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Old 10th Dec 2006, 22:55
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Whatever they promised was then... They can argue [they not me!] that if they are making a profit and NOT serving the regions s/h and not serving from the regions to l/h - why should they try and do it?

Look at just two of the other major corporations of long standing, Ford and Daimler Chrysler - they have grown and grown and are having problems. Look at the airlines that have grown by acquisition and do local, regional, medium and long - are they comfortable? I don't think so.

BA looked at the big tie-ups with AA, Sabena, KLM and others but none worked out. Not just because airlines remain in the politicians minds as 'ours' but all the international regs on routes are formed on the basis of countries. My guess is that they decided that getting bigger was problematical and they would head, quietly, in the opposite direction. They can sell off whole chunks and, when some a/c are reaching a typical replacement point - just withdraw from a route instead.

For the shareholders it makes sense and that is the responsibility of the board. I expect that they will pull this off and I give them credit for it because everyone else is still trying to grow - look at poor old Mike at BD, still desperate after all these years. BA are the only ones trying to shrink and I am waiting to see how long it takes AA and the others to follow. (No, I am not a shareholder or employee - past or present - of any airline).
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Old 11th Dec 2006, 09:35
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jongeman,ba do not fly to Ekaterinburg or Almaty,these routes are operated by Bmed!
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Old 11th Dec 2006, 09:52
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Anyone else hearing rumours about some more long-haul shifts between LHR and LGW?

Latest one is that the daily LGW-Barbados will move to LHR (leaving LGW with the limited services Barbados-Port of Spain introduced after the deal with BWIA/Caribbean) and that a daily LHR-JFK will move to LGW.
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Old 11th Dec 2006, 21:07
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Semantics!

these routes are operated by Bmed!
As a franchisee of BA. Flights carry BA numbers and are booked through BA
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Old 13th Dec 2006, 16:32
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Just got an email from the BA Executive Club which began:

"Our vision for London Heathrow Terminal 5 is to create the best possible airport experience before you fly. With this in mind we have announced a new simpler checked and excess baggage policy, which will come into effect on 13 February 2007"

and then went on to explain the new baggage policy (max weight per bag = 23kg, fees for excess baggage, 20% discount for online pre-pay)

What I'm wondering is... what does the new baggage policy have to do with T5...?

and what's the vision for London Gatwick....? or does that vision involve a trip up the A23 and round the M25 ?

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Old 14th Dec 2006, 00:53
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
Anyone else hearing rumours about some more long-haul shifts between LHR and LGW?
Latest one is that the daily LGW-Barbados will move to LHR (leaving LGW with the limited services Barbados-Port of Spain introduced after the deal with BWIA/Caribbean) and that a daily LHR-JFK will move to LGW.
That last one is probably to make way for the thru-route via MAN when the FlyBe/BACON fiasco is sorted.
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Old 14th Dec 2006, 19:34
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LGW - BGI is not moving to LHR !

Regarding the MAN - JFK , the only way it will come to LGW Crew is if it changes to a 777 !

But you never know!!
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Old 19th Dec 2006, 18:20
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Because the biggest screwup in a new terminal is usually baggage so the fewer they have by discouraging pax from bringing them, the fewer they can lose. Trebles all round!

Just another day in Willie Walsh's epic, "Ryanairise a full service airline - the sequel"
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 15:28
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BA Aircraft

It's common knowledge that we have 10 777-300's on order and that this will be officially announced when the pension deal is complete.

Sources in Washington State tell us that the first airframe is complete and awaiting it's paint job in BA colours.

Would some kind soul please look out of the window at Paine Field or King Co and see if the rumour is true?

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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 15:37
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All the 777 frames up to a first flight in April 2007 at least are fully accounted for (the later ones here will not have begun final assembly yet) and no there's not one for BA.

It's not like Hollywood movies portray it. BA is a public company and the introduction of a new type involves a tremendous amount of preparation which will be well known. If announced today you might get something delivered in 2008 .....
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 15:53
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If it's "awaiting" a paint job in BA colours, how will anyone who's looking out of their window be able to tell?!
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 15:55
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SIA is stealing all the 773s, 3 in the last month have left PAE for SIN direct, rather them than me!
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 15:59
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Isn't it the case that BA have only secured options for 10 Boeing 777's which can be converted to B787's, for delivery 2009 / 10, providing that the B777 is included in the selected types for fleet renewal?.

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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 16:24
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To quote BA commercial director in Flight this week...

'We have already reserved 10 777-200ER production slots from 2009, but these bridging deliveries will only be confirmed if the 777-300ER/787 package is confirmed. If we go with Airbus then the A330 will be the bridge to the A350...'
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 16:46
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If it's "awaiting" a paint job in BA colours, how will anyone who's looking out of their window be able to tell?!
Because the rumour said it was the only one parked outside in primer.

Now comprehensively quashed by those "in the know"

Thanks guys.
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 17:09
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Unless Boeing has broken with tradition, the Rudder is painted first (something to do with balance), then installed whilst still on the production line, then wheeled in for the paint job.

Perhaps i'm mistaken???
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 17:14
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They still do that, but if the aircraft doesn't have a buyer (or they wanted to keep it quiet ) they could easily produce a "white tail" aircraft then paint it later.
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 18:28
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A south Asian carrier will be getting quite a few 300ERs in the near future
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 18:33
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I think that the T&C forum (or indeed this one!) would have been abuzz if BA had somehow sneaked a few quid out of the biscuit tin and been down the Seattle toy shop.

The 777-300ER would mean some activity on the payscales front after all, as it would be effectively a new fleet type capacity-wise.

Naturally other places have taken BA booking those options to be a sign that WW is about to lash out on a hundred GE powered 777 and 787 frames, with a side of 748. Sheesh...it is what it is, a placeholder as there is a decent backlog on the 777 line and BA want their delivery options at their timescale and not have to sit in the queue.
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Old 3rd Jan 2007, 18:34
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All production for the first 6 months of 2007 at least is completely detailed and known.

Boeing just delivered 777 number 600 a couple of weeks ago, and are turning out around 5 a month. There are no other undelivered aircraft at Boeing. Here's what is coming, and the sequence, in the first half of 2007 then.

(Line number, order number, reg, airline)

600 34569 9V-SWD Singapore AL
601 33778 AP-BHV PIA
602 34570 9V-SWE Singapore AL
603 34571 9V-SWF Singapore AL
604 34572 9V-SWG Singapore AL
605 34379 ZK-OKH Air New Zealand
606 32651 JA778A All Nippon
607 35960 OE-LPD Austrian
608 32962 F-GSQS Air France
609 35295 PH-BQO KLM
610 36300 VT-ALA Air India
611 33779 AP-BHW PIA
612 33750 B-16706 Eva
613 35296 AP-BHX PIA
614 36124 5Y-KYZ Kenya AW
615 34573 9V-SWH Singapore AL
616 32846 F-GSQT Air France
617 35547 N77019 Continental
618 34574 9V-SWI Singapore AL
619 32729 A6-EBX Emirates
620 35256 C-FITL Air Canada
621 36301 VT-ALB Air India
622 33864 A6-EBY Emirates
623 34575 9V-SWJ Singapore AL
624 32847 F-GSQU Air France
625 31687 N69020 Continental
626 35254 C-FITU Air Canada
627 35157 VT-JEA Jet AW
628 32713 A6-EBZ Emirates
629 36302 VT-ALC Air India
630 32721 PH-BQP KLM
631 34894 JA779A All Nippon
632 32794 A6-ECA Emirates
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