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All production for the first 6 months of 2007 at least is completely detailed and known.
Boeing just delivered 777 number 600 a couple of weeks ago, and are turning out around 5 a month. There are no other undelivered aircraft at Boeing. Here's what is coming, and the sequence, in the first half of 2007 then.
(Line number, order number, reg, airline)
600 34569 9V-SWD Singapore AL
601 33778 AP-BHV PIA
602 34570 9V-SWE Singapore AL
603 34571 9V-SWF Singapore AL
604 34572 9V-SWG Singapore AL
605 34379 ZK-OKH Air New Zealand
606 32651 JA778A All Nippon
607 35960 OE-LPD Austrian
608 32962 F-GSQS Air France
609 35295 PH-BQO KLM
610 36300 VT-ALA Air India
611 33779 AP-BHW PIA
612 33750 B-16706 Eva
613 35296 AP-BHX PIA
614 36124 5Y-KYZ Kenya AW
615 34573 9V-SWH Singapore AL
616 32846 F-GSQT Air France
617 35547 N77019 Continental
618 34574 9V-SWI Singapore AL
619 32729 A6-EBX Emirates
620 35256 C-FITL Air Canada
621 36301 VT-ALB Air India
622 33864 A6-EBY Emirates
623 34575 9V-SWJ Singapore AL
624 32847 F-GSQU Air France
625 31687 N69020 Continental
626 35254 C-FITU Air Canada
627 35157 VT-JEA Jet AW
628 32713 A6-EBZ Emirates
629 36302 VT-ALC Air India
630 32721 PH-BQP KLM
631 34894 JA779A All Nippon
632 32794 A6-ECA Emirates
Boeing just delivered 777 number 600 a couple of weeks ago, and are turning out around 5 a month. There are no other undelivered aircraft at Boeing. Here's what is coming, and the sequence, in the first half of 2007 then.
(Line number, order number, reg, airline)
600 34569 9V-SWD Singapore AL
601 33778 AP-BHV PIA
602 34570 9V-SWE Singapore AL
603 34571 9V-SWF Singapore AL
604 34572 9V-SWG Singapore AL
605 34379 ZK-OKH Air New Zealand
606 32651 JA778A All Nippon
607 35960 OE-LPD Austrian
608 32962 F-GSQS Air France
609 35295 PH-BQO KLM
610 36300 VT-ALA Air India
611 33779 AP-BHW PIA
612 33750 B-16706 Eva
613 35296 AP-BHX PIA
614 36124 5Y-KYZ Kenya AW
615 34573 9V-SWH Singapore AL
616 32846 F-GSQT Air France
617 35547 N77019 Continental
618 34574 9V-SWI Singapore AL
619 32729 A6-EBX Emirates
620 35256 C-FITL Air Canada
621 36301 VT-ALB Air India
622 33864 A6-EBY Emirates
623 34575 9V-SWJ Singapore AL
624 32847 F-GSQU Air France
625 31687 N69020 Continental
626 35254 C-FITU Air Canada
627 35157 VT-JEA Jet AW
628 32713 A6-EBZ Emirates
629 36302 VT-ALC Air India
630 32721 PH-BQP KLM
631 34894 JA779A All Nippon
632 32794 A6-ECA Emirates
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What do you mean by your comment:
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What do you mean by your comment:
The 777-300ER would mean some activity on the payscales front after all, as it would be effectively a new fleet type capacity-wise.
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Get real for heavens sake. BA taking on new aircraft? Dream on. BA must sort out the quality of their service (both in the air and on the ground) before they start even thinking about new aircraft. WW should look at how they are running in T1 and T4 which are disaster areas before looking at new planes cos if the service keeps on goinfg down who will they get to fill the new planes???
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T1 and T4 is mostly of BAA's doing with a little T5 "adjustments" causing some grief at the moment.
No problem though with the amount of pax and money flooding in at the moment. More than enough demand to fill some new aircraft.
No problem though with the amount of pax and money flooding in at the moment. More than enough demand to fill some new aircraft.
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Fargoo, while BAA are responsible for some problems at Heathrow, BA aren't absolved of all blame either.
Availability of tug crews before 0700 local in T4, availability of dispatchers (or whatever they're called now - I believe the name has changed) to turn on stand guidance etc etc. Even if it's a PAN medical emergency and there's been an hour's notice!
Availability of tug crews before 0700 local in T4, availability of dispatchers (or whatever they're called now - I believe the name has changed) to turn on stand guidance etc etc. Even if it's a PAN medical emergency and there's been an hour's notice!
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Heard an interesting rumour that some of the problems with the bags were caused by the loaders Sabotaging the baggage belts!
Something about not being happy with the new working practises.
I would be very interested to see the next summer and winter timetables to see if they say 773! Especially with the 777 getting Bangkok and Hong Kong.
But I'm more interested in where the bunks are going when they do come!
Something about not being happy with the new working practises.
I would be very interested to see the next summer and winter timetables to see if they say 773! Especially with the 777 getting Bangkok and Hong Kong.
But I'm more interested in where the bunks are going when they do come!
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Does BA's Fleet plans include the A380
Hi All,
Not sure if this has been brought up before, but...
Terminal 5 is ( I believe) the only Terminal at Heathrow with the required infrastructure to handle the A380.
I beleive that BA will have the entire terminal, and this has always been the case, bearing in mind, how long ago the Terminal and aircraft were designed, does this mean that BA had ALWAYS intended to buy the 380?
Not sure if this has been brought up before, but...
Terminal 5 is ( I believe) the only Terminal at Heathrow with the required infrastructure to handle the A380.
I beleive that BA will have the entire terminal, and this has always been the case, bearing in mind, how long ago the Terminal and aircraft were designed, does this mean that BA had ALWAYS intended to buy the 380?
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I work for BAA and I would agree with some of your anti BAA posts but this one............is so incorrect it makes me chuckle.
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"Get ready to eat your words"
I agree!
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BA and A380
Willie Walsh has said that he is very certainly interested in A380. He says the project is excellent, from an economic and opertaional point of view he is very keen.
No doubt he has a long relationship with Airbus from Aer Lingus, and BA are a serious Airbus customer. Nonetheless, Willie Walsh will not give either Boeing or Airbus any comfort publicly until he secures the deal he and BA want!
Personally as a Beoing follower I would love to see BA keep the long haul fleet Boeing. Most of the short haul fleet is now airbus! I wonder will BA look at the 318 for the London City operation instead of the Avrojets?? I can see Airbus pushing the issue to drive 318 sales???
No doubt he has a long relationship with Airbus from Aer Lingus, and BA are a serious Airbus customer. Nonetheless, Willie Walsh will not give either Boeing or Airbus any comfort publicly until he secures the deal he and BA want!
Personally as a Beoing follower I would love to see BA keep the long haul fleet Boeing. Most of the short haul fleet is now airbus! I wonder will BA look at the 318 for the London City operation instead of the Avrojets?? I can see Airbus pushing the issue to drive 318 sales???
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I think this order is only going to be for widebodies and it will be a case of A380s/A350s -v- 748s/773ERs/787s. As you point out, BA is going to drive an extremely hard bargain.
Whether or not there will be any replacements for the RJ100s (which were not included in the Flybe contract), depends on how routes out of LCY do. Even then, the A318 might not be the ideal choice.
Personally, I see BA retreating to be a Heathrow based airline over the next few years, even leaving LGW - with limited service being operated by GB Airways.
Whether or not there will be any replacements for the RJ100s (which were not included in the Flybe contract), depends on how routes out of LCY do. Even then, the A318 might not be the ideal choice.
Personally, I see BA retreating to be a Heathrow based airline over the next few years, even leaving LGW - with limited service being operated by GB Airways.
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BA/LHR predictions for 2007
Some seasonal fun then:
1. BA Pension scheme changes agreed by end January with staff groups being balloted for acceptance in early February
2. Cabin Crew will vote about 80:20 in support of strike action, when the day comes they will go sick rather than strike as in 1997. BASSA will end up making major compromises and be on the defensive for years.
3. BA will announce an order for LH replacement aircraft featuring Boeing taking back about 25 of the oldest 747-400's and the 767 fleet in exchange for about 35 777-300's and 20 787's (in addition to firming up the 10 777 options), resulting in about a 15-20% growth in the longhaul fleet timed to coincide with the T5 move. This will result in a LH fleet of about 32x747, 85x777 and 20x787. The LH expansion will be generated by reducing SH frequencies and an element of slot acquisition and mixed mode efficiencies.
4. The tower move will be completed without hitch in February.
5. BA/BAA will continue to deliver poor terminal services resulting in disruption to pax over Easter weekend when a snowflake falls in Berkshire.
1. BA Pension scheme changes agreed by end January with staff groups being balloted for acceptance in early February
2. Cabin Crew will vote about 80:20 in support of strike action, when the day comes they will go sick rather than strike as in 1997. BASSA will end up making major compromises and be on the defensive for years.
3. BA will announce an order for LH replacement aircraft featuring Boeing taking back about 25 of the oldest 747-400's and the 767 fleet in exchange for about 35 777-300's and 20 787's (in addition to firming up the 10 777 options), resulting in about a 15-20% growth in the longhaul fleet timed to coincide with the T5 move. This will result in a LH fleet of about 32x747, 85x777 and 20x787. The LH expansion will be generated by reducing SH frequencies and an element of slot acquisition and mixed mode efficiencies.
4. The tower move will be completed without hitch in February.
5. BA/BAA will continue to deliver poor terminal services resulting in disruption to pax over Easter weekend when a snowflake falls in Berkshire.
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Resulting in the entire internal/domestic BA service suffering it's 'twice annual' suspension stranding thousands of passengers days before a national holiday - and that's without even looking in my crystal ball! BA will make a press release saying that 'it will all be good when we move to T5'
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The lost baggage mountain will create a new topographicological feature on all London charts when it is covered with a layer of polythene and 20' of earth and turned into a new parkland area with a Union flag fluttering on top. Once it is realised it is a good terrorist aiming point, it will be closed to the public. Anybody digging to try and locate their bag will be arrested for vandalism.
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British Airways (BA) has begun evaluating responses from suppliers to its request for proposals (RFP) for upward of 50 widebody aircraft to replace its Boeing 767s and older 747-400s.
The airline issued the RFP to Airbus and Boeing and the engine manufacturers in October, and the responses were all due back by the end of December, says BA commercial director Robert Boyle. "We're analysing the responses and preparing to begin the first round of negotiations," he says.
A final decision on the order is expected in 2007 to enable the first deliveries of "bridging aircraft" in early 2009, adds Boyle.
Speaking to ATI sister publication Flight International during the launch of BA's London-Calgary service last month, Boyle said the airline's core requirement totals 40-50 aircraft plus options. The requirement includes 34 aircraft to replace its 20 oldest Boeing 747-400s and its 14 767-300ERs as well as 10 bridging aircraft and units to cover the airline's growth requirements.
The Airbus A330 and Boeing 777-200ER are in contention for the short-term bridging requirement for delivery from 2009, ahead of the main fleet expansion package, which will comprise either the A350 or the 777-300ER and 787-9/10 for the twinjet requirement and the A380 or 747-8 for the large-aircraft requirement. Boyle says the A340-600 was excluded because BA is looking to the A350-1000 for its requirements in this size category from Airbus.
"We have already reserved 10 777-200ER production slots from 2009," says Boyle, but these bridging deliveries will be confirmed only if the Boeing 777-300ER/787 package is selected. "If we go with Airbus, then the A330 will be the bridge to the A350."
For the 747 replacement, Boyle says deliveries would be in the 2011 to 2013/14 timeframe and it is "extremely unlikely" BA will split the initial 747-400 replacement deal between the A380 and 747-8. "But it might be different for the next batch," he adds, implying the airline could ultimately acquire a mix of both ultra-large types to replace its entire 747-400 fleet.
Boyle acknowledges that the recent Lufthansa 747-8 order improves the prospects for Boeing because "BA doesn't usually like to be the first customer". He says the recent delays that have blighted the A380 programme do not concern him, but they "make it likely that we'll get a better deal out of Airbus
The airline issued the RFP to Airbus and Boeing and the engine manufacturers in October, and the responses were all due back by the end of December, says BA commercial director Robert Boyle. "We're analysing the responses and preparing to begin the first round of negotiations," he says.
A final decision on the order is expected in 2007 to enable the first deliveries of "bridging aircraft" in early 2009, adds Boyle.
Speaking to ATI sister publication Flight International during the launch of BA's London-Calgary service last month, Boyle said the airline's core requirement totals 40-50 aircraft plus options. The requirement includes 34 aircraft to replace its 20 oldest Boeing 747-400s and its 14 767-300ERs as well as 10 bridging aircraft and units to cover the airline's growth requirements.
The Airbus A330 and Boeing 777-200ER are in contention for the short-term bridging requirement for delivery from 2009, ahead of the main fleet expansion package, which will comprise either the A350 or the 777-300ER and 787-9/10 for the twinjet requirement and the A380 or 747-8 for the large-aircraft requirement. Boyle says the A340-600 was excluded because BA is looking to the A350-1000 for its requirements in this size category from Airbus.
"We have already reserved 10 777-200ER production slots from 2009," says Boyle, but these bridging deliveries will be confirmed only if the Boeing 777-300ER/787 package is selected. "If we go with Airbus, then the A330 will be the bridge to the A350."
For the 747 replacement, Boyle says deliveries would be in the 2011 to 2013/14 timeframe and it is "extremely unlikely" BA will split the initial 747-400 replacement deal between the A380 and 747-8. "But it might be different for the next batch," he adds, implying the airline could ultimately acquire a mix of both ultra-large types to replace its entire 747-400 fleet.
Boyle acknowledges that the recent Lufthansa 747-8 order improves the prospects for Boeing because "BA doesn't usually like to be the first customer". He says the recent delays that have blighted the A380 programme do not concern him, but they "make it likely that we'll get a better deal out of Airbus
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When i have been at Paine Field, the frames tend to have a sign or banner on them saying which model and airline it will be for once finished, plus you can sometimes tell by the registrations on the fuselage or gear door.
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A318 probably won't do at BA because:
1. With the BACon sale the number of Avros to replace is very small and a larger requirement down the road is unlikely.
2. Even if they did want to go Airbus, an IAE engine is not offered on the 318. CFM56 is, but with the BCal A320s and the remaining 737s likely to leave the fleet in due course it's unlikely BA will want to get new frames with CFMs and certainly not PWs.
1. With the BACon sale the number of Avros to replace is very small and a larger requirement down the road is unlikely.
2. Even if they did want to go Airbus, an IAE engine is not offered on the 318. CFM56 is, but with the BCal A320s and the remaining 737s likely to leave the fleet in due course it's unlikely BA will want to get new frames with CFMs and certainly not PWs.
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