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Heathrow have announced that they will announce proposals to bring forward the benefits on a new runway by 4 years - through these extra 25,000 movements - I imagine we'll hear more about how exactly they plan on creating those extra slots in the coming week as these proposals are published.
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No, you're the one saying that. They haven't mentioned any specifics
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It may not require the use of both runways for the same operation though, that's what I'm saying.
All that we know is that the movement rate would have to increase, and/or or ops would begin earlier and continue later.
One of those is probably less likely to happen than the other.
All that we know is that the movement rate would have to increase, and/or or ops would begin earlier and continue later.
One of those is probably less likely to happen than the other.
I can't really see a proposal to overturn the T5 480,000 ATM planning constraint four years before R3 surviving a challenge in the courts, which could suggest that it's a throwaway negotiating ploy.
The related proposal to "ring-fence" 60% of the additional ATMs (21 daily rotations) for domestic routes, even if it doesn't turn out to be academic (see above), seems unlikely to have airlines rushing to (re)start services to the likes of Norwich, Liverpool, Teesside, IoM, etc.
But when the big prize is getting approval for R3, ancillary promises cost nothing.
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Is not the increase of ATMs a measure to increase revenue. If they can't get it from IAG would this be the solution?
Do we know yet how much the Government is stumping up. It seems odd that 6 months ago the Government were screaming austerity and there was enough pennies for a cake of the tea trolley at PMQS. Now it's spend spend spend!
Do we know yet how much the Government is stumping up. It seems odd that 6 months ago the Government were screaming austerity and there was enough pennies for a cake of the tea trolley at PMQS. Now it's spend spend spend!
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Just reported on Sky.
Apparently there is a train of thought that Heathrow has really shot itself in the foot big style re 3rd runway with the "no compromise from shareholders re Heathrow Hub".
Has gone down like a proverbial lead balloon !
Apparently there is a train of thought that Heathrow has really shot itself in the foot big style re 3rd runway with the "no compromise from shareholders re Heathrow Hub".
Has gone down like a proverbial lead balloon !
If this scheme was implemented, there would be "a train of thought that Heathrow has really shot itself in the foot big style" re. the residents who live under the flightpaths.
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Like wot I posted 6 hours ago, you mean ?
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As a supporter of Heathrow I don't see how you can simply tear up agreements re times of operation, mixed mode etc on a whim !
We will be heading for real public disorder here if we are not careful!
Meanwhile those pesky Northerners are getting peeved off as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_tw
We will be heading for real public disorder here if we are not careful!
Meanwhile those pesky Northerners are getting peeved off as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_tw
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Manchester airport is the third-biggest in the UK and the only hub, other than Heathrow, with two runways. Twenty five million passengers travel through Manchester airport every year but it has the capacity to carry 55 million
Navpi - you need to read the press release again. The added flights are an option and would be introduced after planning approval following extensive consultation. The Government doesn't have to agree to it.
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Seeming as Heathrow will be applying to increase the flight cap anyway to 720,000 to make use of the third runway, why would "asking" for 25,000 extra flights to be allowed from 2021 be a problem?
Both Manchester and Birmingham airports have recently been putting out claims about how expansion in the SE (particularly at Heathrow) would harm their business. Birmingham seriously seems to fear losing flights to Heathrow if they get the third runway. If the only way these airports can secure flights is by constraining other airports, is there really a demand for them at those airports?
Both Manchester and Birmingham airports have recently been putting out claims about how expansion in the SE (particularly at Heathrow) would harm their business. Birmingham seriously seems to fear losing flights to Heathrow if they get the third runway. If the only way these airports can secure flights is by constraining other airports, is there really a demand for them at those airports?
It is over a year since the planning inspector finished public comments on the use of the northern runway for departure's. No doubt the decision is parked until the "announcement". If given the go ahead will this allow part of the 25,000 extra ATMs to be available?
No, making alternation on easterlies possible doesn't make any difference to runway capacity (otherwise we'd see big delays building up every day the wind was from the east).
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trying to keep the Tory Conference quiet??
Heathrow runway decision to be made 'shortly' - BBC News
A decision over where to site a new runway in the south east of England will be taken "shortly", Transport Secretary Chris Grayling has said.
Mr Grayling said he has spent the summer looking at the plans.
"They're all very well crafted proposals, they're all very interesting, they've all got great potential. We need to decide which is best for Britain," Mr Grayling told the BBC.
"You will get an announcement shortly. We haven't taken the decision yet," he said.
The transport secretary also refused to rule out granting a free vote to Conservative MPs on the issue of airport expansion, saying "decisions about parliamentary handling… have not yet been taken".
Heathrow runway decision to be made 'shortly' - BBC News
A decision over where to site a new runway in the south east of England will be taken "shortly", Transport Secretary Chris Grayling has said.
Mr Grayling said he has spent the summer looking at the plans.
"They're all very well crafted proposals, they're all very interesting, they've all got great potential. We need to decide which is best for Britain," Mr Grayling told the BBC.
"You will get an announcement shortly. We haven't taken the decision yet," he said.
The transport secretary also refused to rule out granting a free vote to Conservative MPs on the issue of airport expansion, saying "decisions about parliamentary handling… have not yet been taken".
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Just out of curiosity as Heathrow is owned by shareholders is there anything to stop them selling up as soon as they get a Yes decision?
The railways at least have lock in for multiple years so how will this work with airport policy?
The airport could in effect have numerous different owners between now and opening date.
How will the Government protect any of there own investment in supporting infrastructure if the ownership keeps changing ?
The railways at least have lock in for multiple years so how will this work with airport policy?
The airport could in effect have numerous different owners between now and opening date.
How will the Government protect any of there own investment in supporting infrastructure if the ownership keeps changing ?
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Well finally they have realised that a project which will become operational around 2030 needs to use vehicle pollution data based, not on today's levels but those predicted to be around at that time.
We may be getting somewhere.
We may be getting somewhere.
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Just out of curiosity as Heathrow is owned by shareholders is there anything to stop them selling up as soon as they get a Yes decision?
The railways at least have lock in for multiple years so how will this work with airport policy?
The airport could in effect have numerous different owners between now and opening date.
How will the Government protect any of there own investment in supporting infrastructure if the ownership keeps changing ?
The railways at least have lock in for multiple years so how will this work with airport policy?
The airport could in effect have numerous different owners between now and opening date.
How will the Government protect any of there own investment in supporting infrastructure if the ownership keeps changing ?
Did we miss it?
This time last week we were being told by Heathrow:
Heathrow - Heathrow?s Brexit Boost to help make Britain stronger and fairer - faster
Did anyone witness this launch? Did we learn anything new?
The benefits of Heathrow expansion could be delivered four years early, giving the British economy a £1.5bn ‘Brexit boost’ whilst a third runway is built, according to new proposals to be launched on the first day of the upcoming Conservative Party Conference
Did anyone witness this launch? Did we learn anything new?
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Heathrow is owned by who. ..��
My goodness I could be exchanging comments with an MP.
Who on earth are the BAA?
And as for C02 emissions!
Well to be honest it's hardly worth having a meaningful discussion if you have no clue about ownership ......
but basing emissions on what "might" happen in 30 years rather than now is really just bunkum.
Not sure even the most ardent supporter of Heathrow (me included) would believe the Your Heathrow propaganda machine. They have been done 4 times by the ASA this year. That is some going and I hate to say it all a bit desperate.
My goodness I could be exchanging comments with an MP.
Who on earth are the BAA?
And as for C02 emissions!
Well to be honest it's hardly worth having a meaningful discussion if you have no clue about ownership ......
but basing emissions on what "might" happen in 30 years rather than now is really just bunkum.
Not sure even the most ardent supporter of Heathrow (me included) would believe the Your Heathrow propaganda machine. They have been done 4 times by the ASA this year. That is some going and I hate to say it all a bit desperate.
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Well to be honest it's hardly worth having a meaningful discussion if you have no clue about ownership ......
but basing emissions on what "might" happen in 30 years rather than now is really just bunkum.
but basing emissions on what "might" happen in 30 years rather than now is really just bunkum.
So you believe that 15 years will not see further increases in electric vehicle technology and even lower emissions?
And you say I am not worth having a meaningful discussion with?