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I was born upon the banks of the river, in a hospital I hasten to add, in Hampton Court in the borough of Twickenham.
Does this mean I can call myself "Phileas Fogg Upon Thames"?
Does this mean I can call myself "Phileas Fogg Upon Thames"?
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Was there any need to name T2 after the Queen?
Perhaps they felt that she didn't have quite enough things named after her already, especially in London (hell, they even named the Olympic Park after her even though she looked miserable as sin at her night out to the opening ceremony).
Or maybe it was the only way Heathrow Airport LTD were able to get the Palace to let her out to open the new terminal next year?
Anyway, a total waste of time, effort and money. Nothing wrong with plain old "Terminal 2" which is what 99.9% of people will refer to it as anyway. In fact if anyone does refer to it as "Queen's Terminal" I am in half a mind to deliberately pretend I have no idea what they are on about. I may even direct them to the Royal Suite!
On the subject of Staines...One friend of mine just asked on facebook where exactly Staines-Upon-Thames was...she has known it was Staines her whole life and was asked to go to SUT for something but wasn't sure if it was the same place.
Perhaps they felt that she didn't have quite enough things named after her already, especially in London (hell, they even named the Olympic Park after her even though she looked miserable as sin at her night out to the opening ceremony).
Or maybe it was the only way Heathrow Airport LTD were able to get the Palace to let her out to open the new terminal next year?
Anyway, a total waste of time, effort and money. Nothing wrong with plain old "Terminal 2" which is what 99.9% of people will refer to it as anyway. In fact if anyone does refer to it as "Queen's Terminal" I am in half a mind to deliberately pretend I have no idea what they are on about. I may even direct them to the Royal Suite!
On the subject of Staines...One friend of mine just asked on facebook where exactly Staines-Upon-Thames was...she has known it was Staines her whole life and was asked to go to SUT for something but wasn't sure if it was the same place.
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One friend of mine just asked on facebook where exactly Staines-Upon-Thames was...she has known it was Staines her whole life and was asked to go to SUT for something but wasn't sure if it was the same place.
That is still the official name of the town, but the railway station, part of Gawd's original Wonderful Railway has always (to my knowledge) just been Leamington Spa, and ROYAL Mail also don't use one's royal prefix.
I just worry that instead of having to double check something on Google maps, this terminal confusion is going to lead to a whole load of missed flights. What about the tube maps? Will they just say "Heathrow Central" or Heathrow Queen's Central"?
I just hope we don't have to resort to royal terminology, because T2 might then just become "One's Two".
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The Tube maps at the moment say " Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3" and then "Heathrow Terminal 4" and "Heathrow Terminal 5". So even though T2 is not open right now, they never took it off the maps.
I would imagine it'll just stay that way. "Heathrow Central" is a term, as far as I am aware, that is only applied to the bus station at T123.
I would imagine it'll just stay that way. "Heathrow Central" is a term, as far as I am aware, that is only applied to the bus station at T123.
The acid test will be when the GDSs and Star Alliance carriers start to compile schedules for flights to/from the new terminal - which may already have happened as it's less than a year now until it opens.
IATA defines 1-2 character alphanumeric codes to denote terminals (where an airport has more than one), so "QT" or "Q" could legitimately be used, or alternatively just "2" to be consistent with the other LHR terminals.
Given that the official announcement talks about "Terminal 2: The Queen's Terminal", my money is on the status quo.
IATA defines 1-2 character alphanumeric codes to denote terminals (where an airport has more than one), so "QT" or "Q" could legitimately be used, or alternatively just "2" to be consistent with the other LHR terminals.
Given that the official announcement talks about "Terminal 2: The Queen's Terminal", my money is on the status quo.
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The queen is 87 years old. T2 presumably has a design life well beyond 30 years ago. Is it really a good idea to overly emphasise the name of the terminal after Liz rather than a number ?
Is it really a good idea to overly emphasise the name of the terminal after Liz rather than a number ?
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Quote: "I was born upon the banks of the river, in a hospital I hasten to add, in Hampton Court in the borough of Twickenham."
Sounds like St Mary's Cottage Hospital, now closed down of course.
Quote: "Does this mean I can call myself "Phileas Fogg Upon Thames"?
Maybe, but does it also mean that the borough of Twickenham can be Twickenham Upon Thames?
Quote: "On the subject of Staines...One friend of mine just asked on facebook where exactly Staines-Upon-Thames was...she has known it was Staines her whole life and was asked to go to SUT for something but wasn't sure if it was the same place."
It's a place best avoided. If they want to "posh it up", how about calling it "Ashford West". What a waste of public money!
Quote: "Or Haymarket Station (there are others) with Platform 0?"
London-King's Cross comes to mind. Probably to avoid having to renumber all platforms. Should have been "1A" in both cases.
At Twickenham, there's only platforms 3, 4 and 5. Again, it's to avoid having to renumber all the platforms.
Sounds like St Mary's Cottage Hospital, now closed down of course.
Quote: "Does this mean I can call myself "Phileas Fogg Upon Thames"?
Maybe, but does it also mean that the borough of Twickenham can be Twickenham Upon Thames?
Quote: "On the subject of Staines...One friend of mine just asked on facebook where exactly Staines-Upon-Thames was...she has known it was Staines her whole life and was asked to go to SUT for something but wasn't sure if it was the same place."
It's a place best avoided. If they want to "posh it up", how about calling it "Ashford West". What a waste of public money!
Quote: "Or Haymarket Station (there are others) with Platform 0?"
London-King's Cross comes to mind. Probably to avoid having to renumber all platforms. Should have been "1A" in both cases.
At Twickenham, there's only platforms 3, 4 and 5. Again, it's to avoid having to renumber all the platforms.
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London-King's Cross comes to mind.
And there's a permanent location for Platform 9 3/4 too:
http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/global/ne..._march2012.pdf
Now anyone want to have ago at explaining the logic behind the (otherwise very orderly, naturally) Zurich HB? 26 platforms, but the numbers go to 51...
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Not 51 jabird, it's 54.
Official platform count is 26, including the lower levels, and suggesting the new tunnel will take #s 31-34.
At least it does start at 1 - and after all, hotels usually number 1xx, 2xx according to the floor, not a direct sequence, so it isn't entirely illogical.
Heathrow to finalise case for third runway
The FT is reporting that Heathrow plans to propose to the Airports Commission next month building a third runway ASAP, followed by a fourth after an unspecified interval.
No surprises there, of course, but interestingly it suggests that Heathrow is still considering whether to outline more than one option for the location of R3 in its submission to Davies.
No surprises there, of course, but interestingly it suggests that Heathrow is still considering whether to outline more than one option for the location of R3 in its submission to Davies.
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interestingly it suggests that Heathrow is still considering whether to outline more than one option for the location of R3 in its submission to Davies.
Now that vehicle emission factors have changed following the findings that the new Euro standards are not delivering real world improvements for diesel engines, the modelled exceedances of the air quality limits for 2015 are now much, much worse than they were anticipated to be in the modelling that accompanied the previous third runway consultation in 2008.
What were narrow yellow bands over the 40ug/m3 annual limit (Fig 10.15 2015SM predicted total NO2 concentrations around Heathrow in the CERC : Air Quality Studies for Heathrow - November 2007) are now wide swathes and extend much further (e.g. down the A30 to Staines) in Fig 7.8 Annual Mean NO2 Ground level concentration (All emission sources) 2015 baseline - February 2013 in the documents submitted to Hillingdon).
Accordingly, they would need to be very creative to get a third runway in the Sipson area between the M4 and A4. It may be much easier to get something to the southwest of the airport......
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new Euro standards are not delivering real world improvements for diesel engines
Whilst it has always been acknowledged by many that it is the traffic around airports, rather than the airports themselves which is the biggest cause of (local) pollution, the long term trend should still be downwards.
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It may come down over time - but progress is pretty glacial currently.
Incentives are all pushing for increasing diesel penetration of the fleet (good for CO2 emissions) but appalling for urban air quality. At some stage the authorities will be forced to act to protect health and the regimes will change. If you want a car mainly for town driving, I wouldn't buy a diesel.
A lot of hope had been invested in successively tighter Euro standards reining in emissions resulting in lower pollution levels. In practice the test cycles were not good indicators of the ways that cars were used on the road, The recent remote sensing report on thousands of measurements taken in Ealing and the City of London last summer is fascinating.
http://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/reports/c...port_Final.pdf
Of course, Heathrow could help to improve matters by choosing to ban some or all of cars/diesel cars/ diesel buses/taxis from its premises and ensure workers/passengers rely on clean public transport. It would be interesting to see if this would give sufficient headroom for a third runway at Sipson.
Incentives are all pushing for increasing diesel penetration of the fleet (good for CO2 emissions) but appalling for urban air quality. At some stage the authorities will be forced to act to protect health and the regimes will change. If you want a car mainly for town driving, I wouldn't buy a diesel.
A lot of hope had been invested in successively tighter Euro standards reining in emissions resulting in lower pollution levels. In practice the test cycles were not good indicators of the ways that cars were used on the road, The recent remote sensing report on thousands of measurements taken in Ealing and the City of London last summer is fascinating.
http://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/reports/c...port_Final.pdf
Of course, Heathrow could help to improve matters by choosing to ban some or all of cars/diesel cars/ diesel buses/taxis from its premises and ensure workers/passengers rely on clean public transport. It would be interesting to see if this would give sufficient headroom for a third runway at Sipson.
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Of course, Heathrow could help to improve matters by choosing to ban some or all of cars/diesel cars/ diesel buses/taxis
The simple fact is that if there's going to be any chance of a 3rd runway at LHR, it has to come with some extremely tight air quality regulations. The airport cannot dictate to people that drive past it what sort of vehicles they use, but it can provide money, essentially through the largest Section 106 (planning bribe) agreement in history, to improve local transport.
The key to this is a good working relationship with TfL. Sadly, through being at the beck and call of Boris Jonhson, they remain wedded to the Fantasy Island project, and have recently sent reps round on an humiliating national tour to see this scheme.
The means are there to make it happen, and central London is already leading the way in terms of emissions zones and providing the cycle infrastructure. This is the only way a 3rd runway can happen, and it is going to take a serious rethink about how London's suburbs are ordered.
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Quote: "No surprises there, of course, but interestingly it suggests that Heathrow is still considering whether to outline more than one option for the location of R3 in its submission to Davies."
Would expect nothing less!
Quote: "Accordingly, they would need to be very creative to get a third runway in the Sipson area between the M4 and A4. It may be much easier to get something to the southwest of the airport......"
South west of the airport will not be easy, many more houses to be demolished than at Sipson which is already blighted. West of Sipson may be the answer, crossing the M25.
Quote: "Of course, Heathrow could help to improve matters by choosing to ban some or all of cars/diesel cars/ diesel buses/taxis from its premises and ensure workers/passengers rely on clean public transport. It would be interesting to see if this would give sufficient headroom for a third runway at Sipson."
Public transport to/from Heathrow still isn't good enough.
For example, there is no rail access from the west. Which numpty designed airport junction without a chord linking the airport spur to/from the west and who approved this half measure?!
Why is there no rail link between Heathrow-4 and Heathrow-5 so that trains and tubes can call at all three terminal sites in turn?
Why is there no rail link from Heathrow to the southwest mainline at Feltham? (this has been mooted since 1966).
Why are there no direct bus links from Heathrow-5 to the south where many airport workers live?
There is much to be done on the public transport, and it has to be ultra-reliable: people catching flights and going to work must have confidence.
Quote: "I have argued this before re: Heathrow with Lord Adonis, and I've also argued in Jet Blast about the need to encourage more transport that takes the air pollution away all together (walking / cycling) or at least offsets it well out of the city (GW line will be electrified by then / electric buses or buses with flywheels etc."
Interestingly, it is no longer possible to walk/cycle onto the airport. They are banned from the former pedestrian/cyclist tunnels which have been converted for vehicles.
Quote: "The key to this is a good working relationship with TfL. Sadly, through being at the beck and call of Boris Jonhson, they remain wedded to the Fantasy Island project, and have recently sent reps round on an humiliating national tour to see this scheme."
Wouldn't the "planning gain" be between Heathrow and the government as this is infrastructure of national significance? It should be possible to work with all transport providers/operators including TFL. Boris won't be there forever, he apparently has bigger plans.
Would expect nothing less!
Quote: "Accordingly, they would need to be very creative to get a third runway in the Sipson area between the M4 and A4. It may be much easier to get something to the southwest of the airport......"
South west of the airport will not be easy, many more houses to be demolished than at Sipson which is already blighted. West of Sipson may be the answer, crossing the M25.
Quote: "Of course, Heathrow could help to improve matters by choosing to ban some or all of cars/diesel cars/ diesel buses/taxis from its premises and ensure workers/passengers rely on clean public transport. It would be interesting to see if this would give sufficient headroom for a third runway at Sipson."
Public transport to/from Heathrow still isn't good enough.
For example, there is no rail access from the west. Which numpty designed airport junction without a chord linking the airport spur to/from the west and who approved this half measure?!
Why is there no rail link between Heathrow-4 and Heathrow-5 so that trains and tubes can call at all three terminal sites in turn?
Why is there no rail link from Heathrow to the southwest mainline at Feltham? (this has been mooted since 1966).
Why are there no direct bus links from Heathrow-5 to the south where many airport workers live?
There is much to be done on the public transport, and it has to be ultra-reliable: people catching flights and going to work must have confidence.
Quote: "I have argued this before re: Heathrow with Lord Adonis, and I've also argued in Jet Blast about the need to encourage more transport that takes the air pollution away all together (walking / cycling) or at least offsets it well out of the city (GW line will be electrified by then / electric buses or buses with flywheels etc."
Interestingly, it is no longer possible to walk/cycle onto the airport. They are banned from the former pedestrian/cyclist tunnels which have been converted for vehicles.
Quote: "The key to this is a good working relationship with TfL. Sadly, through being at the beck and call of Boris Jonhson, they remain wedded to the Fantasy Island project, and have recently sent reps round on an humiliating national tour to see this scheme."
Wouldn't the "planning gain" be between Heathrow and the government as this is infrastructure of national significance? It should be possible to work with all transport providers/operators including TFL. Boris won't be there forever, he apparently has bigger plans.
Interestingly, it is no longer possible to walk/cycle onto the airport. They are banned from the former pedestrian/cyclist tunnels which have been converted for vehicles.
http://www.heathrowairport.com/stati...Motorcycle.pdf
I believe it's only pedestrians that are banned from the tunnel - they can of course travel free through it on local buses.