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No chance of a year round UI service, its seasonal enough as it is, it doesnt even run the full length of the summer season.
I think only hope os year round LCA service is if FR head that way.
I think only hope os year round LCA service is if FR head that way.
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I think the Air Koryo option is more realistic - DAA take note. This would be a nice site at T2. They could also sell memorabilia near the gate 
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UI did operate year round service DUB-LCA-LXR several years ago, even a weekly flight may just suite the market.
If we adopt the ah sure let ryanair run it we will be in a duopoly in Dublin with only Aer Fungus and MOL screw-u-for-everycent-Airways left. An option that really unless you work for them is not much of an option.
Anyway. have we all registered on the DAA website to be pretend passengers for testing T2, and we all get a DAA goodie bag.
If we adopt the ah sure let ryanair run it we will be in a duopoly in Dublin with only Aer Fungus and MOL screw-u-for-everycent-Airways left. An option that really unless you work for them is not much of an option.
Anyway. have we all registered on the DAA website to be pretend passengers for testing T2, and we all get a DAA goodie bag.
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Is there actually any concrete news regarding "new arrivals", apart from CSA and Cyprus?
I have to say, I would be very dubious. I have seen no confirmation of any kind from even semi legitimate sources. In fact the only people who were certain the Air India/Emirates developments would go ahead were some posters over on Politics.ie.........but some of those guys also told me that Aer Lingus would be using A320s trans-Atlantic to cuts costs
.......And then started to quote wikipedia range figures for the A320 when I told they that wouldn't happen
As an aside, there are some great shots of the interior of T2 here!:
Dublin Airport Terminal 2 U/C (15m) - Page 3 - SkyscraperCity
Looks pretty good! And, even if its an empty white elephant, it will be great to use an airport in Dublin thats not as crowded as Hong Kongs main market!
I have to say, I would be very dubious. I have seen no confirmation of any kind from even semi legitimate sources. In fact the only people who were certain the Air India/Emirates developments would go ahead were some posters over on Politics.ie.........but some of those guys also told me that Aer Lingus would be using A320s trans-Atlantic to cuts costs
.......And then started to quote wikipedia range figures for the A320 when I told they that wouldn't happenAs an aside, there are some great shots of the interior of T2 here!:
Dublin Airport Terminal 2 U/C (15m) - Page 3 - SkyscraperCity
Looks pretty good! And, even if its an empty white elephant, it will be great to use an airport in Dublin thats not as crowded as Hong Kongs main market!
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Originally Posted by thebig C
Is there actually any concrete news regarding "new arrivals", apart from CSA and Cyprus?
I have to say, I would be very dubious. I have seen no confirmation of any kind from even semi legitimate sources. In fact the only people who were certain the Air India/Emirates developments would go ahead were some posters over on Politics.ie.........but some of those guys also told me that Aer Lingus would be using A320s trans-Atlantic to cuts costs
.......And then started to quote wikipedia range figures for the A320 when I told they that wouldn't happen
I have to say, I would be very dubious. I have seen no confirmation of any kind from even semi legitimate sources. In fact the only people who were certain the Air India/Emirates developments would go ahead were some posters over on Politics.ie.........but some of those guys also told me that Aer Lingus would be using A320s trans-Atlantic to cuts costs
.......And then started to quote wikipedia range figures for the A320 when I told they that wouldn't happenLast edited by dublinaviator; 18th Jun 2010 at 19:35.
Todays Irish Times (18th June 2010) carried a story, almost a foot note, that Etihad are to set up their own line maintenance at DUB.
Article has an interesting comment on the view of profit vs load factor.
One more thing - The Irish Times - Fri, Jun 18, 2010
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Article has an interesting comment on the view of profit vs load factor.
One more thing - The Irish Times - Fri, Jun 18, 2010
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Have we all gone onto the daa website and registered to be dummy passengers for the tests of the new terminal. You get a DAA goodie bag.... cant wait, bet its full of good ideas and sugestion cards for what airlines we would like to see using it!!
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Have we all gone onto the daa website and registered to be dummy passengers for the tests of the new terminal. You get a DAA goodie bag.... cant wait, bet its full of good ideas and sugestion cards for what airlines we would like to see using it!!
Or maybe the new novel released by the DAA ''How to begin tourism suicide''Bout time the DAA rang the Gov tld them remove the ATT! then they reduce their charges say by 50% and let the airlines role in (Ryanair
) and they'l soon swing back into profit, once the economy gets behind it!
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Why is it that people on here think the €10 tourist tax is to blame for the downturn in the industry...? 
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Has anybody got tourist visitor numbers to Dublin over the last few years?
Ryanair opened the city to a great many people who would not have thought of visiting it before, including myself. Dublin is a great city, with friendly people and fantastic sights, but very expensive. It's certainly the only place I've bought 'duty free' wine in Britain to take abroad. And this was before the £ collapsed against the €. Ryanair's cheap fares mitigated the other expenses a little.
I suspect a lot of tourists have adopted a 'been there, done that, drunk the Guinness" attitude and sought cheaper destinations since. Aer Lingus is struggling to fill a small plane from Donny, when certainly in the early Ryanair years it was almost full.
I might be wrong, but if anyone's got the tourist figures...
Ryanair opened the city to a great many people who would not have thought of visiting it before, including myself. Dublin is a great city, with friendly people and fantastic sights, but very expensive. It's certainly the only place I've bought 'duty free' wine in Britain to take abroad. And this was before the £ collapsed against the €. Ryanair's cheap fares mitigated the other expenses a little.
I suspect a lot of tourists have adopted a 'been there, done that, drunk the Guinness" attitude and sought cheaper destinations since. Aer Lingus is struggling to fill a small plane from Donny, when certainly in the early Ryanair years it was almost full.
I might be wrong, but if anyone's got the tourist figures...
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Although I agree with you on hidden charges ASFKAP you'll find aviation pays remarkably little tax compared to other sectors of the economy. The Govt 'tourist' tax is very small compared to favorable tax on say aviation fuel, VAT etc. The tourist tax reduces other forms of tax but cannot be blamed for a fall in travelling numbers. In all honesty when any airline reports a fall in PAX numbers occuring what they are really saying is we got our forecasts wrong. But it sounds better if they blame something else.
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Thank you ASFKAP. Those are all the points I wanted to make when I read Kavs8 post. I'd still like to see the tax removed but I don't think it is the complete answer to Ireland's tourism problems.
Were the tax to be removed, I doubt we'd see the Ryanair total charge each sector fall by €10. Perhaps they'd find another way to levy another €5 or €10 charge and then blame their customers travelling habits???
All the best,
P2C.
Were the tax to be removed, I doubt we'd see the Ryanair total charge each sector fall by €10. Perhaps they'd find another way to levy another €5 or €10 charge and then blame their customers travelling habits???
All the best,
P2C.
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According to Tourism Ireland 40% of Irelands inward tourists are from the UK. The US accounts for something like 15% or so. However, the US account for approximately 25% of the total spend in country.
Putting aside the worldwide recession, the Euro has been strong against both the greenback and Sterling over the past 2-3 years. Its only in the past 6 months or so where it has lost ground. The poms are a fickle bunch as well. They are happy to travel when they are getting 2:1 and the like for their money but don't like it much when sterling is weak.
This isn't about a 10 quid tourist charge. Its about currency issues, rip off Ireland, a worldwide recession and the fact that there are better tourist options out there that Ireland has to compete with.
Putting aside the worldwide recession, the Euro has been strong against both the greenback and Sterling over the past 2-3 years. Its only in the past 6 months or so where it has lost ground. The poms are a fickle bunch as well. They are happy to travel when they are getting 2:1 and the like for their money but don't like it much when sterling is weak.
This isn't about a 10 quid tourist charge. Its about currency issues, rip off Ireland, a worldwide recession and the fact that there are better tourist options out there that Ireland has to compete with.
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The €10 charge certainly isn't helping though.
An airline will try to get as much out of a passenger as they are willing to pay for a flight, so in terms of airline revenues that means that they get €10 less per passeneger.
In terms of Aer Lingus, it reduces their profitability by €45 million. Even more for Ryanair, but at least Ryanair have stronger operations outside Ireland.
In terms of effect on passenger numbers, think of it this way. Imagine a route that has been planned to have a breakeven at an average fare of €145 per passenger return with a load of 75%. That route achieves its load and a an average fare of €150 per passenger. It's profitable. Now factor in the €10 tax. If you try to get the average fare up to €160, the load will drop and if that drop is more than 3%, the route loses money. If you charge €150, you get €140 net; the route loses money.
And there are a lot of routes out there that are that marginal.
So, basically, the charge is killing marginal routes.
Not only that, it has a worse effect on inbound tourism rather than outbound. Irish people are generally going to pay up for an overseas holiday and as the charge effects everywhere, they'll pay it. But if you're British, French, German etc., you have a choice of destinations. Many will decide against Ireland.
An airline will try to get as much out of a passenger as they are willing to pay for a flight, so in terms of airline revenues that means that they get €10 less per passeneger.
In terms of Aer Lingus, it reduces their profitability by €45 million. Even more for Ryanair, but at least Ryanair have stronger operations outside Ireland.
In terms of effect on passenger numbers, think of it this way. Imagine a route that has been planned to have a breakeven at an average fare of €145 per passenger return with a load of 75%. That route achieves its load and a an average fare of €150 per passenger. It's profitable. Now factor in the €10 tax. If you try to get the average fare up to €160, the load will drop and if that drop is more than 3%, the route loses money. If you charge €150, you get €140 net; the route loses money.
And there are a lot of routes out there that are that marginal.
So, basically, the charge is killing marginal routes.
Not only that, it has a worse effect on inbound tourism rather than outbound. Irish people are generally going to pay up for an overseas holiday and as the charge effects everywhere, they'll pay it. But if you're British, French, German etc., you have a choice of destinations. Many will decide against Ireland.