DUBLIN

[captainpaddy]

Just looking at DrKevs post.

I too lived in Portmarnock for most of my life. Noise was not an issue and we are talking about the days of BAC 1-11's and 737-200's etc, etc. When the last Ryanair 200 completed it's final flight, the noise problems, of which Portmarnock residents have ranted on about for so long, disappeared.

I can't blame the Portmarnock people for giving out though. Now that the Velvet Strand has more or less washed away, there's not much else to do!!

[DrKev]

Originally Posted by DW11

Maybe they'd be more understanding if they'd lived in Swords or Coolock in the days of Tridents and 1-11's.

Hell, I'd wager that the reverse thrust on the tridents (and 1-11s) was noisier listening FROM Portmarnock than the current aircraft approaching! Sometimes the house would actually rumble and that was, what, 6km away? Of course there is still the odd Tupolev and Ilyushin flying in but that's about as bad as it gets nowadays.

[akerosid]

Just a few points that come to mind:

Positive, you mentioned that there is provision for an extension of the current 10/28; although there's no interest in doing that by the DAA (they'll need to be told to do so), does the fact that it's included in the "plan" mean that the planning process will be quicker, i.e. no EIS? (The likelihood is, of course, that 10/28 will remain at its current length despite the need for new long haul flights/cargo routes.)

The Fingal CC plan provides for a new terminal complex between what will be the two runways; however, current plans call for the Metro to serve the "old" (i.e. current) complex. Hopefully, someone will be done in due course to make sure this happens.

The one thing that the DAA/govt should have learned from the current debacle is that planning needs to be initiated a long time in advance; that the new T2 was revealed as insufficient SIX MONTHS after completion is unacceptable. However, what action has been taken to initiate the tendering process? None, as far as I can see.

[RogerIrrelevant69]

Irish Independent gone a bit mad?

Has the Indo lost the plot or it's marbles (from today's issue):

New routes will add to Dublin Airport chaos

CHAOTIC scenes at Dublin Airport will worsen dramatically with up to 3m extra passengers set to pass through its single terminal next year.

Commuters face further nightmare queues and delays after Ryanair announced 12 new routes from Dublin.

They will begin from December to February. The news comes a day after the Dublin Airport Authority admitted that passengers already face delays until 2009 at the earliest.

Jeez, of the 12 routes anounced 2 are daily and the rest average 3 a week so let's say an average of 7 new flights a day which is just under 1m extra passengers if every seat was sold. Hardly a crisis attributable to Ryanair.

Come on Indo, that's a bit crap.

[fernytickles]

"passengers already face delays until 2009"

Holy smokes, 3 years delay? That must be a record?

[INLAK]

I gave up reading the Indo the day their headline spelt Aer Lingus as "Air Lingus".

[FlyingV]

The Irish Independent is complete and utter tabloid ****e from cover to cover.

[akerosid]

Originally Posted by fernytickles

"passengers already face delays until 2009"
Holy smokes, 3 years delay? That must be a record?

And the worst part of it is that when that new terminal opens up, it will already be too little too late (cliched term, I know); they argue about the precise size of the terminal, but the important fact is that it has only one pier - only side of which can handle widebodies (the net gain of w/b stands being only 2 or 3, because they also lose the Pier C w/b stands). Can a single pier handle 15m pax per annum.

The really annoying thing is that FF are probably waiting until after the next election to dump the deal they did with the PDs over the future operation of DUB. If they had any sense or interest in aviation policy, they would have started planning/tendering for T3 (and ensuring that the metro line can serve it). That new terminal needs to be open around 2012. If they learn only one lesson, it should be that air transport capacity needs to be planned YEARS in advance. The current govt has shown that it's unwilling to take any pro-active measures in aviation and needs to be pitchforked into doing anything positive. I certainly hope aviation and the state of DUB will be an issue at the next election.

[kopbhoy2]

Originally Posted by akerosid

I certainly hope aviation and the state of DUB will be an issue at the next election.

Sadly the only issue regarding DUB in the next election campaign may be the proposed 10L/28R (or rather the opposition to it). The more 'common sense' issues tend to get ignored.

[DrKev]

kopbhoy2

Exactly. Win votes by siding with those who shout loudest, for there in lies the publicity.

[Charlie Roy]

Basement

When will the new basement RYANAIR check-in area be opening in Dublin Airport?

When Ryanair move down there, congestion in the Departures will be reduced significantly...

Better congested than empty in any case

[Just a spotter]

Basement Checkin AKA underground rail station

Yes

great planning all round ... the terminal basement, originally intended to be the underground rail station... you can see the meeting that decided on that one now

DAA Manager 1, "We don't have enough check in space ... what should we do ...?"

DAA Manager 2, "We could plonk them on top of the short term car park!"

DAA Manager 3, "Dont be silly, think of the car parking revenue we'd loose, look at all those lovely spaces!"

DAA Manager 1, "How about we build a new terminal?"

DAA Manager 2, "It'll take too long, there's bound to be some planning objections and that'll just be from Ryanair!"

DAA Manager 3, "We could knock down his hangar to build the terminal!"

DAA Manager 2, "Why don't we put the new checkin desks in the basement!"

DAA Manager 1, "BRILLIANT!"

DAA Manager 3, "But isn't the Metro link supposed to go in there?! Where'll we put the rail link!"

Managers in unison, "Under the hotel! Think of the extra revenue of selling the hotel with it's own rail link!!"

Nah ... couldn't have happened like that ... could it?

JAS

[FlyingV]

Originally Posted by Just a spotter

great planning all round ... the terminal basement, originally intended to be the underground rail station... you can see the meeting that decided on that one now

The basement was NEVER intended to be a train station. I've no idea where that rumour came from - I think it might just have been nicknamed the train station and that became accepted knowledge. But it was always just a basement.

[Faire d'income]

Jeez, of the 12 routes anounced 2 are daily and the rest average 3 a week so let's say an average of 7 new flights a day which is just under 1m extra passengers if every seat was sold.

RogerIrrelevant, O'Leary boasted that this announcement would create an extra 200 jobs in Dublin. If we assume that FR carry 40 million pax this year surely then they should have 8000 staff. Likewise if we assume 200 staff for every 3 aircraft then 110 aircraft would add up to 7,400 staff. He claims to have less than 3000 staff however so that doesn't quite add up.

For the 3 aircraft involved lets say 4.5 crews each which gives 27 pilots. I would be amazed if they needed more than 50 CC. It is hard to imagine he needs 120 others staff considering the operation he already has in Dublin.

As usual nothing really adds up.

[Charlie Roy]

Faire d'income

When Ryanair refer to the number of jobs new routes will create it is in reference also to all the indirect jobs created: bus drivers, cleaners, caterers, airtraffic controllers , and I dunno what else

[Just a spotter]

Originally Posted by FlyingV

The basement was NEVER intended to be a train station. I've no idea where that rumour came from - I think it might just have been nicknamed the train station and that became accepted knowledge. But it was always just a basement.

Hi FlyingV

Maybe this is the source of the confusion "The two story basement has, naturally enough, always been there. Collier says that it was originally designed to be a concourse area for a rail or Metro link from Dublin city."

The Collier here being Declan Collier, Chief Exec of the DAA. The interview is at the bottom of the page.

http://www.ihf.ie/news/innsight/05-12inn/page5-8.htm

JAS

[Camel Killer]

Originally Posted by Charlie Roy

Faire d'income

When Ryanair refer to the number of jobs new routes will create it is in reference also to all the indirect jobs created: bus drivers, cleaners, caterers, airtraffic controllers , and I dunno what else

I do - lawyers!!!

Or prison warders for Comical Eddie, the perjuror?

[840]

Details on the second terminal are apparently to be released this afternoon.

http://breaking.tcm.ie/2006/08/30/story274561.html

[Just a spotter]

DAA - "New Terminal to Transform Dublin Airport"

T2 has been designed by a project team comprising Arup, Pascall + Watson and Mace. The consortium was appointed as project manager and designer for T2, Pier E and all associated integration works earlier this year. The firms have previously worked on other major airport projects such as Heathrow’s Terminal 5, Beijing’s new Terminal 3, Hong Kong’s Chek Lap Kok International Airport and Seeb International Airport in Oman.

http://www.dublinairport.com/about-u...es/T2_DAA.html

[Sky_Captain]

Hey Guys,

Just wondered what everyone thinks of the plans for the new T2?
Having worked in Dublin airport in the past, I think there building it in the wrong place. The plans show it to replace the "C Pier" which was only officially opened in June 1998. So why are they replacing the newest terminal to make way for the NEW newest terminal?

Oh yeah, does anybody know how much it cost to build the C Pier? Just curious

S.C.