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So what are you suggesting .... that all the N. Atlantic traffic only route to the N. American eastern seaboard and all operators sell off all their B747's, B777-300's, A380's etc. and re-equip with B757's, B767's & B777-200's because there's a quaint regional airfield in the middle of nowhere somewhere that is in dire need of some passengers even if these passengers don't actually want to be there?
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Cazza,
In your previous post you suggested that NQY become a transatlantic hub whilst citing LHR & LGW.
Well just take a look at the transatlantic aircraft and routes that frequent these LON airports ... faced with a reality check you then made excuses, to the effect, that you only intended it to become a transatlantic hub for the smaller of the longer haul airliners and only on N. America east coast routes.
You said NQY could accommodate a B777-200 at MTOW, well I have to admit that I know nothing about B777 performance, your wealth of knowledge regarding B777 performance is most welcomed, so bearing in mind the Cornish climate during the winters, can NQY accommodate a B777-200 at MTOW if the runway is 'wet' and, with 'still air', what TODA is required for a B777-200 at MTOW and with a 'wet' runway?
Call me negative, call me sour, sticks and stones and all that, but I'm not the one living in cloud cuckoo land!
In your previous post you suggested that NQY become a transatlantic hub whilst citing LHR & LGW.
Well just take a look at the transatlantic aircraft and routes that frequent these LON airports ... faced with a reality check you then made excuses, to the effect, that you only intended it to become a transatlantic hub for the smaller of the longer haul airliners and only on N. America east coast routes.
You said NQY could accommodate a B777-200 at MTOW, well I have to admit that I know nothing about B777 performance, your wealth of knowledge regarding B777 performance is most welcomed, so bearing in mind the Cornish climate during the winters, can NQY accommodate a B777-200 at MTOW if the runway is 'wet' and, with 'still air', what TODA is required for a B777-200 at MTOW and with a 'wet' runway?
Call me negative, call me sour, sticks and stones and all that, but I'm not the one living in cloud cuckoo land!
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In your previous post you suggested that NQY become a transatlantic hub whilst citing LHR & LGW.
Thanks!
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Sorry Cazza,
Mistaken identity.
However any suggestion that NQY become anything more than a quaint regional airport, one that will only survive with, year in, year out, bucket loads of taxpayers funding are absurd, it can be realised now or it may only be realised after several more 10's of millions of £££ of public funds.
Mistaken identity.
However any suggestion that NQY become anything more than a quaint regional airport, one that will only survive with, year in, year out, bucket loads of taxpayers funding are absurd, it can be realised now or it may only be realised after several more 10's of millions of £££ of public funds.
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I have to say i am amazed about the amount of shock and surprise in the statement that ASW are pulling out of NQY. Where have some of these people been for the last couple of years. The business model for ASW was to pick up 20 at PLH and pick up another 20 at NQY and you have a nice loading. Even at ASW's peak 80% of the routes involved a PLH/NQY combination. You will not find anyone at PLH or associated with ASW surprised at all, it was expected.
When it was first announced that PLH would be closing, the vibes coming from the NQY management was one of smugness and the belief that the ASW operation would just move down to NQY. What a mistake that was.
The truth be known PLH and NQY's futures were interlinked.
NQY= big runway little population catchment
PLH = Little runway big population catchment(in south west terms)
NQY will survive but it will be a tough couple of years. Good luck to them.
I think it could have been so different had Cornwall Council and Plymouth City council had come to some sort of arrangement(which was explored but thrown out by Cornwall) for the greater good and to the benefit of both regarding the airports. They also had the opportunity to protect the regions airlinks to London but got greedy and could only see Flybe flashing the cash.
The real losers in all of this are the people of Cornwall and South West Devon.
When it was first announced that PLH would be closing, the vibes coming from the NQY management was one of smugness and the belief that the ASW operation would just move down to NQY. What a mistake that was.
The truth be known PLH and NQY's futures were interlinked.
NQY= big runway little population catchment
PLH = Little runway big population catchment(in south west terms)
NQY will survive but it will be a tough couple of years. Good luck to them.
I think it could have been so different had Cornwall Council and Plymouth City council had come to some sort of arrangement(which was explored but thrown out by Cornwall) for the greater good and to the benefit of both regarding the airports. They also had the opportunity to protect the regions airlinks to London but got greedy and could only see Flybe flashing the cash.
The real losers in all of this are the people of Cornwall and South West Devon.
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Really feel for the ASW Crews, great people all of them, dealt with them in a Fuelling Capacity and there always Cheerful. I know Business is Business but they will all be missed by us at Newquay.
We do have a Tough Couple of Years ahead of us and in the Near Future, a very Tough Winter but, Hopefully we"ll come through this Extremely Challenging Time.
We do have a Tough Couple of Years ahead of us and in the Near Future, a very Tough Winter but, Hopefully we"ll come through this Extremely Challenging Time.
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The business model for ASW was to pick up 20 at PLH and pick up another 20 at NQY and you have a nice loading.
On the flights that our family have flown from Exeter in the last year, load factors were low. A Newquay link could boost those load factors.
FlyBe's pricing has always seemed to me to be able to pick up more of the low cost fare seekers and take them off the roads and rail. They can book far ahead for the right fare and are additional to the business turn up and fly brigade who are prepared to pay higher fares.
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Ditto to the above - as an Air Trafficker it is always a delight to work with the boys and girls of ASW. Very professional, and (like FlyBe crews) really know what flying outside CAS is all about.
I hope that someone else can pick up the routes, and excellent people of ASW.
I hope that someone else can pick up the routes, and excellent people of ASW.
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Since Loganair operate as Flybe and Flybe already operated GLA-NQY I guess it would be more of a route transfer? Why did Flybe pull off the route, did WOW actually win that one?
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The GLA route picks up most passengers at Plymouth - probably why flybe didn't have much luck competing with ASW. When Plymouth closes, the passengers are more likely to go to Exeter to fly to GLA so I'm not sure how successful a NQY-GLA route would be.
Does anyone think that an airline would start up a route in October to NQY? - surely they would wait until Spring/Summer of next year. They might also struggle to fill a Q400 size aircraft on all the ASW routes into NQY as both PLH and NQY relied on filling the load sharing between the 2 airports. A 737 works with holiday traffic to MAN and might work for DUB but I doubt many of the other destinations could.
In 1994 Newquay Air(who became the first Air South West) operated a PA31 from NQY to ORK, DUB and JER 4 times a week with some of the flights even operating via Exeter. In 1995 they dropped NQY in favour of EXT. In 1996 they dropped EXT and moved to PLH!
Does anyone think that an airline would start up a route in October to NQY? - surely they would wait until Spring/Summer of next year. They might also struggle to fill a Q400 size aircraft on all the ASW routes into NQY as both PLH and NQY relied on filling the load sharing between the 2 airports. A 737 works with holiday traffic to MAN and might work for DUB but I doubt many of the other destinations could.
In 1994 Newquay Air(who became the first Air South West) operated a PA31 from NQY to ORK, DUB and JER 4 times a week with some of the flights even operating via Exeter. In 1995 they dropped NQY in favour of EXT. In 1996 they dropped EXT and moved to PLH!
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I know I am getting old but I don't remember Newquay Air and I thought I knew how SHH started ASW when they took over the ex BA aircraft to keep PLH open. I had better have a cup of cocoa and go to bed now.
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Newquay Air became Air South West well before SHH got into the airline business. They had 1 or 2 PA-31's and finished off with 2 Bandits operating PLH-DUB, PLH-ORK and PLH-MAN. They had no connection with the current airline that I'm aware of.
Here is a pic of one of their timetables. I have photos of their aircraft too.
Here is a pic of one of their timetables. I have photos of their aircraft too.
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Some interesting and well informed comments on here on this subject which is important to us here in Cornwall. At the end of the day, surely it all comes down to the business enterprise - or lack of it - of Cornwall Council and their 123 Councillors. As a Cornishman, I tend to usually think along the lines of Gawd elp us when the Council is involved and they need to be thinking on a commercial basis. Councils are only good at spending our money but I really wish the airport well and would like to see it succeed one way or another for the sake of the good citizens here in The Duchy.
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Just ask yourselves the question, "would Cornwall have an airport at all if it wasn't for the council?"
Show me the queues of private companies at CCC's door clamouring to buy Newquay.
Good luck to CCC for recognising that airports in economically marginal areas are a public asset and need protection from the asset-strippers.
NS
Show me the queues of private companies at CCC's door clamouring to buy Newquay.
Good luck to CCC for recognising that airports in economically marginal areas are a public asset and need protection from the asset-strippers.
NS