EOS first flight due today
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Just curious as to why ESS9900 is en-route EGSS at the moment with an ETA of 1009z and the normal ESS2 arrived at 0545z. Is the former a proving flight or is it recovering a tech ESS2 ?
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Press launch
The reasons for the second aircraft arrival on 26th was that:
A/ There will been a spare aircraft based at STN anyway as a standby aircraft incase of tech-probs. I hear this aircraft will rotate out on a revenue flight every 3 days so it also gives them regular down time for mtx on the birds.
B/ It being the press launch they wanted two aircraft there and ai understand that even the fire brigade gotin on the act in squirting some water around for the cameras but I havent seen and pics yet.
Good luck EOS...
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A/ There will been a spare aircraft based at STN anyway as a standby aircraft incase of tech-probs. I hear this aircraft will rotate out on a revenue flight every 3 days so it also gives them regular down time for mtx on the birds.
B/ It being the press launch they wanted two aircraft there and ai understand that even the fire brigade gotin on the act in squirting some water around for the cameras but I havent seen and pics yet.
Good luck EOS...
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Having two aircraft together for the launch was a commendable aim, but it failed I am afraid. The first ("scheduled"?) aircraft departed about 45 minutes before the arrival of the second.
The second aircraft went northside to the old terminal, rather than using the main terminal building.
Good luck to them.
Having two aircraft together for the launch was a commendable aim, but it failed I am afraid. The first ("scheduled"?) aircraft departed about 45 minutes before the arrival of the second.
The second aircraft went northside to the old terminal, rather than using the main terminal building.
Good luck to them.
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This illustrates the fundamental problem with small-scale transatlantic ops. One roundtrip occupies an aircraft for a day, with absolutely no leeway if anything goes wrong. History is littered with failed airlines who never grasped this fact (although there was one notable exception - Virgin Atlantic).
EOS have realised that their reputation will not survive a rash of schedule disruptions and have taken the only precaution they can by providing a spare aircraft - one very expensive asset just sitting idle.
A quick calculation would give an annual utilisation figure of about 2800hr/aircraft - industry benchmark for long haul is about 5000.
EOS have realised that their reputation will not survive a rash of schedule disruptions and have taken the only precaution they can by providing a spare aircraft - one very expensive asset just sitting idle.
A quick calculation would give an annual utilisation figure of about 2800hr/aircraft - industry benchmark for long haul is about 5000.
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I think the low numbers are to be expected. Getting the corporates to change their allegiance is VERY difficult. They will want the service to be proven.
To begin with they will get the individuals and small companies and a few from the big companies testing them out. Come back in three months to see how they are doing. I suspect that the answer will be 'not bad but not good'.
I hope that EOS understands that the Brits REALLY like their FFMs.
To begin with they will get the individuals and small companies and a few from the big companies testing them out. Come back in three months to see how they are doing. I suspect that the answer will be 'not bad but not good'.
I hope that EOS understands that the Brits REALLY like their FFMs.
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FFM rule OK
Pax is right....There has to be an incentive to change.....I would love to have been involved in this start up......When we were investigating a similar project FFM were considered as important a consideration, as the fare structure.
"Normal" pax must have the incentive to change....a corporate deal is the only way to put bums in seats...and unless this happens there will be very low load factors.....
Look at the business/first only services that have evolved in recent years...they have all been tied to corporate needs.....
Does anyone in Pprune land think there is a market for a busness version of the LLC.???? serious question, and serious responses only, please..
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"Normal" pax must have the incentive to change....a corporate deal is the only way to put bums in seats...and unless this happens there will be very low load factors.....
Look at the business/first only services that have evolved in recent years...they have all been tied to corporate needs.....
Does anyone in Pprune land think there is a market for a busness version of the LLC.???? serious question, and serious responses only, please..
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Flew with EOS last week and found it a very good experience..A few bits and pcs to iron out, but on the whole a good product at a reasonable price.
Left on time and arrived early...T4 at JFK is an ideal location. Only problem was that we were number 27 for departure at JFK on friday night...this made for a long delay...pretty standard at times in NYC.
There is more to EOS than we all think....long term plans are very exciting...watch this space.
Left on time and arrived early...T4 at JFK is an ideal location. Only problem was that we were number 27 for departure at JFK on friday night...this made for a long delay...pretty standard at times in NYC.
There is more to EOS than we all think....long term plans are very exciting...watch this space.
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Bed length
Now someone actually has travelled on Eos - how is the bed length on the aisle beds? (The window beds must be longer, as the aisle beds seem to leave a gap for the window passenger getting out).
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Window seat is fixed length...aisle seat has an adjustment on the ottoman with a 6 inchish movement to increase the length.....as flight wasnt totally full I cant guage the impact of the movement on access to the window seat...great flight though crew were attentive and well informed...so no techno or mechanical issues with the seat or cabin environment...
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Hi all,
EOS diverted to LTN due to very low visability at STN.
This wasn't just an issue for EOS, the MaxJet 767 ended up down South at Gatwick (The airport they should be operating from anyway - Not that I am biased you understand)
EOS diverted to LTN due to very low visability at STN.
This wasn't just an issue for EOS, the MaxJet 767 ended up down South at Gatwick (The airport they should be operating from anyway - Not that I am biased you understand)
