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Its good to be ambitious!!-the same thing happens in many of the threads for smaller airports such as Bournemouth and Doncaster and even some larger airports such as Manchester. On a more realistic note (!) does anyone know when Flybe plan to base some 175's here and how many will be based. At the moment the first two are going to GCI for the LGW route next summer so I would guess that W11/12 would be when we first start seeing them at SOU - you never know we may even get an odd one at the end of S11!! For an extra 14 flights each day (which is what the news article says (~10 for new routes and ~4 for extra frequency's on existing routes) FlyBe would need to base 4 or 5 at SOU depending on how many return flights they do each day (3 or 4) and at the moment I don't think there is sufficient stand capacity for this so it looks like BAA better get building some of the new stands east of the runway to accommodate them. On a sidenote how many aircraft do FLyBe currently base in SOU - last time I heard it was 7x DH4's and 3x E95's - has anything changed recently?
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Roofly,
I have no particular interest in SOU except that, once upon a time, I worked for Air UK and SOU is my elderly mother's most convenient airport.
Just as an example KLM's smallest aircraft are F70's, I think with 84 seats, are KLM likely to fill anywhere near to 84 seats out of SOU, particularly, if in competition with the likes of LH, SAS, BMI, LOT, Iberia, Luxair, AF etc. etc. etc? These guys must be on drugs!
adfly,
Smaller airports such as BOH and Finningley? Smaller airports than SOU in what respect, dimensions of runway(s), parking ramps, terminal facilities, how are these airports smaller than SOU or do you really mean 'developing airports' rather than smaller airports?
I have no particular interest in SOU except that, once upon a time, I worked for Air UK and SOU is my elderly mother's most convenient airport.
Just as an example KLM's smallest aircraft are F70's, I think with 84 seats, are KLM likely to fill anywhere near to 84 seats out of SOU, particularly, if in competition with the likes of LH, SAS, BMI, LOT, Iberia, Luxair, AF etc. etc. etc? These guys must be on drugs!
adfly,
Smaller airports such as BOH and Finningley? Smaller airports than SOU in what respect, dimensions of runway(s), parking ramps, terminal facilities, how are these airports smaller than SOU or do you really mean 'developing airports' rather than smaller airports?
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I meant smaller aiports as if they all mainly serve local areas and have passenger numbers of 800,000-2m per year, Southamptn included. Developing is a good way to sum them up.
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Asfly,
I think you'll find that (BOH) Hurn was one of the original London Airports with BOAC operating, from, to such destinations as Australia!
Many years ago I worked for a LGW based B707 & DC10 operator, we would send our aircaft to BOH for crew training (circuits and bumps), all served to provide BOH with valuable revenue, any guesses why we didn't send our B707's & DC10's to SOU for circuits and bumps and why, instead, we sent them to a 'smaller' airport than SOU?
I think you'll find that (BOH) Hurn was one of the original London Airports with BOAC operating, from, to such destinations as Australia!
Many years ago I worked for a LGW based B707 & DC10 operator, we would send our aircaft to BOH for crew training (circuits and bumps), all served to provide BOH with valuable revenue, any guesses why we didn't send our B707's & DC10's to SOU for circuits and bumps and why, instead, we sent them to a 'smaller' airport than SOU?
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I am aware Flybe code share with Air France but I would have liked Air France to have shared the flights between CDG or Orly route along with Flybe code sharing on both flights.
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I am aware of Dusseldorf being a hub in it's own right but as Hamburg is not currently served from Southampton and the fact that many passengers fly from Hamburg to Heathrow to connect with the cruise liners from Southampton in particular Cunard Lines Queen Mary 2 I added it to my wish list of destinations.
On August 04th 2010 the Queen Mary 2 had just under 350 German passengers onboard with just under 250 of those arriving from Hamburg to Heathrow!
On August 04th 2010 the Queen Mary 2 had just under 350 German passengers onboard with just under 250 of those arriving from Hamburg to Heathrow!
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Canberra,
Earlier this year I was booking Cardiff to Singapore, Cardiff only being served by KLM, not available directly on KLM or AF websites but available on such sites as Cheap Flights | Search & Compare Flight Offers - Fly.com , and on price, rather than book on KLM I booked and travelled on AF8348 (operated by KLM) CWL/AMS then I flew with AF AMS/CDG/SIN and with good connection times.
For an airfield, and catchment area, the size of SOU there is little, if any, need for 'KLM Air France' to operate 2 routes!
Earlier this year I was booking Cardiff to Singapore, Cardiff only being served by KLM, not available directly on KLM or AF websites but available on such sites as Cheap Flights | Search & Compare Flight Offers - Fly.com , and on price, rather than book on KLM I booked and travelled on AF8348 (operated by KLM) CWL/AMS then I flew with AF AMS/CDG/SIN and with good connection times.
For an airfield, and catchment area, the size of SOU there is little, if any, need for 'KLM Air France' to operate 2 routes!
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But a link to one of AF/KLM's major hubs (cdg/ams) is needed so people can connect to many worldwide destinations as Orly has only a few AF connecting routes and is only really good for people who are visiting Paris.
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Exactly adfly? But you were asking for, both, KL to AMS and AF to CDG?
For connecting passengers, let's say, KLM would need to operate a minimum of 3 rotations per day, are KLM likely to fill anywhere near to 3 x 84 seaters per day out of SOU ..... particularly if the likes of Lufthansa, LOT and all those other suggested routes are being operated from SOU?
AF utilise smaller aircraft than F70's so that might be more reasonable.
For connecting passengers, let's say, KLM would need to operate a minimum of 3 rotations per day, are KLM likely to fill anywhere near to 3 x 84 seaters per day out of SOU ..... particularly if the likes of Lufthansa, LOT and all those other suggested routes are being operated from SOU?
AF utilise smaller aircraft than F70's so that might be more reasonable.
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In my post above I specifically say that there only needs to be a link to one of the major hubs for connections sake and if we just ignore all of the other suggestions for now then KLM will quite easily fill 3 84 seaters a day(F70's are almost the same capacity as DH4's) with mainly connecting traffic and also some p2p and then you have the AF/FlyBe codeshare Orly route which, will be almost entirely p2p traffic going to Paris.
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adfly,
I sincerely apologise, I was confusing you with someone else.
I agree, currently CWL is my local airport, when BHX was my local airport, and what a lovely airport BHX is to travel through on the business routes, I was spoilt for choice with the likes of Swiss, KLM, LH, AF, SAS etc, currently just up the road from CWL I'd be lost were it not for the KLM service to AMS and worldwide thereafter.
And I'm a Londoner, I think I'd rather top myself than travel thru LHR
I sincerely apologise, I was confusing you with someone else.
I agree, currently CWL is my local airport, when BHX was my local airport, and what a lovely airport BHX is to travel through on the business routes, I was spoilt for choice with the likes of Swiss, KLM, LH, AF, SAS etc, currently just up the road from CWL I'd be lost were it not for the KLM service to AMS and worldwide thereafter.
And I'm a Londoner, I think I'd rather top myself than travel thru LHR
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Not a problem Philias Fogg!-I suppose unlike many uk airports SOU does have the slight issue of being about 90mins from the uk's two largest airports but even then there is still some unfilled demand!!
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Isn't MAN the 2nd largest airport, it certainly has more (active at the same time) runways than LGW?
A friend of mine, who lives in Liverpool, had previously been experiencing the nightmare of travelling to London to fly (to direct destinations not served by MAN), when I pointed out to him that KLM had recently added LPL to their network, with good connection times in AMS, he loved it, if a London airport ever sees him again is unlikely.
A friend of mine, who lives in Liverpool, had previously been experiencing the nightmare of travelling to London to fly (to direct destinations not served by MAN), when I pointed out to him that KLM had recently added LPL to their network, with good connection times in AMS, he loved it, if a London airport ever sees him again is unlikely.
According to the Flybe online timetable, SOU will see flights to Pau, Beziers and Clermont-Ferrand in addition to the existing raft of French destinations for S11.
Having said that the Croatian destinations (Dubrovnik, Split) that operated this year appear to have gone.
Having said that the Croatian destinations (Dubrovnik, Split) that operated this year appear to have gone.
I wondered that, but times suggest otherwise, eg, Beziers timings as follows:
Southampton - Beziers
BE3915 10:35 13:35 M . . . F . . - - 27-May-11 - 09-Sep-11
Beziers - Southampton
BE3916 14:10 15:05 M . . . F . . - - 27-May-11 - 09-Sep-11
Block time of around 2 hours seems about right for that route on the Dash?
Southampton - Beziers
BE3915 10:35 13:35 M . . . F . . - - 27-May-11 - 09-Sep-11
Beziers - Southampton
BE3916 14:10 15:05 M . . . F . . - - 27-May-11 - 09-Sep-11
Block time of around 2 hours seems about right for that route on the Dash?