BMI Manchester gets 767 loses A330
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oh don't be so damned negative!
Look at what's left - far more US scheduled flights from Manch than all of the rest of Britain's non London airports put together.
You can't just trot out a couple of withdrawals and use that as evidence that ALL long haul are unsustainable from Manchester.
Absolute crap.
When Virgin pulled LHR - ORD did you use that as evidence that long haul flts from Heathrow were falling apart?
Stuff happens y'know.
Look at what's left - far more US scheduled flights from Manch than all of the rest of Britain's non London airports put together.
You can't just trot out a couple of withdrawals and use that as evidence that ALL long haul are unsustainable from Manchester.
Absolute crap.
When Virgin pulled LHR - ORD did you use that as evidence that long haul flts from Heathrow were falling apart?
Stuff happens y'know.
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yet another stupid move by the big wigs at BMI, im sure they are doing this on a purpose, so that a director could startup another long haul product from MAN, you never know.lol
no seriously though i think the big wigs are making a huge mistake by sending another A330 to LHR, i think they are just jelous because they cant get their hand on any USA routes from LHR, theyre certainly pushing though.
I think BMI should completly wipe out all long hauls from both LHR and MAN and start again from satch, rebuild their once fantastic transatlantic model from MAN, and maybe lease some more A330 to send to LHR?
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Scott Waterworth
no seriously though i think the big wigs are making a huge mistake by sending another A330 to LHR, i think they are just jelous because they cant get their hand on any USA routes from LHR, theyre certainly pushing though.
I think BMI should completly wipe out all long hauls from both LHR and MAN and start again from satch, rebuild their once fantastic transatlantic model from MAN, and maybe lease some more A330 to send to LHR?
thanks
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i think that bmi would still like to see man going good with the longhaul but they must put a/c into lhr first to show the relavant governments that they are serious about the uk-us talks!!
bmi can not put a good case for wanting the bermuda law to be scrapped if they havnt even got any l/haul a/c at lhr!
after all the chairmans dream is to see a bmi uk-us flight from lhr, its his airline and if it was your dream and you had the money you would try and do it!!
bmi can not put a good case for wanting the bermuda law to be scrapped if they havnt even got any l/haul a/c at lhr!
after all the chairmans dream is to see a bmi uk-us flight from lhr, its his airline and if it was your dream and you had the money you would try and do it!!
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That wasn't what I said at all VHF man. Please re read.
I said there wasn't a gold mine to be made at EGCC. If there was, they would have NWA, United, Air Canada would be year round and BMI would be expanding not contracting. They can't make the money. Simple as.
This is a business not a spotters playground.
I said there wasn't a gold mine to be made at EGCC. If there was, they would have NWA, United, Air Canada would be year round and BMI would be expanding not contracting. They can't make the money. Simple as.
This is a business not a spotters playground.
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have I even missed something? Have bmi even announced that they will move an A330 to LHR from MAN??? Or are people just slating the airline over a rumour which someone has put - after all it is a "rumour network"!!!
If I started a rumour that Virgin were going to move their upper cabin to the rear of the aircraft as they think it is safer, and turn the seats round to face the tail of the aircraft - would people start having a go at them as it would be a crazy thing to do and will lose business traffic etc etc.
Let people have rumours, but people shouldn't start big attacks on an airline over what is still a rumour!!!
But even if they did, bmibabyfc has a good point - unlike other airlines who have shareholders, bmi (ignoring the LH/SK ownership part) is still the train set of Sir Michael Bishop who lives and breathes the airline - if he wants to set up long haul flights from Carlisle Airport then he will set the companies focus on that - remember his drive as Chairman isn't only financial but ambition!!!
If I started a rumour that Virgin were going to move their upper cabin to the rear of the aircraft as they think it is safer, and turn the seats round to face the tail of the aircraft - would people start having a go at them as it would be a crazy thing to do and will lose business traffic etc etc.
Let people have rumours, but people shouldn't start big attacks on an airline over what is still a rumour!!!
But even if they did, bmibabyfc has a good point - unlike other airlines who have shareholders, bmi (ignoring the LH/SK ownership part) is still the train set of Sir Michael Bishop who lives and breathes the airline - if he wants to set up long haul flights from Carlisle Airport then he will set the companies focus on that - remember his drive as Chairman isn't only financial but ambition!!!
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There is no 757, it was returned when the Dulles service was terminated at the weekend. The Heathrow - Jeddah route and the Heathrow - Riyadh routes are different markets and the same machine is not ideal for both due leisure / business seating mix. There has been talk of a Manchester based 767 but no one has confirmed whether it be for the Manchester - Chicago or the Las Vegas, St Lucia and other carribbean flights. We shall see.
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I have re-read and ask you to re-read what I wrote too.
I am not a spotter but a very regular user of the services you disdain. In doing so I contribute to the wages of many of those who are PPRUNE members.
I own and run a business very successfully and don't need you to preach to me about economics.
I simply suggesting that because one route fails, it doesn't mean that all long haul out of the regions are pointless as your posting implies.
But you're right, the market will sort this out all by itself.
and Manchester Man
If your comment was directed at me - I do happen to have a 2:1 degree in economics - do you?
I have re-read and ask you to re-read what I wrote too.
I am not a spotter but a very regular user of the services you disdain. In doing so I contribute to the wages of many of those who are PPRUNE members.
I own and run a business very successfully and don't need you to preach to me about economics.
I simply suggesting that because one route fails, it doesn't mean that all long haul out of the regions are pointless as your posting implies.
But you're right, the market will sort this out all by itself.
and Manchester Man
If your comment was directed at me - I do happen to have a 2:1 degree in economics - do you?
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It is now confirmed that a 767 is coming to MAN.
Cabin crew have now been rostered their 767 courses for the charter aircraft which they will be leasing for some of the routes. Which ones? Who knows??? The rumour is The 330 will do Chicago and Vegas. 767 will do caribean and chicago (on the days the 330 is doing vegas).
Cabin crew have now been rostered their 767 courses for the charter aircraft which they will be leasing for some of the routes. Which ones? Who knows??? The rumour is The 330 will do Chicago and Vegas. 767 will do caribean and chicago (on the days the 330 is doing vegas).
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LHR crew also being trained on 767 course set for december and january but only if bmi commit to the 767.
had to roster crews for 767 so the xmas rosters could be published but the crews could end up with a weeks sby.
Stockley had no idea, nothing pencilled in.
had to roster crews for 767 so the xmas rosters could be published but the crews could end up with a weeks sby.
Stockley had no idea, nothing pencilled in.
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BMI longhaul
It looks to me like bmi are getting ready for the end of the Ridiculous Bermuda 2 agreement and possibly getting their ducks in a row.
If they can build a successful longhaul operation (currently going east) out of Heathrow then they’ll be ready to hop the Atlantic when the opportunity comes and get some competition in the market.
In my opinion though bmi should drop the leisure routes and concentrate on the business routes. That’s what they’re known for & that’s what they do best (not including Baby before you all start)
Think of the Goldmine of slots they have at Heathrow? It makes sense to do all their Longhaul from Heathrow.
That said priority no 1 must be making money, so my advice is, “if it’s profitable keep it, if it looses drop it!”
If they can build a successful longhaul operation (currently going east) out of Heathrow then they’ll be ready to hop the Atlantic when the opportunity comes and get some competition in the market.
In my opinion though bmi should drop the leisure routes and concentrate on the business routes. That’s what they’re known for & that’s what they do best (not including Baby before you all start)
Think of the Goldmine of slots they have at Heathrow? It makes sense to do all their Longhaul from Heathrow.
That said priority no 1 must be making money, so my advice is, “if it’s profitable keep it, if it looses drop it!”
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Word here in the Low Countries is that ArkeFly, formerly known as Holland Exel and Air Holland, will lease a 763ER to BMI shortly.
The airplane's current registration is PH-MCV, originally delivered to Martinair in 1995. It later flew for now defunct East-African Airways, who alledgedly totally raped the airplane, before returning to it's original homeland.
It still has the original 270-seat interior, in a 3 class config: business, premium economy and economy.
ArkeFly by the way is now a 100% TUI-company.
The airplane's current registration is PH-MCV, originally delivered to Martinair in 1995. It later flew for now defunct East-African Airways, who alledgedly totally raped the airplane, before returning to it's original homeland.
It still has the original 270-seat interior, in a 3 class config: business, premium economy and economy.
ArkeFly by the way is now a 100% TUI-company.
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All now hangs on the out come the US/EU talks if it goes as hoped then there will a major order for A330's next year with posb some 319's for baby on the back of it, who knows the future could yet be blue.
Maybe?
*j*
