ABZ Runway Length
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ABZ Runway Length
Well what other airport d'ya think I was going to talk about ? 
Runway length 1829m.
There was talk a couple of months back that the BAA had drawn up the plans to extend the runway 16/34 by anything up to 1,100m for future requirements.
Other reports suggest nothing like that will eventually happen,more realistically 250-400m.
Does anyone know how close BAA are to actually submitting a plan to facilitate this,be it 2m or 1,100m?
Weeks? Months?? Years??? NEVER????
Runway length 1829m.
There was talk a couple of months back that the BAA had drawn up the plans to extend the runway 16/34 by anything up to 1,100m for future requirements.
Other reports suggest nothing like that will eventually happen,more realistically 250-400m.
Does anyone know how close BAA are to actually submitting a plan to facilitate this,be it 2m or 1,100m?
Weeks? Months?? Years??? NEVER????
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Who cares?
No really, what ABZ needs is a Cat 2 or 3 ILS for the days with the haar.
Let's face it, the most distant destination ever likely to be served from ABZ is still European or maybe Turkey/Middle East, so at max a 5 hour flight. Any modern twinjet operating that range could manage on a 2200 m runway, so I could see no reason for anything longer than that. So your 1100m extension - dream on ---- as for planning, haven't a clue & don't give a to$$.
No really, what ABZ needs is a Cat 2 or 3 ILS for the days with the haar.
Let's face it, the most distant destination ever likely to be served from ABZ is still European or maybe Turkey/Middle East, so at max a 5 hour flight. Any modern twinjet operating that range could manage on a 2200 m runway, so I could see no reason for anything longer than that. So your 1100m extension - dream on ---- as for planning, haven't a clue & don't give a to$$.
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Gee Topbunk thanks for your caring response.
You might not give the preverbial to$$ living in the SE of England...other people might just give more of a to$$.
I asked for people's views,not people's insults.
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You might not give the preverbial to$$ living in the SE of England...other people might just give more of a to$$.
I asked for people's views,not people's insults.
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A similar situation exists at BHD with an identical runway length - looking at the airports' outline plan published in January, they seem to be considering an extension or starter strip which looks to be about 300 - 400m in length.
It appears unlikely that anything will happen until the local planners get their fingers out of their proverbial a****s and give the go ahead. No doubt the local NIMBYS will want their say.
It seems not unreasonable that a similar approach might be taken at ABZ.
A similar situation exists at BHD with an identical runway length - looking at the airports' outline plan published in January, they seem to be considering an extension or starter strip which looks to be about 300 - 400m in length.
It appears unlikely that anything will happen until the local planners get their fingers out of their proverbial a****s and give the go ahead. No doubt the local NIMBYS will want their say.
It seems not unreasonable that a similar approach might be taken at ABZ.
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Dear sulking Richard
If you actually read what I said, I proposed what ABZ needs to cope with reality, not pipedreams, ie:
1. Cat 2/3 ILS
2. ABout a 300m extension
I operate in there regularly enough to know its limitations ....
If you actually read what I said, I proposed what ABZ needs to cope with reality, not pipedreams, ie:
1. Cat 2/3 ILS
2. ABout a 300m extension
I operate in there regularly enough to know its limitations ....
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Some work last week took the G/S on 16 out for a few days...was this related?
Took me years to get used to 16/34 instead of 17/35 and now they might change the length?!! Will it happen before the WPR? (a very long wait for a bypass road)
Took me years to get used to 16/34 instead of 17/35 and now they might change the length?!! Will it happen before the WPR? (a very long wait for a bypass road)
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At least the NDB naming convention still works (is the AOS still there?).
'AOS' Aberdeen One-Seven (now One-Six)
'ATF' Aberdeen Three-Five (now Three-Four)
At least the NDB naming convention still works (is the AOS still there?).
'AOS' Aberdeen One-Seven (now One-Six)
'ATF' Aberdeen Three-Five (now Three-Four)
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ABZ might not be on CO's radar yet, but there must be enough front of house pax for a business / premium economy dominated service to NYC? Would this be a commercially or even technically viable proposition in a 737-800?
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There was "talk" about not EWR,but IAH with COA,obviously because of the oil interests in both cities.
However whether this "talk" actually involved the BAA & the airline is debateable!!
A wingletted 75 or 738 may be feasible I suppose,but needs the runway extended.
If it ever were to happen(IF),couldn't see it more than 3w if that.
Couldn't imagine either a/c being particularly comfortable on a transatlantic flight,then again 75s do cross the pond.
Doubt myself we'll ever see t/atlantic from ABZ.
However whether this "talk" actually involved the BAA & the airline is debateable!!
A wingletted 75 or 738 may be feasible I suppose,but needs the runway extended.
If it ever were to happen(IF),couldn't see it more than 3w if that.
Couldn't imagine either a/c being particularly comfortable on a transatlantic flight,then again 75s do cross the pond.
Doubt myself we'll ever see t/atlantic from ABZ.
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So they did a few summers ago.
I snapped one of their 757s at ABZ,very smart(believe the A310 put in an occasional appearance,but never their TriStars sadly).
Problem is the route,along with the likes of Air Scotland,launched services at a time of a downturn in the region's fortunes due to a low oil price at the time,which meant services were not viable.
With high oil prices,oil activity in the N.Sea/Atlantic margin is on the upturn,& is expected to continue for the forseeable future,with oil prices expected to remain high(one man's meat,another man's poison with high oil prices!)
On that basis,plus continued marketing to attract INBOUND tourist/leisure traffic to the ABZ area(golf/whisky/castles etc),this may help diversify the region & attract more pax to ABZ flights.
Time will tell of course,as will any fluctuations in oil prices!
So they did a few summers ago.
I snapped one of their 757s at ABZ,very smart(believe the A310 put in an occasional appearance,but never their TriStars sadly).
Problem is the route,along with the likes of Air Scotland,launched services at a time of a downturn in the region's fortunes due to a low oil price at the time,which meant services were not viable.
With high oil prices,oil activity in the N.Sea/Atlantic margin is on the upturn,& is expected to continue for the forseeable future,with oil prices expected to remain high(one man's meat,another man's poison with high oil prices!)
On that basis,plus continued marketing to attract INBOUND tourist/leisure traffic to the ABZ area(golf/whisky/castles etc),this may help diversify the region & attract more pax to ABZ flights.
Time will tell of course,as will any fluctuations in oil prices!
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Just re the R/W legth thing and Cat 2/3.
We have a max Autoland weight (CAT 1) of about 43T in a 737/400 (useless..full aircraft gives a landing weight 10T over this). Add to this the CAT 2/3 requirements...
So slightly longer runway please, then upgrade the facilities...
I accept other A/C could do Cat 2/3 autolands into ABZ with the current length...
We have a max Autoland weight (CAT 1) of about 43T in a 737/400 (useless..full aircraft gives a landing weight 10T over this). Add to this the CAT 2/3 requirements...
So slightly longer runway please, then upgrade the facilities...
I accept other A/C could do Cat 2/3 autolands into ABZ with the current length...
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I may be wrong, but I believe the runway extension is being driven by Ryanair who require a bit extra to operate their B738s. Unfortunately I have heard that they only require 50m more so that is probably what the BAA will eventually provide, unless a sound business case is made for a longer extension.
However I have noticed that the new 34 localiser site is well North of the old one (about 300m) so there is hope for a decent extension yet.
Topbunk - The AOS (previously known as the ADN NDB) was scrapped years ago. Incidentally I have been told that the ILS is actually CAT2 capable but the A/F lighting needs upgrading to allow this.
However I have noticed that the new 34 localiser site is well North of the old one (about 300m) so there is hope for a decent extension yet.
Topbunk - The AOS (previously known as the ADN NDB) was scrapped years ago. Incidentally I have been told that the ILS is actually CAT2 capable but the A/F lighting needs upgrading to allow this.
