Flybe's Fleet Replacement Collapsed Again
Flybe's Fleet Replacement Collapsed Again
Shame about the RJ100's, just the aeroplane for SOU. After a bad 2003 with high summer temperatures causing a number of the146's to route via BOH when going south to Murcia/Alicante, due to the restricted runway at SOU, Flybe may be praying for a cool summer this year!
Looking at the take-off performance of the ERJ 195, this might be a problem at SOU, unless Embraer can work their magic and come up with an intermediate flap setting, as they did to make the ERJ 145 work out of SOU.
The other problem at SOU, if the 146's go, is where are the ERJ 195/737/AB318/9s going to park? Due to a mega cock up by a previous management regime a new multi-story car park was built next to the apron, against qualified advice. Car parking revenue obviously of more concern to the management. Nett result is that only aircraft with tail fin heights around 9 metres can park on most stands (ie 6-12). With Air Berlin a frequent visitor and Air Europa/Iberworld B737s & A320 taking up the parking stands that can take them during the summer, where is Flybe going to park their 146 replacements?
Looking at the take-off performance of the ERJ 195, this might be a problem at SOU, unless Embraer can work their magic and come up with an intermediate flap setting, as they did to make the ERJ 145 work out of SOU.
The other problem at SOU, if the 146's go, is where are the ERJ 195/737/AB318/9s going to park? Due to a mega cock up by a previous management regime a new multi-story car park was built next to the apron, against qualified advice. Car parking revenue obviously of more concern to the management. Nett result is that only aircraft with tail fin heights around 9 metres can park on most stands (ie 6-12). With Air Berlin a frequent visitor and Air Europa/Iberworld B737s & A320 taking up the parking stands that can take them during the summer, where is Flybe going to park their 146 replacements?
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Shame about the RJ's but to be honest I'm glad as I was getting worried about having to stay on the 146/RJ for another 5 years and now they have to look at replacing it.
I have enjoyed the many years spent on the 146 but I have to admit it is getting a bit long in the tooth. It's a lovely A/C to fly though and I am sure I'll look back in a few years time and think 'I really miss the old girl' !
As for the Dash 400 - well I haven't flown it but I'm sure it does the job it was designed for well. I'm not sure there's any truth in this stuff about it 'saving the company' though, my humble opinion is that it was born at the right moment - just before the change to low cost and the boom.
An A/C is just an A/C.
It's no good blaming an A/C for this and that and praising it for saving the day etc. - it all depends on how that A/C is used. The CRJ was not a 'BAD A/C' it was just asked to do a job it wasn't designed to do - and when it all went wrong it got the blame - what a load of crap. (I wasn't on the CRJ either by the way)
This 146 V's Dash 400 is unfortunate as we are all batting for the same team but I can't help thinking that it has all come about because of the difference in salary increases over the last couple of years between the Dash and 146 pilots (146 pilots 5% and Dash around 30%). If we had all stuck together and looked after each other the hand bags would have stayed put but unfortunately one group decided they deserved a huge increase and stuck two fingers up to the other group by voting yes to the unfair wage proposal, - the result -- More people on the 146 voting with their feet (as well as the usual amount from the Dash) and I'll feeling between the fleets.
Hopefully this is now water under the bridge.
As for the 146 replacement - well the Embraer 195 seems to fit our needs well. I don't think the Management of FlyBe are interested in getting 737's/Airbus's for the simple reason that it puts them in direct competition with the larger Low-Cost in both routes and pilot wage etc, so a 110 seater that know one else fly's is perfect.
I have enjoyed the many years spent on the 146 but I have to admit it is getting a bit long in the tooth. It's a lovely A/C to fly though and I am sure I'll look back in a few years time and think 'I really miss the old girl' !
As for the Dash 400 - well I haven't flown it but I'm sure it does the job it was designed for well. I'm not sure there's any truth in this stuff about it 'saving the company' though, my humble opinion is that it was born at the right moment - just before the change to low cost and the boom.
An A/C is just an A/C.
It's no good blaming an A/C for this and that and praising it for saving the day etc. - it all depends on how that A/C is used. The CRJ was not a 'BAD A/C' it was just asked to do a job it wasn't designed to do - and when it all went wrong it got the blame - what a load of crap. (I wasn't on the CRJ either by the way)
This 146 V's Dash 400 is unfortunate as we are all batting for the same team but I can't help thinking that it has all come about because of the difference in salary increases over the last couple of years between the Dash and 146 pilots (146 pilots 5% and Dash around 30%). If we had all stuck together and looked after each other the hand bags would have stayed put but unfortunately one group decided they deserved a huge increase and stuck two fingers up to the other group by voting yes to the unfair wage proposal, - the result -- More people on the 146 voting with their feet (as well as the usual amount from the Dash) and I'll feeling between the fleets.
Hopefully this is now water under the bridge.
As for the 146 replacement - well the Embraer 195 seems to fit our needs well. I don't think the Management of FlyBe are interested in getting 737's/Airbus's for the simple reason that it puts them in direct competition with the larger Low-Cost in both routes and pilot wage etc, so a 110 seater that know one else fly's is perfect.
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So what are they doing messing around with damp leasing aircraft to compete with 3 other LCCs at BHX!!!
I don't think the Management of FlyBe are interested in getting 737's/Airbus's for the simple reason that it puts them in direct competition with the larger Low-Cost
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We will all know in 6 weeks time what the company has decided to do.
As for the 737 lease, I don't think we should look into that to much as to what the outcome will be.
Personally I think the 319 will edge it. My spy's are telling me it is the bus and believe me, I'm in the know.
One thing is for certain. The ops director wants another vote on the pay rise. It was voted out by 51% to 49%. That man has lost the plot!
If you don't like the proposed increase just do what everyone else does. IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!!
Come on guys and gals, your supposed to have brains flying aircraft. GET YOUR HEADS OUT THE SAND!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!!
YOU ARE YOUR OWN WORST ENEMY
As for the 737 lease, I don't think we should look into that to much as to what the outcome will be.
Personally I think the 319 will edge it. My spy's are telling me it is the bus and believe me, I'm in the know.
One thing is for certain. The ops director wants another vote on the pay rise. It was voted out by 51% to 49%. That man has lost the plot!
If you don't like the proposed increase just do what everyone else does. IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!!
Come on guys and gals, your supposed to have brains flying aircraft. GET YOUR HEADS OUT THE SAND!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!!
YOU ARE YOUR OWN WORST ENEMY
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You answered that one yourself ---- Messing Around !
Trust me, I'd love to see the 146 replaced with 319's or 737's - but I'll believe it when I see it.
Fiona,
Coming from our ops director that doesn't surprise me, the only thing is I can't believe he hasn't thought this one through. That's a large percentage that would be unhappy with 5% - we can't afford to loose any more pilots.
As for the 49% who voted Yes - well you can't blame them. The Balpa CC personally recommended this offer and put an argument forward for doing so ???
You answered that one yourself ---- Messing Around !
Trust me, I'd love to see the 146 replaced with 319's or 737's - but I'll believe it when I see it.
Fiona,
Coming from our ops director that doesn't surprise me, the only thing is I can't believe he hasn't thought this one through. That's a large percentage that would be unhappy with 5% - we can't afford to loose any more pilots.
As for the 49% who voted Yes - well you can't blame them. The Balpa CC personally recommended this offer and put an argument forward for doing so ???
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I wasn't insinuating that you leave the company, I was simply saying do what everyone else does.
EVERY TIME THE COMPANY TAKES YOUR LEAVE AWAY FROM YOU AND STAFF TRAVEL DON'T GIVE YOU YOUR ANNUAL FREE TICKETS AND WHEN THEY DON'T GIVE YOU A PROPER WAGE INCREASE AND WHEN THEY DON'T FEED YOU PROPERLY AND WHEN THEY IGNORE THE SENIORITY LIST.............SHOULD I GO ON??
TAKE A WEEK OFF SICK!! IT IS THAT SIMPLE
EVERY TIME THE COMPANY TAKES YOUR LEAVE AWAY FROM YOU AND STAFF TRAVEL DON'T GIVE YOU YOUR ANNUAL FREE TICKETS AND WHEN THEY DON'T GIVE YOU A PROPER WAGE INCREASE AND WHEN THEY DON'T FEED YOU PROPERLY AND WHEN THEY IGNORE THE SENIORITY LIST.............SHOULD I GO ON??
TAKE A WEEK OFF SICK!! IT IS THAT SIMPLE
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With regard to the pay offer a few years ago and the rather biased percentage rise between Turboprop and Jet. Well I think most Dash drivers accepted the offer as at the time we were being asked to fly an aircraft with 28 seats more than the "other" jet that we had (CRJ) and were also starting to fly into Europe. It seemed a little old hat to say a turbo guy got less cos they flew slower, smaller, lighter blah blah blah. So I don't think it was two fingers up at the 146 guys but a case of hang on guys, why are you (CRJ) being paid more than us for generally, a very similar responsibility. It is unfortunate that the CRJ was put in the same category as the 146. Maybe we should have done it all on amount of seats, that would have been fairer.
