Euromanx RJ Arrival...
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Euromanx RJ Arrival...
Since the original thread re Euromanx information seems to be residing on page three with a pretty picture of homer simpson alongside ( is it he who is holding it down there despite the recent posts - perhaps the mods could advise?)
I can report that the said RJ has not yet arrived , but on good authority ( not taxi drivers etc. ) is expected this week to complete crew training at Ronaldsway.
In the meantime "Euro" manx is an apt description in view of the assortment of A/C currently operating for 3W:
Scot Air D328
Octavia(france) Embraer Brasilia
Titan BAe 146
Woodgate Jetstream 31
Farnair (switzerland) Atr 42
Atlantic Atr 42
& Denim FK50.
Hope standardisation arrives soon.
I can report that the said RJ has not yet arrived , but on good authority ( not taxi drivers etc. ) is expected this week to complete crew training at Ronaldsway.
In the meantime "Euro" manx is an apt description in view of the assortment of A/C currently operating for 3W:
Scot Air D328
Octavia(france) Embraer Brasilia
Titan BAe 146
Woodgate Jetstream 31
Farnair (switzerland) Atr 42
Atlantic Atr 42
& Denim FK50.
Hope standardisation arrives soon.
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Lets hope things sort out quick. I was speaking to a couple trying to get to the IOM from BHD on Saturday, and were a bit bemused about the 3 hour delay considering the flight only lasted about quarter of an hour. Not entirely sure what time it went in the end, if it all?
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Good to see this thread has taken off exactly where the other one ended, although let's hope it lasts a lot less time and Euromanx actually becomes an airline soon 
The legacy of Euromanx's "ticket provider" era will be that they have proven how easy it is to set up a brand and start taking the public's money without officially being an airline and having gone through the due process of getting a licence, a model no doubt many like-minded wannabees will now seek to follow given the CAA's obvious lack of desire to do anything about it. And please don't retort with "easyjet did it with Ari Foyle" - there is a huge difference between leasing in anyone who has an available aircraft of any type and selling it as "Euromanx, a ticket provider for Rossair or Denim Air" and setting up a business with a clear objective, model and aircraft type as Easyjet did. I'm not knocking Euromanx - they have survived where many had them done for, but IOM passengers deserve better than this - hopefully with the arrival of the RJ's (eventually), they will get it.
The CAA have let this go too far to react now, as to do so would beg the question on why they didn't do it sooner. The Euromanx model is undoubtedly legal but certainly not in the spirit of whatever legislation it is based on. The precedent is now very clearly set.
Roll on the RJ's!!
The legacy of Euromanx's "ticket provider" era will be that they have proven how easy it is to set up a brand and start taking the public's money without officially being an airline and having gone through the due process of getting a licence, a model no doubt many like-minded wannabees will now seek to follow given the CAA's obvious lack of desire to do anything about it. And please don't retort with "easyjet did it with Ari Foyle" - there is a huge difference between leasing in anyone who has an available aircraft of any type and selling it as "Euromanx, a ticket provider for Rossair or Denim Air" and setting up a business with a clear objective, model and aircraft type as Easyjet did. I'm not knocking Euromanx - they have survived where many had them done for, but IOM passengers deserve better than this - hopefully with the arrival of the RJ's (eventually), they will get it.
The CAA have let this go too far to react now, as to do so would beg the question on why they didn't do it sooner. The Euromanx model is undoubtedly legal but certainly not in the spirit of whatever legislation it is based on. The precedent is now very clearly set.
Roll on the RJ's!!
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Have Euromanx cleared all their debts then? I was given to understand that was why they couldn't take delivery of the RJ on the island as it would be impounded due to non-payment of fees due to Rossair.
Mind you, with the amount of rumour flying around here, the reason could be anything.
Just hope they hurry up and get sorted. It would be nice to see them settled and the staff relatively secure in their jobs. And give proper competition to BA and Eastern - but not too much!!!
Have a fun Monday all
Skiddy
Mind you, with the amount of rumour flying around here, the reason could be anything.
Just hope they hurry up and get sorted. It would be nice to see them settled and the staff relatively secure in their jobs. And give proper competition to BA and Eastern - but not too much!!!
Have a fun Monday all
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Martyn - are you saying EM has an AOC? Don't believe it.
Lots of money flying around, no cash flow problems then, no problems getting fuel or paying leases, no problems paying bills, wonderful, wheel on the RJ's.
BTW could someone tell operations that a schedule is for sticking to, angry mob this morning trying to go to LCY but delayed for two hours, Friday night DUB-IOM pax held on the bus by the aircraft for 45 mins while the fuel truck arrived.
Still a lot to be learned about running an airline.
Radar -are you on something? falling it may be but not into place.
What's Thursday's big announcement, moving the airline to GWY?
Lots of money flying around, no cash flow problems then, no problems getting fuel or paying leases, no problems paying bills, wonderful, wheel on the RJ's.
BTW could someone tell operations that a schedule is for sticking to, angry mob this morning trying to go to LCY but delayed for two hours, Friday night DUB-IOM pax held on the bus by the aircraft for 45 mins while the fuel truck arrived.
Still a lot to be learned about running an airline.
Radar -are you on something? falling it may be but not into place.
What's Thursday's big announcement, moving the airline to GWY?
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A look at RR's profile might tell you a little about his enthusiasm!!! Anyway, getting the AoC will be peanuts in comparison to trying to fill the RJ with high yield pax day in day out !!! 
Just hope that all those Employees at EM are well looked after.......although will not hold my breath.
Just hope that all those Employees at EM are well looked after.......although will not hold my breath.
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Hansol,
Are you trynig to say airlines dont get delays or problems or god forbid the odd cancellation....I mean BACX would never cancel a flight due to a tiny bit of iom fog when eveyone else gets in and out ok?
Dont know what problem you have with euromanx, but as someone who is just about to start flying for them I find your whining unessessary and repetitve and very very boring.
Do me a favour and SHUT UP if you have nothing constructive to say.
Cheers
J S
Are you trynig to say airlines dont get delays or problems or god forbid the odd cancellation....I mean BACX would never cancel a flight due to a tiny bit of iom fog when eveyone else gets in and out ok?
Dont know what problem you have with euromanx, but as someone who is just about to start flying for them I find your whining unessessary and repetitve and very very boring.
Do me a favour and SHUT UP if you have nothing constructive to say.
Cheers
J S
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We can get crafty in the art of moderating and we do - especially when the thread goes wildly off track or bad feeling gets in or, worse still, people get abusive.
Not necessarily any of the above but the previous thread was getting repetetive and boring and in these cases we exercise some editorial stance - as we see fit.
Someone has actually put his finger on it. Describing how the thread is still going but Euromanx isn't, not yet anyway. We get comments thrown at us about boring threads and not always from the forum itself. So..................if we sense that a thread is going no-where we can effectively start of new one. Or we can just close it and invite someone to start another. Get the picture?
We got a lot of rubbish posts from some who think they are adding to the debate but are only adding to its demise.
This thread, any thread, is only as good as the inputs you make. Thinking up 'little gems' you THINK are real give no life to a thread at all.
Think before you post is always a good starting point.
Not necessarily any of the above but the previous thread was getting repetetive and boring and in these cases we exercise some editorial stance - as we see fit.
Someone has actually put his finger on it. Describing how the thread is still going but Euromanx isn't, not yet anyway. We get comments thrown at us about boring threads and not always from the forum itself. So..................if we sense that a thread is going no-where we can effectively start of new one. Or we can just close it and invite someone to start another. Get the picture?
We got a lot of rubbish posts from some who think they are adding to the debate but are only adding to its demise.
This thread, any thread, is only as good as the inputs you make. Thinking up 'little gems' you THINK are real give no life to a thread at all.
Think before you post is always a good starting point.
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Hear we go again......another 3W thread soured with your bitterness. What is it with you! Talking to taxi drivers again are we? Why is it always so personal? So it hasn't run to schedule....and...
Hear we go again......another 3W thread soured with your bitterness. What is it with you! Talking to taxi drivers again are we? Why is it always so personal? So it hasn't run to schedule....and...
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Morning
Hansol-
Yes I said EMX had an AoC as thats what I saw posted above, and nobody said they didnt up until your post. So if I am wrong my apologies.
Lets keep this civil I was only trying to lighten up the tension!!
RR
Hansol-
Yes I said EMX had an AoC as thats what I saw posted above, and nobody said they didnt up until your post. So if I am wrong my apologies.
Lets keep this civil I was only trying to lighten up the tension!!
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Ronaldsway Radar, didn't think I was being uncivil.
I don't think anywhere on this forum has it been stated that EM has an AOC , there is lots of talk of them operating under somebody else's ie Austria. But I would be very interested if you could confirm an AOC with EM's name on it, and the country from which it was issued. If they do have one this could be the first sign that they are serious about becoming a real airline.
The last I heard the RJ's were Irish registered so perhaps its an Irish AOC, is it ?
Jem Star great to hear you are about to start flying for EM. Will you be flying a EM owned aircraft or as part of a lease in?
I hope the above are reasonable questions.
I don't think anywhere on this forum has it been stated that EM has an AOC , there is lots of talk of them operating under somebody else's ie Austria. But I would be very interested if you could confirm an AOC with EM's name on it, and the country from which it was issued. If they do have one this could be the first sign that they are serious about becoming a real airline.
The last I heard the RJ's were Irish registered so perhaps its an Irish AOC, is it ?
Jem Star great to hear you are about to start flying for EM. Will you be flying a EM owned aircraft or as part of a lease in?
I hope the above are reasonable questions.
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Euromanx RJ arrived !!!
RR
Would that be the RJ that looks very much like a Titan 146-200,or the D328J that looks like an ATR(Farnair or Atlantic)or the DH8-3/2
looking awfully like a Metroliner/J31/ERJ120 or the SAAB in similar guise.
Read the new IOM Airports Info and timetable,it's a cracking work of fiction,better than any Harry Potter.Why,when they were submitting their programme,didn't 3W come clean and put EQV alongside all of their services.
I don't believe that they are doing themselves any good continually failing to deliver the goods.Even the most diehard Manxie must be disappointed by continually being addressed on board by some dubious accents!!
Any arrival now of an aircraft in 3W livery is surely too late.
Would that be the RJ that looks very much like a Titan 146-200,or the D328J that looks like an ATR(Farnair or Atlantic)or the DH8-3/2
looking awfully like a Metroliner/J31/ERJ120 or the SAAB in similar guise.
Read the new IOM Airports Info and timetable,it's a cracking work of fiction,better than any Harry Potter.Why,when they were submitting their programme,didn't 3W come clean and put EQV alongside all of their services.
I don't believe that they are doing themselves any good continually failing to deliver the goods.Even the most diehard Manxie must be disappointed by continually being addressed on board by some dubious accents!!
Any arrival now of an aircraft in 3W livery is surely too late.
Paxing All Over The World
Slight thread diversion: It looks as if I need to get to the Island from LPL in June, instead of my regular LTN. Are you indicating that 3W are not always reliable on schedule? I am not that bothered if it's EQV for such a short hop. However, I may be travelling on the last of the day and would be more than a little troubled by a cancellation. Obviously, there are always untoward happenings but is the route constantly experiencing delays?
What are Emerald like on the route? Do they run the ATP? Their web site does not give EQU details.
The last time I did this hop was in a Shorts Shed about 14 years ago, as I recall. Was that still Manx Airways?
Thanks.
What are Emerald like on the route? Do they run the ATP? Their web site does not give EQU details.
The last time I did this hop was in a Shorts Shed about 14 years ago, as I recall. Was that still Manx Airways?
Thanks.
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Yeah would have been Manx.
Last few times I flew (passenger) Iom-LPL-Iom I used FlyJem. Never been delayed once, might just be my good luck!
Although, the prices for euromanx return trip to liverpool, are, very cheap....!
Reliability; or fare price;.......................up to you............
RR
Yeah would have been Manx.
Last few times I flew (passenger) Iom-LPL-Iom I used FlyJem. Never been delayed once, might just be my good luck!
Although, the prices for euromanx return trip to liverpool, are, very cheap....!
Reliability; or fare price;.......................up to you............
RR
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Thanks RR: Interestingly, looking online tonight at EuroManx and Emerald, for the same day, Emerald are cheaper and their schedule looks as it will be better suited to me. Sorry to verify, are they operating ATPs on that route? Possibly taken over from BACX when they shed the routes the did not want?