Euromanx RJ Arrival...
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I have been in this business for some time, actually a very long time. I have long since realised that spotters and enthusiasts have a little too much imagination and not enough grass root knowledge of the airline industry. It is a complex industry and takes a lot of money and good people to make an airline work. I think too many of you are jumping to too many wrong conclusions.
I am certain there is much going on in the background, there always is, and I am equally sure that EuroManx will perform as expected when all the pieces (not misplaced by them) are in place.
Remember, a little knowledge is a danergous thing.
I am certain there is much going on in the background, there always is, and I am equally sure that EuroManx will perform as expected when all the pieces (not misplaced by them) are in place.
Remember, a little knowledge is a danergous thing.
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Two of Euromanx's RJ's are sat here on the Flybe engineering ramp at Exeter in full Euromanx colour's and irish registered - they've been sat here for the over a month with not a lot happening to them...
One wonder's if they ever will be delivered......
W.G
One wonder's if they ever will be delivered......
W.G
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Now that is strange.According to impeccable information in my possession EI - CPK departed Nottingham ( East Midlands) airport at 1417 on 18th March and arrived at Exeter an hour later having been delivered to Nottingham East Midlands on 8th March at 1710 for painting in Euromanx colours.My sources suggest that the sojourn in Exeter may not be for much longer.
Now that is strange.According to impeccable information in my possession EI - CPK departed Nottingham ( East Midlands) airport at 1417 on 18th March and arrived at Exeter an hour later having been delivered to Nottingham East Midlands on 8th March at 1710 for painting in Euromanx colours.My sources suggest that the sojourn in Exeter may not be for much longer.
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The real problem with EM is one of PR, they made promises that they could not deliver, I agree this is a complex business and managing your customers expectations is one of the more complex areas.
The broken promises are a fact but everyone on the Island still wants them to succeed.
The worse thing that could happen now would be for the RJ's promised for the IOM to be used exclusively on the GWY routes, many who have given strong support over the last few months would feel betrayed.
EM is a great opportunity for its new owner, but the travelling public need to be treated with respect especially on such a small Island where secrets are few.
The broken promises are a fact but everyone on the Island still wants them to succeed.
The worse thing that could happen now would be for the RJ's promised for the IOM to be used exclusively on the GWY routes, many who have given strong support over the last few months would feel betrayed.
EM is a great opportunity for its new owner, but the travelling public need to be treated with respect especially on such a small Island where secrets are few.
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I notice the map says Galway to Paris will be via IOM whilst the schedules say nothing about Paris and the press release says it will be direct from Galway. So it looks like we are about to see an announcement of Galway to Isle of Man and Galway to Paris, and ditto for Vienna and Dusseldorf, both to be served out of Southampton.
Ambitious but ultimately deliverable if they get themselves sorted. Good luck to all involved - like most on this site (and the IOM), I really hope it works out for them.
Ambitious but ultimately deliverable if they get themselves sorted. Good luck to all involved - like most on this site (and the IOM), I really hope it works out for them.
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Yes, puzzling indeed . The new map on the website shows a Galway - Isle of man link, yet no mention of it in the schedules.
Even more strange, if you hover over Paris on the map , it does indeed say "Galway to Paris via Isle of Man" .
When does the Isle of Man to Paris schedule start ?
Even more strange, if you hover over Paris on the map , it does indeed say "Galway to Paris via Isle of Man" .
When does the Isle of Man to Paris schedule start ?
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Who needs a flight plan?
An interesting, if rather disturbing, conversation with ATC happened this morning. Not for the first time, a Denim Air pilot (a Euromanx Liverpool flight) was informed by ATC that no flight plan had been submitted by his company. The pilot then asked a rather bemused ATC whether he could depart as a pleasure flight (without submitting a flight plan), and then divert to Liverpool. His request was accepted.
Worrying!
Worrying!
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I dont want to waffle on too much on this well debaited subject. As mentioned there has been a lot of media attention regarding the RJ. Manx Radio and the local papers have been running stories as early as November last year. The first jet was supposed to be here in Jan to take on the LCY route with the second arriving in march i think for the MAN route.
One of my friends has trained as CC and been sat on the ground for the past two months since passing exams. Hope the waiting for the crews to start working doesnt go on much longer.
I too hope that euromanx makes a sucessful go of it and keeps on flying the flag for the IOM and maybe even a job for me!!
One of my friends has trained as CC and been sat on the ground for the past two months since passing exams. Hope the waiting for the crews to start working doesnt go on much longer.
I too hope that euromanx makes a sucessful go of it and keeps on flying the flag for the IOM and maybe even a job for me!!
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Today was supposed to be the day,but it came as no surprise that no RJ appeared.
Looks increasingly likely that GWY will see the RJ first.Word is from Denim guys that they could be here until June!!Farnair could be the same.
I think that the best use for the camera is to go and take pictures of RJ crews' gardens,they must be truly stunning by now.
Euromanx's web page has 3 RJ's in simulated line-up,could this be part of tomorrows announcement??
Saw 2 BA 146's at Ronaldsway the other day,any significance!!
best to all.
Looks increasingly likely that GWY will see the RJ first.Word is from Denim guys that they could be here until June!!Farnair could be the same.
I think that the best use for the camera is to go and take pictures of RJ crews' gardens,they must be truly stunning by now.
Euromanx's web page has 3 RJ's in simulated line-up,could this be part of tomorrows announcement??
Saw 2 BA 146's at Ronaldsway the other day,any significance!!
best to all.
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Eurobitch, thankyou for you earlier reply.
You are incorrect. At least one pilot, who used to fly a Navajo, who has been accepted by EM to fly the RJ as a F/O, has had his course delayed by two months. EMs publicity surrounding the arrival of these aircraft can best be described as erroneous.
The speciousness of the whole setup is breathtaking.
You are incorrect. At least one pilot, who used to fly a Navajo, who has been accepted by EM to fly the RJ as a F/O, has had his course delayed by two months. EMs publicity surrounding the arrival of these aircraft can best be described as erroneous.
The speciousness of the whole setup is breathtaking.
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Please feel free to pop around tho' there's not much in the garden to see as yet. However, the grass will need cutting by the weekend if you have nothing else planned.
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Please feel free to pop around tho' there's not much in the garden to see as yet. However, the grass will need cutting by the weekend if you have nothing else planned.
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Just heard announcment on Manx Radio that EuroManx are opening a route to Paris CDG and you've guessed it they are going to be operating the promised RJ...... EM said that they were expecting delivery anyday now. Lets hope the Jet turns up so the crews can get out of the garden!!
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If its anything like the 82 seat "RJ" doing the Manchester Route then it'll actually be a 18 seat Loveair Jetstream 31! Or perhaps it'll be the "RJ" doing the London City route, in which case Air Atlantiques ATR 42 unless your lucky and get the Flightline or Titan 146
Heard a rumour that Euromanx have employed some ex Manx Airlines ops guys and that at long last flight planning and related messaging is starting to be done by their ops department and not poor old Ronaldsway ATC, it's only taken them over two years!!!
Heard a rumour that Euromanx have employed some ex Manx Airlines ops guys and that at long last flight planning and related messaging is starting to be done by their ops department and not poor old Ronaldsway ATC, it's only taken them over two years!!!
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Flew back onto IOM today,BACX from MAN,fairly full BACX-8,no sign of 3W-8 or RJ at MAN!!
Apparently from tomorrow you will need a gardener as RJ is scheduled to arrive,is that 4 months behind schedule?
Anyway after a weeks C/T its off to GWY to operate GWY-IOM-LCY,EI reg.RJ on Austrian AOC,majic!!
Looks as though someone may have led those poor GWY folk up the garden path with tales of direct flights GWY-LCY!!
I can recommend a good gardener.
Apparently from tomorrow you will need a gardener as RJ is scheduled to arrive,is that 4 months behind schedule?
Anyway after a weeks C/T its off to GWY to operate GWY-IOM-LCY,EI reg.RJ on Austrian AOC,majic!!
Looks as though someone may have led those poor GWY folk up the garden path with tales of direct flights GWY-LCY!!
I can recommend a good gardener.
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Pprune Pop.
The mods on Pprune do a great job, of that there is no doubt. Their integrity is normally unchallenged. Their inpartiallity should go without saying.
There has been nothing untoward in the posts on this thread, nothing slanderous or nasty, or, unusually for pprune, nothing without foundation.
The RJs were supposed to arrive months ago, and as yet aren't here - you promise and fail to deliver, expect some flack.
Also, persons within the EM organisation have used these boards to criticise the competition, such as Emerald with wild stories about safety and financial security, with little or no moderation.
Why the moderator inputs now ??.
The mods on Pprune do a great job, of that there is no doubt. Their integrity is normally unchallenged. Their inpartiallity should go without saying.
There has been nothing untoward in the posts on this thread, nothing slanderous or nasty, or, unusually for pprune, nothing without foundation.
The RJs were supposed to arrive months ago, and as yet aren't here - you promise and fail to deliver, expect some flack.
Also, persons within the EM organisation have used these boards to criticise the competition, such as Emerald with wild stories about safety and financial security, with little or no moderation.
Why the moderator inputs now ??.
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I watch on with interest.
Please note for those easily offended that the following words constitute a question, not a "cheap snipe"
Given that we are 4 days from the start of the Galway schedules, have Euromanx enough RJ rated crew available to man 2 RJ70's ( 1 GWY based, 1 IOM based) for full days ops presumably meaning at least 3 crews at each base ?????? (<- question marks).
Please note for those easily offended that the following words constitute a question, not a "cheap snipe"
Given that we are 4 days from the start of the Galway schedules, have Euromanx enough RJ rated crew available to man 2 RJ70's ( 1 GWY based, 1 IOM based) for full days ops presumably meaning at least 3 crews at each base ?????? (<- question marks).