Jet2 in chaos
I wouldn't say 23% for Gatwick is "not bad for start up". 23% is fundamentally effing awful, regardless of whether you're starting up or not.
Still, they should have listened and done LBA-LGW instead.
Still, they should have listened and done LBA-LGW instead.
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I agree 23% - ridiculous.
50% - rubbish
63% - s**te
78% is the only descent figure there.
Break it down into a mean figure - 53.5%
That is not exactly a 'not bad startup', its a little poor!
Hopefully things will work out for them
50% - rubbish
63% - s**te
78% is the only descent figure there.
Break it down into a mean figure - 53.5%
That is not exactly a 'not bad startup', its a little poor!
Hopefully things will work out for them
63% isn't a bad start!!! 2/3rds full isn't to be sniffed at.
It is dependant on the yield whether it's a good 63% or a so/so 63%.
Is the fact that any new start up loco gets a lot of gloom and doom posted on here anything to do with people working for established locos trying to preserve their patch?
I agree that 23% is very poor.........plenty of room to improve is the positive way to look at it!
It is dependant on the yield whether it's a good 63% or a so/so 63%.
Is the fact that any new start up loco gets a lot of gloom and doom posted on here anything to do with people working for established locos trying to preserve their patch?
I agree that 23% is very poor.........plenty of room to improve is the positive way to look at it!
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woptd - Unlike you to have a snipe at any to do with Channel Express. Not bitter about something in the past are we?
Answering your question long enough.
True aircraft are aged so what as long as pax get from A to B.
"Anyway Gimp me boy the BOH HQ won't last much longer"
I have worked in the industry long enough to realise you have to be flexible. If the HQ moves you dont have too... Plenty of jobs out there, but is the grass going to be greener?
At least I will be able to get a decent head on my pint.
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Answering your question long enough.
True aircraft are aged so what as long as pax get from A to B.
"Anyway Gimp me boy the BOH HQ won't last much longer"
I have worked in the industry long enough to realise you have to be flexible. If the HQ moves you dont have too... Plenty of jobs out there, but is the grass going to be greener?
At least I will be able to get a decent head on my pint.
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The above load factors are indeed a bit on the low side, but isn't that normal during this time of year? Also remember they have just started operating.
I also think that load factors in itself do not tell the whole story. If they only need to fill 60% or so, then they can be making profit if they have very low costs.
Does anybody know what would be a typical load factor for a carrier such as Jet2 to break even?
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I also think that load factors in itself do not tell the whole story. If they only need to fill 60% or so, then they can be making profit if they have very low costs.
Does anybody know what would be a typical load factor for a carrier such as Jet2 to break even?
Jan
I've flown four times with Jet2 ex MAN. Check in staff & cabin crew have always been helpful & cheery, far more customer friendly than many other UK operators I could mention. All flights on time.
Also flown on the MAN -EDI route which was about 50% full both ways, that's not bad for the first week of ops. The EDI aircraft was a combi & showed its age a bit. At the front, noise from the air con and / or door seals made the pa announcements almost inaudible. Mid cabin was OK.
They seem to have launched the more difficult routes first, but I'm sure once the full Spanish/Portugese/Italian routes get going they will be fine.
BTW they don't charge extra for exit seats like Monarch & Baby.
Also flown on the MAN -EDI route which was about 50% full both ways, that's not bad for the first week of ops. The EDI aircraft was a combi & showed its age a bit. At the front, noise from the air con and / or door seals made the pa announcements almost inaudible. Mid cabin was OK.
They seem to have launched the more difficult routes first, but I'm sure once the full Spanish/Portugese/Italian routes get going they will be fine.
BTW they don't charge extra for exit seats like Monarch & Baby.
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So, the Gatwick flights were only on sale from the beginning of December, and started to operate the route from mid January only 5 or 6 weeks ago. Do you honestly think they will have 100% load factors by now?
Errr....Don't think so. BA are the only airline who fly to LGW from MAN so it will take time for pax awareness. I believe Jet2 LGW loads ARE creeping up from when they first started to operate. Give it another few month and they'll be an improvement.
A lot of people have a lot of good things to say about Jet2 and their passengers ARE pleased with the product.
Errr....Don't think so. BA are the only airline who fly to LGW from MAN so it will take time for pax awareness. I believe Jet2 LGW loads ARE creeping up from when they first started to operate. Give it another few month and they'll be an improvement.
A lot of people have a lot of good things to say about Jet2 and their passengers ARE pleased with the product.
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It does not matter what the load factor is, it is the yield that counts.
Any one can fill an aircraft up to a 100% load factor; it is the amount of money being charged for the tickets that you are selling which counts.
Any one can fill an aircraft up to a 100% load factor; it is the amount of money being charged for the tickets that you are selling which counts.
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Lets face reality. If those load factors are correct they are seriously bad. Before the advent of low cost travel, airlines worked on a break even factor of 65%. Now they work on 80%. I accept airlines will make a loss at this time of the year but with those figures the company must be worried. They are in trouble there is no doubt about that, not just with loads but I believe they are unable to get Captains to fly their aircraft. If that is true I can see an early exit from MAN.
Exrotary, I apologise if i cause undue worry.
In terms of location, with regard to its operation, Channels HQ IS in the wrong place.
For instance it has a large spares holding at BOH with aircraft at its two largest stations LBA & MAN, respectively,270 & 220 miles distant.EMA 180 & STN 150. The transport charges incurred are large also the lead time to position spares could cause loss of flights. Large numbers of personnel are constantly moving between BOH & points north. Courses & training costs at BOH are increased by accommodation costs & daily expenses.
PM has positioned us as "the norths favourite airline". This is obviously only conjecture on my part ,but i believe at some indeterminate point in the future it will happen.
Gimp , my personal unhappiness has its roots in the 'very' recent past & present.
Channels load factors & customer service do not impinge daily upon my consciousness but how i am treated as a person certainly does.
In terms of location, with regard to its operation, Channels HQ IS in the wrong place.
For instance it has a large spares holding at BOH with aircraft at its two largest stations LBA & MAN, respectively,270 & 220 miles distant.EMA 180 & STN 150. The transport charges incurred are large also the lead time to position spares could cause loss of flights. Large numbers of personnel are constantly moving between BOH & points north. Courses & training costs at BOH are increased by accommodation costs & daily expenses.
PM has positioned us as "the norths favourite airline". This is obviously only conjecture on my part ,but i believe at some indeterminate point in the future it will happen.
Gimp , my personal unhappiness has its roots in the 'very' recent past & present.
Channels load factors & customer service do not impinge daily upon my consciousness but how i am treated as a person certainly does.
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OK then. So they started to operate their MAN base in December.
What do you think the load factors/yield should be at this stage of their operation?
Is anyone actually commercially qualified to answer this question rather than just having an opinion?
What is the yield on the routes they are operating, to-date and forcast?
Is it not normal to test the market on new routes and if they don't work then pull them and move to something else?
Some facts would be nice rather than just unqualified opinions!
What do you think the load factors/yield should be at this stage of their operation?
Is anyone actually commercially qualified to answer this question rather than just having an opinion?
What is the yield on the routes they are operating, to-date and forcast?
Is it not normal to test the market on new routes and if they don't work then pull them and move to something else?
Some facts would be nice rather than just unqualified opinions!
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The list of those sh*fted by PM and his cronies is long and distinguished, welcome aboard!
And for the gimp.... we'll be seeing you in the not too distant future I'm sure, think you're getting near the two year mark now so it won't be long.
The list of those sh*fted by PM and his cronies is long and distinguished, welcome aboard!
And for the gimp.... we'll be seeing you in the not too distant future I'm sure, think you're getting near the two year mark now so it won't be long.
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I don't think it is normal to "test routes and then pull off if they don't work"
normally an airline will have done a good deal of market research and route costings to see if they believe a route is viable between A and B. Of course if the research is wrong then the route might be pulled....
normally an airline will have done a good deal of market research and route costings to see if they believe a route is viable between A and B. Of course if the research is wrong then the route might be pulled....
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Audreyslackey! I wondered how long it would be before you started to slag off Jet2/Channel Express!
Short memory havent you!!! You left us because someone more capable than you got the job you where after! tut tut sour grapes me thinks!
As for BOH HQ, Globespan have their HQ at STN over 350 miles from their nearest aircraft!
Soon a Jet2.com aircraft will touch down at BOH everyday so I think that I will be 150 yards away from one of our 737 classics! rather than miles!.
Ps no one is leaving, load factors are getting better everyday and you dont work for us anymore! enough said!
SL..... here we go.....................!
Short memory havent you!!! You left us because someone more capable than you got the job you where after! tut tut sour grapes me thinks!
As for BOH HQ, Globespan have their HQ at STN over 350 miles from their nearest aircraft!
Soon a Jet2.com aircraft will touch down at BOH everyday so I think that I will be 150 yards away from one of our 737 classics! rather than miles!.
Ps no one is leaving, load factors are getting better everyday and you dont work for us anymore! enough said!
SL..... here we go.....................!