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My point is that BRS pax numbers have not declined on the routes started from EXT, in fact the reverse in most cases.
Now obviously I cannot say that individual people have not switched their travelling to EXT, I am sure some have, but overall EXT has thus far prospered as well as its neighbour.
I take your point about the habits of some pax in search of a 'bargain', and we know the LCC genre generates pax who would not have flown at all.
For example, when easyJet had two daily rotations from BRS to AMS last year in competition with KLM's four, the total monthly passenger numbers for both airlines were approaching 30,000. When easy dropped one of the rotations monthly figures reduced by around 7,000-8,000. The KLM rotations remain but the 'lost' easy passengers have not all flocked to that carrier.
Interestingly, easy hinted at the time of reducing their AMS schedules (BRS was not the only easy airport to suffer a reduction) that Schipol costs were the reason. Yet Flybe appear able to absorb them if the newspaper article quoted by Devonair is accurate.
There is an interesting article in today's Bristol evening newspaper that suggests Macquarie Airports are now firm favourites to purchase Exeter Airport.
An 'industry insider' is quoted as saying that Macquarie, who own Bristol Airport together with the Spanish Ferrovial company, are concerned that Bristol's physical limitations will not permit all of the expected massive growth there over the next decade.
They are therefore looking to use EXT as a sort of 'overspill' (my words) and one scenario sees one of the airports (presumably EXT) used primarily for charter traffic and the other for scheduled stuff, although it is not suggested the two would be mutually exclusive.
If there was a common owner for both EXT and BRS it ought to produce exciting possibilities for the entire Southwest region.
My point is that BRS pax numbers have not declined on the routes started from EXT, in fact the reverse in most cases.
Now obviously I cannot say that individual people have not switched their travelling to EXT, I am sure some have, but overall EXT has thus far prospered as well as its neighbour.
I take your point about the habits of some pax in search of a 'bargain', and we know the LCC genre generates pax who would not have flown at all.
For example, when easyJet had two daily rotations from BRS to AMS last year in competition with KLM's four, the total monthly passenger numbers for both airlines were approaching 30,000. When easy dropped one of the rotations monthly figures reduced by around 7,000-8,000. The KLM rotations remain but the 'lost' easy passengers have not all flocked to that carrier.
Interestingly, easy hinted at the time of reducing their AMS schedules (BRS was not the only easy airport to suffer a reduction) that Schipol costs were the reason. Yet Flybe appear able to absorb them if the newspaper article quoted by Devonair is accurate.
There is an interesting article in today's Bristol evening newspaper that suggests Macquarie Airports are now firm favourites to purchase Exeter Airport.
An 'industry insider' is quoted as saying that Macquarie, who own Bristol Airport together with the Spanish Ferrovial company, are concerned that Bristol's physical limitations will not permit all of the expected massive growth there over the next decade.
They are therefore looking to use EXT as a sort of 'overspill' (my words) and one scenario sees one of the airports (presumably EXT) used primarily for charter traffic and the other for scheduled stuff, although it is not suggested the two would be mutually exclusive.
If there was a common owner for both EXT and BRS it ought to produce exciting possibilities for the entire Southwest region.
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Not convinced by the dual airport approach. Can you think of other examples where it has worked successfully? Also Devon County Council will be looking for different things to Bristol/Avon (or whatever it is these days).
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CAA provisional stats for August in respect of most UK airports are published today.
EXT carried 100,557 pax last month, up 36.3% on the previous August, obviously their best ever monthly figures.
Figures for the rolling 12 months til the end of August are 771,479, up 46.3% on the figures a year ago.
The million figure cannot be too far away- some time in the first half of next year?
EXT carried 100,557 pax last month, up 36.3% on the previous August, obviously their best ever monthly figures.
Figures for the rolling 12 months til the end of August are 771,479, up 46.3% on the figures a year ago.
The million figure cannot be too far away- some time in the first half of next year?
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I think that's why the owners of BRS want to get their hands on it.
Not to run it down or subordinate it to BRS as some in the far south west seem to think (hence the current OFT enquiry into the proposed sale), but to run the airports as complements.
In June BRS went through the 500,000 monthly barrier for the first time and now EXT has breached the 100,000.
The BRS figures are holding up well on the routes on which EXT has competed over the past year or two, so there is plenty of room for development at the three main airports of the government's south west region, the third being BOH which carried over 97,000 pax in August (up 100%) for a rolling 12 months of just under 700,000 (up 42%). With PLH and NQY providing important niche routes the air services in this part of the world are bouyant at the moment.
For some reason SOU is not in the official south west region, although BOH is.
I think that's why the owners of BRS want to get their hands on it.
Not to run it down or subordinate it to BRS as some in the far south west seem to think (hence the current OFT enquiry into the proposed sale), but to run the airports as complements.
In June BRS went through the 500,000 monthly barrier for the first time and now EXT has breached the 100,000.
The BRS figures are holding up well on the routes on which EXT has competed over the past year or two, so there is plenty of room for development at the three main airports of the government's south west region, the third being BOH which carried over 97,000 pax in August (up 100%) for a rolling 12 months of just under 700,000 (up 42%). With PLH and NQY providing important niche routes the air services in this part of the world are bouyant at the moment.
For some reason SOU is not in the official south west region, although BOH is.
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Neither of which are in the South West.
The government south west region consists of Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, Dorset, including Bournemouth and Poole, the constituents of the former county of Avon, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall and Isles of Scilly.
As Wycombe points out that's why BOH is in the southwest region but not SOU.
Ideally each sub region would have its own airport.
NQY for Cornwall. EXT for Devon and south Somerset with PLH providing a local back-up service. BOH for Dorset and parts of Wiltshire. BRS for the rest.
Would be lovely but as we know life's not like that.
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Rather than start a new thread ...
Visited EXT today (19th) for the first time to drop my mother off for a FlyBe to LPL. A rather nice little place you have there!!
When the check-in agent said that their might be delays, it was clearly the usual (I know there are delays but if I tell you, you will ask me questions to which I do not know the answer and will delay me more)
The delay is announced on the PA "For operational reasons" which leaves one wondering if they are consolidating flights or have a machine gone tech. Then a human being advises there was bad fog and all early rotations delayed with subsequent knock-on. One always wonders why the PA did not say 'Fog'!! Anyway, only an hour's delay and she made the connection back to the IOM.
By the way, I am fairly sure that I accurately identified the Hunter that landed (late morning) but could not i.d the black painted ex-mil G-VETA?
Thanks
Visited EXT today (19th) for the first time to drop my mother off for a FlyBe to LPL. A rather nice little place you have there!!
When the check-in agent said that their might be delays, it was clearly the usual (I know there are delays but if I tell you, you will ask me questions to which I do not know the answer and will delay me more)
The delay is announced on the PA "For operational reasons" which leaves one wondering if they are consolidating flights or have a machine gone tech. Then a human being advises there was bad fog and all early rotations delayed with subsequent knock-on. One always wonders why the PA did not say 'Fog'!! Anyway, only an hour's delay and she made the connection back to the IOM.
By the way, I am fairly sure that I accurately identified the Hunter that landed (late morning) but could not i.d the black painted ex-mil G-VETA?
Thanks
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As I am in Australia at the moment (and have been since January) can anyone tell me if the terminal front has been completed yet? They were bringing it forward 10 metres, putting in a lift and doing a few other things. It was meant to be completed in July but the website doesn't mention anything.
