Any new routes for Cork anytime soon?
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Any new routes for Cork anytime soon?
Any more news on new routes etc??
We have had FR to LPL, EZY to LGW and JET2 to BRS.
Heard here before that Malev were looking at doing a daily to BUD aka Ceczh airlines to PRG???
Is there gonna be charter airlines to USA for the summer.....
We have had FR to LPL, EZY to LGW and JET2 to BRS.
Heard here before that Malev were looking at doing a daily to BUD aka Ceczh airlines to PRG???
Is there gonna be charter airlines to USA for the summer.....
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No other details to hand but negotiations are still continuing for some more new routes.
Hopefully, we should get to know more soon.
For a start a good save would be to hang on to the Thomsonfly service from Coventry even if the result would be a less than daily flight as it is now.
Aer Arann talking of upping it's services by 25 per cent. Does this suggest a new aircraft or is it a case of comin' out fightin'!?
Hopefully, we should get to know more soon.
For a start a good save would be to hang on to the Thomsonfly service from Coventry even if the result would be a less than daily flight as it is now.
Aer Arann talking of upping it's services by 25 per cent. Does this suggest a new aircraft or is it a case of comin' out fightin'!?
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Are Jet2 about to start BRS? Or is that a typo for BFS?
Really think we need more that Aer Arann's occasional flight on this route. Especially as Air Wales can maintain a daily service to PLH which has a tiny catchment area in comparison to BRS. Don't think easy will do ith though as Ryanair would be sure to react.
Really think we need more that Aer Arann's occasional flight on this route. Especially as Air Wales can maintain a daily service to PLH which has a tiny catchment area in comparison to BRS. Don't think easy will do ith though as Ryanair would be sure to react.
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Sorry Devonair, it was a typo on my behalf, should be BFS 
There isn't exactly the "occsional Aer Arann flight on this route"
They operate weekdays only x2 daily to BHD. One in the morning and another in the evening. Handy for business people etc.
Hardly an occasional flight
I couldn't honestly see how this route coud cope with anymore increase in frequency. Definately if RE had a weekend flight it would capture more of the leisure market
There isn't exactly the "occsional Aer Arann flight on this route"
They operate weekdays only x2 daily to BHD. One in the morning and another in the evening. Handy for business people etc.
Hardly an occasional flight
I couldn't honestly see how this route coud cope with anymore increase in frequency. Definately if RE had a weekend flight it would capture more of the leisure market
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I was actually referring to the occasional ORK - BRS service. I am aware the ORK - BHD service is twice daily weekdays. It would be nice to have more options from BRS (or EXT) to Ireland other than DUB and BFS/BHD.
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Welcome. Good to have another poster from the southwest.
There has been quite a lot of discussion regarding the BRS-ORK route in this forum during the past few months.
Aer Arann initially operated a BRS-ORK rotation each day except Saturdays then, at the beginning of summer 2004, reduced it to Tu, Th and Sun only. CAA stats showed loadings to be very good (and they remain so on the reduced weekly schedule) but of course we don't know the yields. However, fares were/are never 'low cost' so we must assume they made a good contribution to route costs.
I contacted Bristol Airport when the reduced schedules were announced and was informed that the airport would be looking to obtain another carrier if the original schedule was not reinstated. It hasn't been for the winter and, thus far, there has been no news of any replacement/rival carrier.
Some of us amateurs wonder whether Air Southwest might be interested, but they might have to start the route from BRS given that Air Wales already operates to ORK from PLH, as you have said.
The last thread that discussed BRS-ORK is at this link. There are other threads and a BRS-ORK-Aer Arann search on this forum's search box should find them if you are interested.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...+ork+aer+arann
Welcome. Good to have another poster from the southwest.
There has been quite a lot of discussion regarding the BRS-ORK route in this forum during the past few months.
Aer Arann initially operated a BRS-ORK rotation each day except Saturdays then, at the beginning of summer 2004, reduced it to Tu, Th and Sun only. CAA stats showed loadings to be very good (and they remain so on the reduced weekly schedule) but of course we don't know the yields. However, fares were/are never 'low cost' so we must assume they made a good contribution to route costs.
I contacted Bristol Airport when the reduced schedules were announced and was informed that the airport would be looking to obtain another carrier if the original schedule was not reinstated. It hasn't been for the winter and, thus far, there has been no news of any replacement/rival carrier.
Some of us amateurs wonder whether Air Southwest might be interested, but they might have to start the route from BRS given that Air Wales already operates to ORK from PLH, as you have said.
The last thread that discussed BRS-ORK is at this link. There are other threads and a BRS-ORK-Aer Arann search on this forum's search box should find them if you are interested.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...+ork+aer+arann
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I hope Aer Arann will reinstate the daily service for the summer. I never really new why they cut it back. I used to live and work in Ireland and have spoken to them about their UK services at great length. It seems they saw greater potential on Breton and French routes from Waterford and Galway. They are a Galway Airline (their MD is from there) so may be they feel there services are always under threat in Cork from budget airlines. At least with GWY (despite being only 90 KM from SNN) they know because of the runway length they have a loyal captive audience. I know that their GWY-WAT-LRT has done tremendously well for them with loads of over 90%. It will be interesting to see what happens. Maybe WOW would consider BRS-EXT-ORK?
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Yes, looks like a a deal has been struck to keep TOM on CVT-SNN. Would love to know the story there! Cannot see Cork pax driving to SNN for the short flight to the CVT as the drive up would be longer than the flight!
TOM would clearly being doing a lot better on their CVT-ORK if the timings had been better thought out. Guess they all ready know everything about the aviation business! Ah, well, I am sure FR and BEE will be very interested in how TOM do on CVT-SNN!
TOM would clearly being doing a lot better on their CVT-ORK if the timings had been better thought out. Guess they all ready know everything about the aviation business! Ah, well, I am sure FR and BEE will be very interested in how TOM do on CVT-SNN!
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Hi Lads, how did/know that TOM have "struck a deal" to keep the SNN to CVT route and Cork is going to be dropped??
Any time lines on this??
Are SNN paying TOM €1.50 for every passenger they land aka their deal with FR?
Any time lines on this??
Are SNN paying TOM €1.50 for every passenger they land aka their deal with FR?
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agree with your comments re BHD - if RE were to add a Sat or Sun rotation or preferably both, this would see off any challenge from Jet2 - can't help feeling the Jet2 won't last from BFS - wrong timings and wrong aircraft type for what is a fairly thin route!
Really can't see them making a satisfactory yield unless they push up the fares which will make them uncompetitive against RE.
agree with your comments re BHD - if RE were to add a Sat or Sun rotation or preferably both, this would see off any challenge from Jet2 - can't help feeling the Jet2 won't last from BFS - wrong timings and wrong aircraft type for what is a fairly thin route!
Really can't see them making a satisfactory yield unless they push up the fares which will make them uncompetitive against RE.
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ALLMCC - so lets get this straight, you want to remove healthy competition thus removing competitive pricing thus the fare paying public pay more for air travel.........you, I presume would prefer to see a monopoly on such routes?
"Really can't see them making a satisfactory yield unless they push up the fares which will make them uncompetitive against RE." - but do RE utilise their a/c like Jet2, it seems that Jet2 / Channex have the edge on most operators with regard to a/c generating turnover / utilisation.
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"Really can't see them making a satisfactory yield unless they push up the fares which will make them uncompetitive against RE." - but do RE utilise their a/c like Jet2, it seems that Jet2 / Channex have the edge on most operators with regard to a/c generating turnover / utilisation.
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Going back to the original topic of new airlines/routes from Cork, I have spotted on the London City Airport website (www.londoncityairport.com) a "Need to fly to/from Cork?" this could suggest that an airline is looking into launching a service to/from LCY to ORK.
I wonder if it will be another brave Jetmagic. They failed to gain enough pax on their rotations, perhaps if only a single rotation once a day may work.
I wonder if it will be another brave Jetmagic. They failed to gain enough pax on their rotations, perhaps if only a single rotation once a day may work.
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You misunderstand me - I am all for healthy competition on routes which warrant it. I'm simply saying that IMHO Belfast - ORK isn't one of them.
What would happen if RE backed off the route - a monopoly situation would then exist whereby Jet2 will be able to charge whatever they want.
I accept what you say about aircraft utilisation, but surely there must be more lucrative routes which would better occupy an idle 737.
You misunderstand me - I am all for healthy competition on routes which warrant it. I'm simply saying that IMHO Belfast - ORK isn't one of them.
What would happen if RE backed off the route - a monopoly situation would then exist whereby Jet2 will be able to charge whatever they want.
I accept what you say about aircraft utilisation, but surely there must be more lucrative routes which would better occupy an idle 737.
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Why on earth would a single rotation to LCY work?
At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, the prime users of LCY are business passengers (this is reflected in the destinations served from LCY, the aircraft types, and the landing fees).
Consider a business passenger from Cork going to London (or vice versa) for a meeting:
Option (a): I can fly over in the morning and back home in the evening, or if my meeting is starting/finishing at another time there's enough frequency of flights to let me work around that.
Option (b): I have to plan my meeting time around the flight schedule, and I have to stay overnight because there's only one daily service.
Even if your meeting is in the City or Canary Wharf, I submit you're more likely to go for option (a).
Sure, not all business passengers are on same-day trips, but an airline needs *at least* a well-timed morning and evening rotation to be competitive for the short-haul business market.
Whether there is sufficient business traffic to enable a reasonable ORK-LCY service given the competition to the other London airports remains to be seen (presumably what LCY are about with their survey) but a once-daily would be doomed to failure from the start.
Why on earth would a single rotation to LCY work?
At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, the prime users of LCY are business passengers (this is reflected in the destinations served from LCY, the aircraft types, and the landing fees).
Consider a business passenger from Cork going to London (or vice versa) for a meeting:
Option (a): I can fly over in the morning and back home in the evening, or if my meeting is starting/finishing at another time there's enough frequency of flights to let me work around that.
Option (b): I have to plan my meeting time around the flight schedule, and I have to stay overnight because there's only one daily service.
Even if your meeting is in the City or Canary Wharf, I submit you're more likely to go for option (a).
Sure, not all business passengers are on same-day trips, but an airline needs *at least* a well-timed morning and evening rotation to be competitive for the short-haul business market.
Whether there is sufficient business traffic to enable a reasonable ORK-LCY service given the competition to the other London airports remains to be seen (presumably what LCY are about with their survey) but a once-daily would be doomed to failure from the start.
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Indeed, good point, i was just seeing the point that having two/three rotations like Jetmagic did, wouldnt work. So i now doubt that even one rotation would, if what you say applies.
They wouldnt be able to compete with Ryanair mainly, who fly to STN. And i bet more than one rotation a day.
Along with this, i read in Airliner World (January 2005), Ryanair will be commencing new route from Liverpool to Cork from March '05.
They wouldnt be able to compete with Ryanair mainly, who fly to STN. And i bet more than one rotation a day.
Along with this, i read in Airliner World (January 2005), Ryanair will be commencing new route from Liverpool to Cork from March '05.
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ALLMCC - "this would see off any challenge from Jet2 - can't help feeling the Jet2 won't last from BFS"
Sentence seems to imply that you would like to see RE increase frequencies to force JET2 to drop the route, that then implies that their would be ONE carrier thus my point of one carrier / higher prices - I think your post is misleading rather than my understanding of it.
"I accept what you say about aircraft utilisation, but surely there must be more lucrative routes which would better occupy an idle 737." - I'm afraid I do not have the inside information to answer your question but I presume Jet2 do carry out market research as to wether they can operate the route at a profit or perhaps this route fits in with when a/c are not being utilised. What route would you like to see 737 operate to ? What would be your business case for said route? And I presume you would prefer the route be flown from BHD rather than BFS??? (or is that a leading question too far, lol)
Sentence seems to imply that you would like to see RE increase frequencies to force JET2 to drop the route, that then implies that their would be ONE carrier thus my point of one carrier / higher prices - I think your post is misleading rather than my understanding of it.
"I accept what you say about aircraft utilisation, but surely there must be more lucrative routes which would better occupy an idle 737." - I'm afraid I do not have the inside information to answer your question but I presume Jet2 do carry out market research as to wether they can operate the route at a profit or perhaps this route fits in with when a/c are not being utilised. What route would you like to see 737 operate to ? What would be your business case for said route? And I presume you would prefer the route be flown from BHD rather than BFS??? (or is that a leading question too far, lol)
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What about RE doing LCY???
TTT has previously mentioned that there is "talks of RE upping services by 25%" etc etc.
How about an extra aircraft doing a LCY twice daily rotation, one in the morning and one in the evening? I could see any need for more that this for the afore mentioned business meeting etc?
From what I can remember, this was one of the more sucessfull routes for JetMagic?
Always couldn't figure out why RE had this thing for Luton airport?
After the collapse of EuroCeltic this was a big who ha made about we need this route back for the business community in the Waterford region etc.
Why not fly into LCY altogether when you have the A/C that can fly in there??
Landing charges have been mentioned but they cant be that higher than LTN???
TTT has previously mentioned that there is "talks of RE upping services by 25%" etc etc.
How about an extra aircraft doing a LCY twice daily rotation, one in the morning and one in the evening? I could see any need for more that this for the afore mentioned business meeting etc?
From what I can remember, this was one of the more sucessfull routes for JetMagic?
Always couldn't figure out why RE had this thing for Luton airport?
After the collapse of EuroCeltic this was a big who ha made about we need this route back for the business community in the Waterford region etc.
Why not fly into LCY altogether when you have the A/C that can fly in there??
Landing charges have been mentioned but they cant be that higher than LTN???
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JetMagic were very dissappointed with the take up on the ORK - LCY route (which initailly surprised me). They also said that a lot of heavy weight corporates in the Cork area only booked EI into LHR even though LCY was available. Having spoken to Aer Arann in the past I do not feel they are interested in the route either unfortunately (this obviously may change). I think you might see RE look at routes to Brittany and France out of ORK. I know the JM service to Nantes was one of their best performers along with BHD. I think the UK service Cork needs at the moment is NCL. As we know from Dublin when Ryanair began a NCL service, Durham Tees Valley felt the impact. I can only see the new bmibaby service lasting until someone starts NCL.