Wind damage at Dublin
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Maxalt, anchors are possible! The nose and main gears have mooring points and once the aircraft is into wind, these could be used. It is in the maintenance manual. However to what do you attach the other end? There are only a handful of tugs available. However going this far should not be necessary to counteract even a severe gale. Mooring points usually required only for debogging.
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Shouldn't it be the responsibility of flight ops in these cases?
They are monitoring the weather and will get severe weather warnings from Met Eireann as well. They then advise Engineering to move the aircarft accordingly.
They are monitoring the weather and will get severe weather warnings from Met Eireann as well. They then advise Engineering to move the aircarft accordingly.
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BA`s policy is to always leave the parking brake on , even on the airbus family which is opposite the airbus manual which recomends releasing the brakes when the a/c is chocked to allow for equal cooling .
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MarkD, the story I heard was that without the "Action" your post mentions, one of the 330's involved in the incident would have been safely in/on its way to SNN
As the Aussies say "$$$$$$"
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I have some questions, which though technical, might well be answered here.
1. But, firstly, did anyone land/takeoff in these condiditons, and have they any pertinent information to pass on?
2. If landing on 28, and with the METAR W/V, you would need to turn right to vacate. This would be turning the a/c away from the natural weathercock effect. Has anyone experienced difficulty doing this? Was an into-wind aileron sufficient? Was differential thrust and/or braking required, and could the turn radius be maintained without skidding?
What thoughts about landing, even if zero x-wind, but in wet/slippery condiftions and then having to turn broad-side to vacate? Would you risk it?
3. What recommendations has anyone, about the position of elevator and stabiliser while taxing with such strong tail winds, and is this based on theory or experience. I've thought about the theory, but never, on big aeroplanes, ever encountered such wind strengths on the ground to put it into practice.
Many thanks
1. But, firstly, did anyone land/takeoff in these condiditons, and have they any pertinent information to pass on?
2. If landing on 28, and with the METAR W/V, you would need to turn right to vacate. This would be turning the a/c away from the natural weathercock effect. Has anyone experienced difficulty doing this? Was an into-wind aileron sufficient? Was differential thrust and/or braking required, and could the turn radius be maintained without skidding?
What thoughts about landing, even if zero x-wind, but in wet/slippery condiftions and then having to turn broad-side to vacate? Would you risk it?
3. What recommendations has anyone, about the position of elevator and stabiliser while taxing with such strong tail winds, and is this based on theory or experience. I've thought about the theory, but never, on big aeroplanes, ever encountered such wind strengths on the ground to put it into practice.
Many thanks
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Hello all,
Only found out about this incident today...having formally worked for EI in DUB Station im damn curious...especially as im from malahide and wondering if my house is still there and not torn away to OZ.
Anyways...Just wondering if any price has been placed on the damage to the two aircraft. Did any other part of CRK hit anything else, it seems that at the angle surely the left wing should have hit the airbridge too.
As for workmasters comment....Mate...firstly, aerlingus doesnt consider itself a "national airline" anymore, its a low fares airline with high service, in that it IS looking after its affected passengers unlike what other low fares airlines might do...secondly, its new years day...where in hell is aerlingus meant to suppliment a third of its longhaul fleet, especially when most of the worlds spare aircraft are being sent to assist in the tsunami disaster relief in south east asia. Ignorance is a virtue in your house obviously!!!! You say you work in the airline....you must be management with an attitude like that!
Only found out about this incident today...having formally worked for EI in DUB Station im damn curious...especially as im from malahide and wondering if my house is still there and not torn away to OZ.
Anyways...Just wondering if any price has been placed on the damage to the two aircraft. Did any other part of CRK hit anything else, it seems that at the angle surely the left wing should have hit the airbridge too.
As for workmasters comment....Mate...firstly, aerlingus doesnt consider itself a "national airline" anymore, its a low fares airline with high service, in that it IS looking after its affected passengers unlike what other low fares airlines might do...secondly, its new years day...where in hell is aerlingus meant to suppliment a third of its longhaul fleet, especially when most of the worlds spare aircraft are being sent to assist in the tsunami disaster relief in south east asia. Ignorance is a virtue in your house obviously!!!! You say you work in the airline....you must be management with an attitude like that!
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Aer Lingus doesn't consider itself a "national airline" anymore,
(Public outrage forced a backtrack)
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And quite right too....
" I am sorry sir, your father is somewhere between CDG and LHR, do you have a limited release tag?"
apaddyinuk - Your house should be safe.. After collinstown being hit it made it's way to Blanch / Meath no other real damage north of the liffey..
" I am sorry sir, your father is somewhere between CDG and LHR, do you have a limited release tag?"
apaddyinuk - Your house should be safe.. After collinstown being hit it made it's way to Blanch / Meath no other real damage north of the liffey..
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Dub, I do remember a few years ago, a coffin being strapped under a Chopper for a flight to the Aran Isles (after being flown into Shannon from the U.S.) ...... after set-down guess what?
yep, No Coffin
.... and they never did find it
yep, No Coffin
.... and they never did find it
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hardly a ban. They simply didn't want the business which others were free to take up. Frankly as an emigrant myself I find all these people who left Ireland years ago but want to be buried in "d'auld sod" a bit weird.
hardly a ban. They simply didn't want the business which others were free to take up. Frankly as an emigrant myself I find all these people who left Ireland years ago but want to be buried in "d'auld sod" a bit weird.
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I find all these people who left Ireland years ago but want to be buried in "d'auld sod" a bit weird.
hardly a ban
Public pressure made it impossible for EI to maintain the Ban
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I'd prefer to be with my wife (actual) and kids (if any) here in Canada thanks. If I didn't I don't have EI flights to take me "home" anyway.
The fact is EI implemented a no-cargo policy in accordance with what they felt was the way to go business wise. Private cargo haulers or bmi could have taken up the business. Government exerted pressure and they reversed.
Once private they will be able to do whatever is right for EI, unless the Government tries to pull an "Air Canada Public Participation Act" type stunt.
I actually feel getting out of cargo is bad news for EI and Ireland but am annoyed that the coffins seem to be more important than Ireland's exports!
That's all I have to say about this offtopic diversion - any news yet on how long it will take to return the 330s to service?
I'd prefer to be with my wife (actual) and kids (if any) here in Canada thanks. If I didn't I don't have EI flights to take me "home" anyway.
The fact is EI implemented a no-cargo policy in accordance with what they felt was the way to go business wise. Private cargo haulers or bmi could have taken up the business. Government exerted pressure and they reversed.
Once private they will be able to do whatever is right for EI, unless the Government tries to pull an "Air Canada Public Participation Act" type stunt.
I actually feel getting out of cargo is bad news for EI and Ireland but am annoyed that the coffins seem to be more important than Ireland's exports!
That's all I have to say about this offtopic diversion - any news yet on how long it will take to return the 330s to service?
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On the day in question there was also some very severe weather in the County Longford that also caused quite a bit of damage etc. Did not make the general news for some reason. Guess the Dublin hacks were not too interested?
Now, if it had been Cork!!
Now, if it had been Cork!!
