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Old 16th Jan 2005, 12:18
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I think the article in the Times asks more questions thaq its answers. You can choose to believe the RE spin or read between the lines. The damning part of it that was reported on local radio in Ireland today is that the IAA says there are maintenace lapses at RE. Bad news, Real bad news, for an airline. RE battle on - you can make it if you scrap half those rubbish routes.
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The RAF/RAFC used to have a base where ORK is now IIRC. If it had been built at Carraigtwohill it would be smack beside N25 and the soon-to-be-reopened rail line. Ho hum.
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Old 16th Jan 2005, 16:08
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A Denim Air Fokker 50 has been hired in by RE again today. Has been working DUB-ORK a few times.

As an aside: Saturday around noon at Cork is now a very busy time for sun ITs and yesterday there were 2 Futura, a Volar and Air Europa all in at the same time. Cork being Cork the heavens opened and with the associated high winds the disembarking pax were once again getting drenched and soaked to the skin in the course of their long walk from the more remote stands between 7 and 10

The other aircraft on stand closer to the terminal were the EI A321 to LHR, the EI A320 to CDG and a shut down ATR receiving maintenance.

Why does the Cork Airport Authority dish out this shabby treatment to her passengers? The pax are paying high charges and deserve better and more courteous service than this bad form.
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Old 16th Jan 2005, 19:00
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Tom ...do you think that the LoCo's like Jet2 are "smelling blood" and moving in to ORK because of a percieved problem with RE?Or is there really a justification for the increased frequency from the Belfast area for example(and before you chip in I know your opinion ALLMCC) ?
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That link of "eh hello"s is *well worth reading*, although would like to see an updated one since last firm data is 2002. It refers to some of the PSO expiring 1/2004 but I can't find a reference to them being renewed.

I have challenged a few posters on pprune on PSO issues (like Waterford and UK routes getting subsidy) but I learned a few new things myself reading it.

Also, RE have expanded services to include CFN to PIK, making it more viable to dedicate an aircraft to that route and LDY to UK ports so could be in a good position to challenge Loganair for the latter even if they lose out on one of the others.

It's interesting that DKM were flagging that the PSOs under strict interpretation of the regulations may not be legal since rail and bus provide capacity >250k/pa and were suggesting legal opinion be sought.
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Old 17th Jan 2005, 15:21
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Eastern Wiseguy, Jet 2 on BFS-ORK will be one to watch. Aldergrove being a new destination I am sure the lure of incentives came into play? Did I not see on an earlier thread that the Jet 2 aircraft would otherwise have been parked up at BFS until later in the morning waiting for the new BOH flight to depart? A quick rotation to Cork fills the gap. As for the single daily frequency, well if you had business in Belfast and fly up and decided to take the train back down south again you would easily be in Dublin again around teatime and all going well should be back in Cork again by late evening. Not really an ideal situation but flying one way on the Jet 2 and taking train/bus in the opposite direction might still be cheaper than RE if booked at short notice?
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Old 18th Jan 2005, 08:54
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Aer Arann have today hired in a Denim Air Fokker 50 in full Iberia/Air Nostrum colours. Presently on the ground in Cork due out to Dublin.
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This should be nothing ne for the next while as i believe all of Re's ATR's have to go in for maintainence.

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Old 18th Jan 2005, 18:59
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BFS - ORK is particularly interesting because of the vast amount of cross-border business across Ireland. Driving Cork - Belfast is a full day's work, and it's still a good five - six hours by train, including connections etc.

RE can't really increase their ORK frequencies from BHD, but they could strengthen their position with some imaginative runs to other airports in the south that are more than five hours drive from Belfast - KIR, SNN perhaps?

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Old 18th Jan 2005, 20:36
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had the same thought, especially early birds to get the transatlantic traffic.
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Old 18th Jan 2005, 22:47
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early birds to get the transatlantic traffic.

Used to agree with that ...but Continental coming on stream with a 0900 departure to EWR ...well how early nonstop would you like?? I always thought EIN shot themselves in the foot when they pulled out of BFS
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Old 19th Jan 2005, 01:08
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fair point, but there will probably be USAir to PHL, definitely AA to BOS, etc.
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Old 19th Jan 2005, 09:10
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Summer Services

Lorient services have been announced for the summer.

GWY - LRT will operate on Wed Sat Sun with WAT - LRT operating on Wed and Sat. All services are operated with an ATR72 and the GWY services are now direct.

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Old 19th Jan 2005, 09:40
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Congratulations to Galway and Waterford Airports on providing upgraded flights to regional areas of France with Aer Arann.

Shows you what can be achieved when you get up off your backside and ditch the apathy. Hope they are taking note elsewhere down the south. Wont be holding my breath though. Is it 5 pm yet?
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Old 19th Jan 2005, 17:24
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Is there any indication that GWY and WAT to LTN will return to double daily for next summer also.

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Old 19th Jan 2005, 18:52
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That's almost certain i'd say! Could even be looking at 3 times daily!


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Old 20th Jan 2005, 17:48
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I doubt 3 times daily Aer Arann should be very careful around Galway routes to Luton with Ryanair north and south of them. Whats the range of the ATRs,

Thinking of possible routes NOC-GLA/PIX or KIR- BHX.
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Old 20th Jan 2005, 18:02
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Range ain't a problem for the ATR.....we regularly did Swansea to Amsterdam with 44 pax

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Old 20th Jan 2005, 20:52
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Is NOC - GLA not going to be operated by BMI Commuter? I thought I read that on the Knock Airport Website...
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Old 20th Jan 2005, 21:08
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ATR72 max range is about 1100km I think.
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