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A Perfect Storm!?
What is the status of the remaining DUB-ORK flights today?
RE402 BHX-ORK diverted to Dublin this morning.
Currently at Cork are both AT7s, EI-REA and EI-REE as is AT4 EI-BYO.
What is the status of the remaining DUB-ORK flights today?
RE402 BHX-ORK diverted to Dublin this morning.
Currently at Cork are both AT7s, EI-REA and EI-REE as is AT4 EI-BYO.
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They lost their JAR145 for more than that. I am one of many who applied for their maintennace positions but got messed around. A long time since anyone lost their JAR145 in Ireland. Hope the new management will sort it out. Is it really true that they get EURO 19 million form irish govt. to operate. How can they not afford proper management. Huge money. No JAR145 - how can they still fly? Must cost a fortune.
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From comments I've heard "inside", several aircraft were damaged over the weekend when the last storm went through.
Control surfaces and things like that, which given the wind gust strength is not altogether surprising. The WX here in Ireland today has been sufficiently nasty that I am glad I was not having to commit aviation in it, and I am sure that Aer Arran were not being alarmist when they canned many of the regionals today.
The runways and approach aids at some of the regionals are not in the same league as the major airports, and whatever the truth may be about JAR145 status, there's no fun at all in having to make even minor repairs of any sort to an airframe that's outdoors at an outstation in a violent storm 11, which is what was forecast for Western Ireland today. That's assuming an engineer can get to the regional through the floods and or blocked roads that have happened as a result of said weather.
To add to that hassle, how many small regionals have any sort of facility to tie down an ATR. If EI can get 2 x A330's damaged at DUB by the wind, it's not hard to imagine the potential for serious damage to an airframe that's parked out in the open with no real protection or building shelter, and not much in the way of ramp staff or anything else to work on protecting it or moving it, or anything else. At least at somewhere like DUB, if the WX gets too severe, there's a tug and bar available to move the aircraft to another location, even if it's only a stand somewhere else that's more into wind, or sheltered by a big building or hangar.
At somewhere like Sligo, moving it somewhere else is going to be a serious issue if the only way to move it is to start the engines and taxi the aircraft, as that's also going to require crew or an engineer to do it, and if the aircraft has been stopped for WX reasons, there's a good chance the crew may not be at the airport, in order to comply with duty time limitations and the like.
And No, before someone asks or accuses, I don't work for Aer Arran, but a few years ago, I did a lot of preparatory work on a possible operation for someone else in that part of the world, and these are the realities that have to be factored in to the equation if you want to survive.
Control surfaces and things like that, which given the wind gust strength is not altogether surprising. The WX here in Ireland today has been sufficiently nasty that I am glad I was not having to commit aviation in it, and I am sure that Aer Arran were not being alarmist when they canned many of the regionals today.
The runways and approach aids at some of the regionals are not in the same league as the major airports, and whatever the truth may be about JAR145 status, there's no fun at all in having to make even minor repairs of any sort to an airframe that's outdoors at an outstation in a violent storm 11, which is what was forecast for Western Ireland today. That's assuming an engineer can get to the regional through the floods and or blocked roads that have happened as a result of said weather.
To add to that hassle, how many small regionals have any sort of facility to tie down an ATR. If EI can get 2 x A330's damaged at DUB by the wind, it's not hard to imagine the potential for serious damage to an airframe that's parked out in the open with no real protection or building shelter, and not much in the way of ramp staff or anything else to work on protecting it or moving it, or anything else. At least at somewhere like DUB, if the WX gets too severe, there's a tug and bar available to move the aircraft to another location, even if it's only a stand somewhere else that's more into wind, or sheltered by a big building or hangar.
At somewhere like Sligo, moving it somewhere else is going to be a serious issue if the only way to move it is to start the engines and taxi the aircraft, as that's also going to require crew or an engineer to do it, and if the aircraft has been stopped for WX reasons, there's a good chance the crew may not be at the airport, in order to comply with duty time limitations and the like.
And No, before someone asks or accuses, I don't work for Aer Arran, but a few years ago, I did a lot of preparatory work on a possible operation for someone else in that part of the world, and these are the realities that have to be factored in to the equation if you want to survive.
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Thank you for those Comments, obviously you are Aer Arann management!
I know for a fact that Aer Arann has lost their 145 line maintenance due to SEVERAL factors of poor maintenance.
EI-RED was given a dispenation by the C.P. to ferry this 'Grounded' aircraft to Dinard and guess who flew it? yes, the fleet manager!
And is he going to be a sorry boy now!!
I know for a fact that Aer Arann has lost their 145 line maintenance due to SEVERAL factors of poor maintenance.
EI-RED was given a dispenation by the C.P. to ferry this 'Grounded' aircraft to Dinard and guess who flew it? yes, the fleet manager!
And is he going to be a sorry boy now!!
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Speak with friend at Toulouse. RE now being run Conor McCarthy ex FR and Air Asia. He run bank and ATR safety. How can operate with no JAR? Do the cancel more flts. Do they make EURO19m from Irlande Ministre. How no safe JAR with EURO 19m. Are there now jobs RE in Irlande? Anyone in Irlande tell us grit truth. How fly Donegal, Southmapton no JAR.
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Lee Majors,
I wish!!!! It would certainly pay better than what I'm doing at the moment!
If you look at my profile, or at the messages I've posted over the last 12 months, you might get some clues as to the last job I was doing at the airport.
For what it's worth, at the moment, I'm not even working in the aviation industry, though if the Labour court finds in my favour, that might change again at some stage in the future.
I do know a bit about the subject though, and I did a lot of work a few years ago preparing a whole range of things for a company that was planning to do what Aer Arran some time later. They too were going to operate from an airfield in the West of Ireland, and they too were going to use ATR's. To get it right, I had to make sure that I knew where the problems could be, and how we were going to solve them.
I've posted my original comments because I am more than a little sick of seeing constant knocks against some of the local airlines, they do the best they can with not a lot of real help from a number of directions, and I for one think that if certain operators were no longer around, that would NOT be good for Irish aviation, it's been abused enough over the last 10 years as it is. There are certain aspects of the regulatory side that are
, [Rant on] There are some aspects of the operational side of Irish Aviation that are not a lot better, but that's a subject for another thread if the Government ever gets off the fence on several issues like DUB terminal 2, and the real future of Aer Lingus. [Rant off]
Thank you for those Comments, obviously you are Aer Arann management!
If you look at my profile, or at the messages I've posted over the last 12 months, you might get some clues as to the last job I was doing at the airport.
For what it's worth, at the moment, I'm not even working in the aviation industry, though if the Labour court finds in my favour, that might change again at some stage in the future.
I do know a bit about the subject though, and I did a lot of work a few years ago preparing a whole range of things for a company that was planning to do what Aer Arran some time later. They too were going to operate from an airfield in the West of Ireland, and they too were going to use ATR's. To get it right, I had to make sure that I knew where the problems could be, and how we were going to solve them.
I've posted my original comments because I am more than a little sick of seeing constant knocks against some of the local airlines, they do the best they can with not a lot of real help from a number of directions, and I for one think that if certain operators were no longer around, that would NOT be good for Irish aviation, it's been abused enough over the last 10 years as it is. There are certain aspects of the regulatory side that are
, [Rant on] There are some aspects of the operational side of Irish Aviation that are not a lot better, but that's a subject for another thread if the Government ever gets off the fence on several issues like DUB terminal 2, and the real future of Aer Lingus. [Rant off]
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Gentlemen (and Ladies)
Not wanting to be raising alarms..but my information says that Aer Arann are in serious trouble with the IAA about maintenance procedures
All RE flights today (11/1) were cancelled, according to the company because of the weather affecting the UK and Ireland, but if that really was the case..why did the weather only affect Aer Arann flights.
At Dublin today only one 42 was sitting on the ramp, and from what I hear a few machines have been flown to Shannon, possibly going into the SRS hangar
Now, I may be wrong in all this (and I hope so)..but my bet is that a lot more about this situation will appear in the next few days
Not wanting to be raising alarms..but my information says that Aer Arann are in serious trouble with the IAA about maintenance procedures
All RE flights today (11/1) were cancelled, according to the company because of the weather affecting the UK and Ireland, but if that really was the case..why did the weather only affect Aer Arann flights.
At Dublin today only one 42 was sitting on the ramp, and from what I hear a few machines have been flown to Shannon, possibly going into the SRS hangar
Now, I may be wrong in all this (and I hope so)..but my bet is that a lot more about this situation will appear in the next few days
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I like Aer Arann, they have been great for Cork providing flights and jobs. They make money hand over fist from the Cork to Dublin service alone never mind the sizeable sum they must take in via the PSO subsidy. Good luck to them at that, it is all above board to make loads of money, I wish I could! However, the PSO subsidy comes from our tax euro and Aer Arann managers now need to explain themselves to their inconvenienced customers and the European Union taxpayer alike.
JAR 145 is serious stuff. A friend of ours travels all the time on ORK-DUB, and I sure as hell want to know that on her next trip RE are going to be despatching a serviceable aeroplane.
Time to come clean on this matter.
JAR 145 is serious stuff. A friend of ours travels all the time on ORK-DUB, and I sure as hell want to know that on her next trip RE are going to be despatching a serviceable aeroplane.
Time to come clean on this matter.
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Could those nice people at Flybe Engineering not undertake service work for them?
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Sorry, didn't realise BFS was a "major airport" - maybe Irish Steve was referring to BFS in his quote!
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Sorry, didn't realise BFS was a "major airport" - maybe Irish Steve was referring to BFS in his quote!
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allmcc....I thought you weren't speaking!!
As to Aer Arran ...perhaps you should be asking Harbour why they were unable to remain open for the ORK service the other evening ...which diverted to BFS... subsequently went tech and had to have a new aircraft flown in the next day to shift their punters to ORK!! .I would suggest that a B733 of Jet2 would appear to have a greater reliability ......I know which I would choose......anyways ..I won't keep you I am sure you must have an anorak to iron !!
As to Aer Arran ...perhaps you should be asking Harbour why they were unable to remain open for the ORK service the other evening ...which diverted to BFS... subsequently went tech and had to have a new aircraft flown in the next day to shift their punters to ORK!! .I would suggest that a B733 of Jet2 would appear to have a greater reliability ......I know which I would choose......anyways ..I won't keep you I am sure you must have an anorak to iron !!
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RE operations appear more normal again today. Walking the dogs around 8 am this morning two ATRs came out off runway 35 at Cork. They must have been the Birmingham flight and a run to Dublin. Even the broken down ATR-72, EI-REA, has been flying again today too.
Looks like they are getting themselves sorted. JAR 145 restored yet?
Looks like they are getting themselves sorted. JAR 145 restored yet?
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Tom the Tenor, Aer Arann do not earn PSO subsidies from the govt for flights from Cork to Dublin and Belfast. They only earn the PSO subsidies ex-Dublin to the Regional airports in Ireland.
Expect much reduced subsidies announced this year...
Expect much reduced subsidies announced this year...