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By air travel I assume you mean air travel other than the lo-co 'cheepo' flights you so abhor.
Lo-co flights are a godsend to some. Some families on low income can not afford the type of flights that you enjoy....leg room, newspapers etc.
Low-cost flights as part of holidays have given people the cultural oportunitity to enjoy the likes of Barcelona, Prague etc.
I am from the Dearne Valley...an area that was dependent on the coal industry, so I don't need the lecture.
And what is wrong with restricting air travel to those who can afford it
Lo-co flights are a godsend to some. Some families on low income can not afford the type of flights that you enjoy....leg room, newspapers etc.
Low-cost flights as part of holidays have given people the cultural oportunitity to enjoy the likes of Barcelona, Prague etc.
I am from the Dearne Valley...an area that was dependent on the coal industry, so I don't need the lecture.
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I've seen the 'steeping in culture' that us Brits get up to in a foreign land. And it makes me ashamed to be British. Bringing 'Friday night' to the natives 7 days a week. Not wanting to tar all with the same brush, many respect the country and culture they are exposed to but having seen Prague before the 'fall of the wall' and seeing it now, I can but weep. I suppose it is progress but they are now EU members and will require loads of dosh to bring their living standards up to the right level. Doctors are still paid peanuts, about $500 a month.
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7006 are you sure only $500?
Also remember the poverty line is different for each country so what seems little in this country could be a fortune in another. Not saying $500 a month is a fortune in Prague but you do seem to go on. If only you stopped digging people might give you a hand out of that hole
Also remember the poverty line is different for each country so what seems little in this country could be a fortune in another. Not saying $500 a month is a fortune in Prague but you do seem to go on. If only you stopped digging people might give you a hand out of that hole
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I appreciate what you are saying but positive or negative progress is far beyond you and I.
Back in the 1970s Barcelona was in pretty poor shape with the beggars and dilapidated buildings. Look what tourism has done to the city (mostly initiated by the olympics).
Look what tourism has done to the Costas. Look how in the past 20 years it has revitalised the Spanish coastline, created jobs and to a cetain degree prosperity. Granted you are always going to get the little Englanders, larger louts etc, but Prague and the old Czechoslovakia wasn't exactly thug or crime free.
For the traditional connoisseurs of history and culture like yourself, I don't think you are ever going to see that 'ambiance' of major cities again, and if you find somewhere else you can pretty much guarentee that not too far in the future the place will, rightly or wrongly be exploited by tour-operators.
Anyway, at the risk of antagonising others further I think we ought to divert the conversation back to Humberside Airport.
I appreciate what you are saying but positive or negative progress is far beyond you and I.
Back in the 1970s Barcelona was in pretty poor shape with the beggars and dilapidated buildings. Look what tourism has done to the city (mostly initiated by the olympics).
Look what tourism has done to the Costas. Look how in the past 20 years it has revitalised the Spanish coastline, created jobs and to a cetain degree prosperity. Granted you are always going to get the little Englanders, larger louts etc, but Prague and the old Czechoslovakia wasn't exactly thug or crime free.
For the traditional connoisseurs of history and culture like yourself, I don't think you are ever going to see that 'ambiance' of major cities again, and if you find somewhere else you can pretty much guarentee that not too far in the future the place will, rightly or wrongly be exploited by tour-operators.
Anyway, at the risk of antagonising others further I think we ought to divert the conversation back to Humberside Airport.
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I think summer 2006 is very pivotal as far as HUY is concerned. If the XL flights go well then I think you’ve cracked it….more will follow.
It’ll not only send out messages to other tour-operators/airlines, but to the MAG group who might realise the potential and become less rigid in their approach to HUY.
It’ll not only send out messages to other tour-operators/airlines, but to the MAG group who might realise the potential and become less rigid in their approach to HUY.
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I think its horses for courses. HUY is one of the very few profitable airports (I could be wrong), it makes money for the MAG group, but its err on the side of caution I feel has restricted its growth. I am not a HUY supporter, but I find it really hard to believe, considering its catchment area (particularly before DSA), that a lo-co has not wanted to set up a base there, but for some reason they have not. Not everyone, 7006fan for example, are overly in favour of lo-co or cheap charters, but it’s still possible to base a lo-co and still in time be profitable. I feel the potential is still there for HUY. I live in between Rotherham and Doncaster, and would sooner use DSA, but if I can get a better deal at HUY for family, and myself I would have no hesitation driving the few miles to HUY.
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You are so right. For the East Coast and North Midlands, HUY was, for some time, the only choice, as a local airport within an easy drive for scheduled services. When the runway was extended things should have really 'taken-off' and I suppose it has, with pax numbers up to c.500,000. Air UK had loads of routes -Germany, Norway, Gatwick?, France etc, not particularly big aircraft F27's &28's, Embraers and the like. all those routes are now history and all HUY has is AMS (KLM) & ABZ (Eastern), and neither of these seem to want to put on any other routes, would have thought KLM would try a CDG now they 'own' Air France, gather the Gill Airways operation was very popular. I think it need ssomeone with a bit of cash and guts to try some routes and see what happens. Using a Dash 8 or ATR 42, EMB 145, something like that. I am tempted, to a certain extent, to ask the bank, but am kept busy enough as it is, need some time to cut my hair, and with no aviation experience I doubt I would get past the general enquiries desk.
When my numbers come up next Saturday maybe!!!
When my numbers come up next Saturday maybe!!!
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7006 Fan - I know you have a legion of detractors but please dont stop posting, your posts lighten up my day, from HUY to world poverty, engines not operating at their most economical during a 2.5 hr flight and woe is me, aircraft are polluting our atmosphere...priceless, absolutley priceless.
You have to be a stand up comedian in your working life as well as an aviation expert in your spare time because I always thought Brigg was only good for the leisure centre until I read your posts.... priceless, absolutley priceless.
Air Humberside - At least the HUY thread remains at the forefront of the forum!
Anyway, back to the thread in hand, anyone yet have any information on the opening date of the new hangar?
You have to be a stand up comedian in your working life as well as an aviation expert in your spare time because I always thought Brigg was only good for the leisure centre until I read your posts.... priceless, absolutley priceless.
Air Humberside - At least the HUY thread remains at the forefront of the forum!
Anyway, back to the thread in hand, anyone yet have any information on the opening date of the new hangar?
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7006fan is an intensely committed and enthusiastic supporter of HUY, and when his back is against the wall he'll come out fighting. I respect this in a person.
I shouldn't underestimate him, he's very adept at guiding conversation patterns and drawing a lot of people in.
I think it'll make for a boring board or a boring world if we all sang from the same song sheet.
I enjoy the debates and I am sure the regular HUY regulars enjoy the same.
7006fan is an intensely committed and enthusiastic supporter of HUY, and when his back is against the wall he'll come out fighting. I respect this in a person.
I shouldn't underestimate him, he's very adept at guiding conversation patterns and drawing a lot of people in.
I think it'll make for a boring board or a boring world if we all sang from the same song sheet.
I enjoy the debates and I am sure the regular HUY regulars enjoy the same.
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Thank you, Mr Dearne.
I do tend to get a bit heated (understatement) at times, but it can be so frustrating that whenever Humberside tries to do anything people bowl in with "that will never work, ...Oh here we go again, ...give it a week,..." is it any wonder.
The people who work at Humberside are very dedicated workers, I know some of them, and they work very hard; going the extra mile when needed. They get frustrated sometimes that all seems to be against them, but there seems to be more of a lift in their step recently and this has been growing over the last couple of years. The development of the hangar, police heliport, arrivals extension, enlarged DF, enlarged restaurant, enlarged car parks all are major infrastructure projects so they can see some things happening, the hope is this is for the BIG EXPANSION. I do hope so.
I do tend to get a bit heated (understatement) at times, but it can be so frustrating that whenever Humberside tries to do anything people bowl in with "that will never work, ...Oh here we go again, ...give it a week,..." is it any wonder.
The people who work at Humberside are very dedicated workers, I know some of them, and they work very hard; going the extra mile when needed. They get frustrated sometimes that all seems to be against them, but there seems to be more of a lift in their step recently and this has been growing over the last couple of years. The development of the hangar, police heliport, arrivals extension, enlarged DF, enlarged restaurant, enlarged car parks all are major infrastructure projects so they can see some things happening, the hope is this is for the BIG EXPANSION. I do hope so.
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It's what you call human nature and what gives everyone a right to express an opinion. This is the reason why this board is always near the top.
Some people support football teams, some support pop stars, some support airports...there's no less enthusiasm between the three.
HUY and DSA are local rivals so flak is inevitable between the two. I have said before that 2006 will be a vital year for HUY, mainly because the new kid on the block DSA, but look how HUY is rising to the challenge. Look how more enthusiastic HUY supporters are becoming? I think HUY will comfortably ride the challenge and come out the other end in a far stronger position than it is now. LBA will see a substantial increase in pax, and DSA will spiral once long hauls are introduced. People are going abroad a lot more now than they used to, and two holidays abroad a year is not uncommon.
I strongly suspect that you will see developments in the near future at HUY, mainly through self-preservation on behalf of the MAG group. Ideally it’ll want its passengers to use Manchester, but rather than lose custom, it will want to offer people this side of the Pennines an alternative to DSA and LBA. Rest assured though in three years times when pax from HUY and DSA airports increase threefold, we’ll still be on this board kicking lumps out of each other.
Some people support football teams, some support pop stars, some support airports...there's no less enthusiasm between the three.
HUY and DSA are local rivals so flak is inevitable between the two. I have said before that 2006 will be a vital year for HUY, mainly because the new kid on the block DSA, but look how HUY is rising to the challenge. Look how more enthusiastic HUY supporters are becoming? I think HUY will comfortably ride the challenge and come out the other end in a far stronger position than it is now. LBA will see a substantial increase in pax, and DSA will spiral once long hauls are introduced. People are going abroad a lot more now than they used to, and two holidays abroad a year is not uncommon.
I strongly suspect that you will see developments in the near future at HUY, mainly through self-preservation on behalf of the MAG group. Ideally it’ll want its passengers to use Manchester, but rather than lose custom, it will want to offer people this side of the Pennines an alternative to DSA and LBA. Rest assured though in three years times when pax from HUY and DSA airports increase threefold, we’ll still be on this board kicking lumps out of each other.
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Traffic at HUY increase threefold in three years time! Your more optimistic than me. Hope that is what happens but at least some of the Excel flights are replacing existing charters, Flybe arent coming, Jet 2 arent coming, I dont see were that many extra passengers will come from
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Mr Humberside,
re: flybe
One thing I have learnt is that speculation and rumours in the aviation world tend to run wild but they're less reliable than, say, the football transfer world. The tour operators/airplanes play their cards very close to their chest.
Wasn\'t meant to be taken literally, I was speaking hypothetically. I wish I could see into the future, I wouldn’t be going to work tomorrow, that’s a certain.
re: flybe
One thing I have learnt is that speculation and rumours in the aviation world tend to run wild but they're less reliable than, say, the football transfer world. The tour operators/airplanes play their cards very close to their chest.
Traffic at HUY increase threefold
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Have to agree with Air Humberside point as to where the airport's business plan is taking it, with no prospects of future scheduled routes seemingly in the pipeline I think it may be a risk to put all your eggs in one basket regarding charters from HUY.
Could the airport possibly re-invent itself as a cargo hub, sparsely populated area and thus could operate 24/7, ample room to build a cargo handling centre, good road connections to the rest of the UK and I presume cheaper airport fees then say EMA. Maybe something on the lines of express parcels with HUY being the hub and a road network being the spokes.
Shoot me down but what other market can HUY tap into?
Mr Dearne - To say I have alot of respect for 7006 Fan would be an over the top and bold statement but I do agree with your the majority of your comments and feel 7006 Fan does give this thread something that lacks on most other airport happening forums and thats conviction and passion, better place for having you 7006 Fan (two complimententary posts 7006 Fan, you'll have a fan club soon!!!)
Could the airport possibly re-invent itself as a cargo hub, sparsely populated area and thus could operate 24/7, ample room to build a cargo handling centre, good road connections to the rest of the UK and I presume cheaper airport fees then say EMA. Maybe something on the lines of express parcels with HUY being the hub and a road network being the spokes.
Shoot me down but what other market can HUY tap into?
Mr Dearne - To say I have alot of respect for 7006 Fan would be an over the top and bold statement but I do agree with your the majority of your comments and feel 7006 Fan does give this thread something that lacks on most other airport happening forums and thats conviction and passion, better place for having you 7006 Fan (two complimententary posts 7006 Fan, you'll have a fan club soon!!!)
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Maybe I should have been a bit clearer on the flybe. front. My sources tell me that the airport finds it near impossible to be considered by BE. This is not to say that BE will never be a part of the HUY operation, however, it is highly unlikely. As to whether they will go into DSA, I would consider that a more likely prospect. There is certainly more of a demand from DSA to some of BE's top markets such as BHD, EDI and GLA.
To say that putting all your eggs in one basket where the charter side is concerned, isn't that exactly what most other airports are doing where low-cost airlines are concerned? HUY is a truly diverse enterprise, helicopters, charters, high yield scheduled, freight, police support. All adds up!
No-one can deny that it would be great to see some kind of Lo-co operation at HUY, but it may never happen, and we must make the best of what we have and of what is to come in other areas.
What exisiting charter flights will the XL replace? MYtravel and Thomson websites still saying the likes of PGT to DLM and AEA to ACE. In the Panorama brochure, timings for the MIR flight suggest a based machine. Dep HUY approx 1300 and rtn approx 2130. These first edition brochures are so confusing!
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To say that putting all your eggs in one basket where the charter side is concerned, isn't that exactly what most other airports are doing where low-cost airlines are concerned? HUY is a truly diverse enterprise, helicopters, charters, high yield scheduled, freight, police support. All adds up!
No-one can deny that it would be great to see some kind of Lo-co operation at HUY, but it may never happen, and we must make the best of what we have and of what is to come in other areas.
What exisiting charter flights will the XL replace? MYtravel and Thomson websites still saying the likes of PGT to DLM and AEA to ACE. In the Panorama brochure, timings for the MIR flight suggest a based machine. Dep HUY approx 1300 and rtn approx 2130. These first edition brochures are so confusing!
Regards
MIke
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My sources tell me that the airport finds it near impossible to be considered by BE
What exisiting charter flights will the XL replace?