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EMA Happenings
WIth all that's going on at MAN and LPL I thought I'd start a thread to gather the latest news and views at EMA.
Anyone been spotted?
Any back of the cabin rumours?
Anyone been spotted?
Any back of the cabin rumours?
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Air Scandic are to base a Finnair MD83 at EMA next summer fot IT flights (discussed in the Scandic thread recently).
Other than that, just the usual rumours of EZY pulling out & RYR increasing their presence.
At the moment, I would have thought that any major new services into EMA would be carrying freight rather than passengers. I think that will DHL scaling down their ops at BRU, DHL ops at EMA will increase slightly.
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Other than that, just the usual rumours of EZY pulling out & RYR increasing their presence.
At the moment, I would have thought that any major new services into EMA would be carrying freight rather than passengers. I think that will DHL scaling down their ops at BRU, DHL ops at EMA will increase slightly.
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I have heard there will be several new routes next summer at NEMA. Where to and operated by who I do not know. The Air Scandic ops will probably account for some new destinations and the new FCA long-haul services.
Any more ideas? More FR flights?
Any more ideas? More FR flights?
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Personally i think a ryanair announcement is long overdue since it was there intention origionally to strengthen NEMA.
Anyone got any news on our £325 million delvelopment work that MAN gave to EMA for a new terminal and other improvements, as this is also overdue the airport went over capacity in the summer over 500,000 pax in a month in either aug/sept
Anyone got any news on our £325 million delvelopment work that MAN gave to EMA for a new terminal and other improvements, as this is also overdue the airport went over capacity in the summer over 500,000 pax in a month in either aug/sept
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There will be an fairly large extension to the International Departure Lounge for next summer to the west I understand.
The 'new' terminal will be a major development of the existing terminal, once again to the west of the current building i.e. towards the ATC tower.
The 'new' terminal will be a major development of the existing terminal, once again to the west of the current building i.e. towards the ATC tower.
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On top of the flights to Girona (Girona-based aircraft), Rome (Rome-based aircraft), Dublin & Murcia (Dublin-based aircraft) there are rumours that Ryanair is to either base five aircraft at Nottingham East Midlands next summer, or that the airline will be using five aircraft from other bases to fly a number of new routes.
flybe. management have been talking with NEMA management for the last few months regarding a small base at the airport, not unlike what they're flying out of LPL for next summer. I have been told to expect an announcement for twice daily BHD & twice daily CDG any time now.
EasyJet rumours still seem to be around that the airline is going to pull out, I have no facts or figures, but they seem to just be ambling along with whats left of the Go operation. When the -300s finally get retired, will the NEMA base be retired also?
Still rumours around that Germanwings is coming to NEMA, to accompany its partner airline bmibaby.
Also, bmi regional is *apparently* looking into adding its EMB-175s that it has on order, I think its ten of the type, of which three could be based at NEMA. Whether this is to replace or compliment bmibaby routes, I've not been told.
flybe. management have been talking with NEMA management for the last few months regarding a small base at the airport, not unlike what they're flying out of LPL for next summer. I have been told to expect an announcement for twice daily BHD & twice daily CDG any time now.
EasyJet rumours still seem to be around that the airline is going to pull out, I have no facts or figures, but they seem to just be ambling along with whats left of the Go operation. When the -300s finally get retired, will the NEMA base be retired also?
Still rumours around that Germanwings is coming to NEMA, to accompany its partner airline bmibaby.
Also, bmi regional is *apparently* looking into adding its EMB-175s that it has on order, I think its ten of the type, of which three could be based at NEMA. Whether this is to replace or compliment bmibaby routes, I've not been told.
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Five aircraft from FR seems slightly unrealistic...but you never know with Ryanair!! I think we might see more flights from other bases, rather than based aircraft.
A flybe announcement would be interesting, a reaction to baby moving to BHX perhaps? Belfast performs VERY well for baby and yet they have no competition on the route and I believe Paris performs well as well.
I cant see easyJet pulling out anytime soon and apparently they have been pleased with performance on the Rome and Cologne routes so maybe that will encourage them to base more aircraft/launch new routes. They already launched their Summer 05 routes from NEMA though and no new routes as yet!
A flybe announcement would be interesting, a reaction to baby moving to BHX perhaps? Belfast performs VERY well for baby and yet they have no competition on the route and I believe Paris performs well as well.
I cant see easyJet pulling out anytime soon and apparently they have been pleased with performance on the Rome and Cologne routes so maybe that will encourage them to base more aircraft/launch new routes. They already launched their Summer 05 routes from NEMA though and no new routes as yet!
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With regards to EZY at EMA, i know we are getting 737-700 next year i think it was from march or april time, so this will be nice for us as a base.
All our flights perform very well. all our loads are well over 100 and we had a very busy summer season with most of our summer flights full to capacity.
Rome and cologne are doing well indeed and yes it is nice to go somewhere different from EMA.
We as a base hope we do get more routes like any other airline would like, fingers crossed..........
We hear rumours our barcelona may come back and we may get this and we may get that , but at least we know we are staying at EMA at the moment, but as like FR you never know what to expect from EZY...........
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With regards to EZY at EMA, i know we are getting 737-700 next year i think it was from march or april time, so this will be nice for us as a base.
All our flights perform very well. all our loads are well over 100 and we had a very busy summer season with most of our summer flights full to capacity.
Rome and cologne are doing well indeed and yes it is nice to go somewhere different from EMA.
We as a base hope we do get more routes like any other airline would like, fingers crossed..........
We hear rumours our barcelona may come back and we may get this and we may get that , but at least we know we are staying at EMA at the moment, but as like FR you never know what to expect from EZY...........
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Seems then like we might get several announcements all in a short space of time,as for the terminal building what are the plans to develop it westwards does this extend past the tower or not because the tower is not very far westwards from the rest also they need two tier as one tier is not enough extended also esculators are long overdue. I hope it will get a touch of the modern international airport look you see at places like AMS and LTN (in particular), edinburgh and stansted with upper departure lounges are air bridges.
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the terminal expansion that should have been in place for this summer is due to commence any time now and consists of a one tier extension of the departure lounge westwards, to a point about abeam the tower-occupying the space that used to have some portacabins and enginering buildings on it
the terminal redevelopement is still in the planning stages I believe there may be more news in the new year
good to hear some positive news on route developement-perhaps the 5 million pax for 2005 mentioned in the advert for the new MD is not a pipedream after all
the terminal redevelopement is still in the planning stages I believe there may be more news in the new year
good to hear some positive news on route developement-perhaps the 5 million pax for 2005 mentioned in the advert for the new MD is not a pipedream after all
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Can't see to much happenning at EMA while MAN have there grubby paws on it. Last i heard was all ema's car-parks were only half full this summer because of the prices. You see its a MAN thing, Screw the punters for what you can get.MAN is only interested in as we call it now NEMA, is the freight side of things.
So says the slug.................
So says the slug.................
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I believe the current plan for the 'new' terminal is to extend westwards encompassing the ATC tower. All of it is very much still in the planning stages and I believe a planning application will be made early in 2005. Lets hope they dont do it on the cheap and we do get a decent terminal!!
Here's hoping we get some airline/routes announcements soon!
Apparently baby is dropping down to 5 based a/c next summer. I've been told they will prob drop Dublin and a couple of other routes...transferring to BHX maybe?? We shud find out in a week or so when they announce Summer 05.
Here's hoping we get some airline/routes announcements soon!
Apparently baby is dropping down to 5 based a/c next summer. I've been told they will prob drop Dublin and a couple of other routes...transferring to BHX maybe?? We shud find out in a week or so when they announce Summer 05.
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Exactly, a decent terminal needs to be modern not made out of fabric with a temp design like the new check in bit, a lot larger more airy and very stylish eg the new luton or stansted or liverpool. It also could have provision for in future or include upstairs or an upstairs mezzanine catering outlet bit land side or have security and air side upstairs along with escualtors to modernise it. Not some cheap job such as that awful check in extension they should rebuild that as part of the plans to make it flush with the rest of the main check in hall imo.
Yes lets hope we get several positive announcements on new routes, i mean its not like we have to attract easyjet or ryanair as they already fly there its just getting them to expand.
On the cargo side of things that needs expansion to but the passenger side i think is what everyone is more bothered about sicne it is long overdue.
Yes lets hope we get several positive announcements on new routes, i mean its not like we have to attract easyjet or ryanair as they already fly there its just getting them to expand.
On the cargo side of things that needs expansion to but the passenger side i think is what everyone is more bothered about sicne it is long overdue.
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what you need to remember is that the 'temp' extension was put up for the very good reason that extra check in capacity was required quickly and without possible delays due to planning problems-the present building got round those problems and does the job-it also meant that money was not wasted on an extension that may well not fit in with future plans-its not going to be there forever, I also have no doubt that what transpires in the terminal redevelopement will meet the expectations of the traveling public-bearing in mind of course the market at which the airport is now aiming-airbridges etc are not favoured by our lo-cost bretheren!
what you need to remember is that the 'temp' extension was put up for the very good reason that extra check in capacity was required quickly and without possible delays due to planning problems-the present building got round those problems and does the job-it also meant that money was not wasted on an extension that may well not fit in with future plans-its not going to be there forever, I also have no doubt that what transpires in the terminal redevelopement will meet the expectations of the traveling public-bearing in mind of course the market at which the airport is now aiming-airbridges etc are not favoured by our lo-cost bretheren!
Let me briefly relate a discussion I had in Germany yesterday.
The discussion surrounded getting a German from Nürnberg to our office near Nottingham. Stansted was suggested, since there are direct flights - disadvantage, the arduous drive to Nottingham and cost of rental car. The someone said "what about East Midlands?" This was a no-go too, as there are no "proper" irlines offering interline facilities at AMS / FRA / CDG. So the solution - BHX.
NEMA has made it's own problem. It's scheduled services, with the exception of ABZ and BRU are by LCC carriers that are disliked by international business travellers because they cannot offer proper interline facilities. LCCs screw down costs to the extent that shiny new terminal facilities become more difficult to justify financially. So you wind up with a prefabricated "B&Q" type warehouse that serves as a check-in hall.
NEMA needs to shed (pardon the pun) it's loco image and attract at least one other full-service route to help get higher quality (spending) customers through the gate. Airports like LBA, NCL and BHX have managed to retain the full-service option, without missing out on LCC. This has to be the right strategy for NEMA.
As far cargo - that's surely where NEMA, and therefore MAG are making the money, and if I were them, I would be putting more efforts into improving freight facilities than chasing yet more bottom-end pax business.
Rant over!
The discussion surrounded getting a German from Nürnberg to our office near Nottingham. Stansted was suggested, since there are direct flights - disadvantage, the arduous drive to Nottingham and cost of rental car. The someone said "what about East Midlands?" This was a no-go too, as there are no "proper" irlines offering interline facilities at AMS / FRA / CDG. So the solution - BHX.
NEMA has made it's own problem. It's scheduled services, with the exception of ABZ and BRU are by LCC carriers that are disliked by international business travellers because they cannot offer proper interline facilities. LCCs screw down costs to the extent that shiny new terminal facilities become more difficult to justify financially. So you wind up with a prefabricated "B&Q" type warehouse that serves as a check-in hall.
NEMA needs to shed (pardon the pun) it's loco image and attract at least one other full-service route to help get higher quality (spending) customers through the gate. Airports like LBA, NCL and BHX have managed to retain the full-service option, without missing out on LCC. This has to be the right strategy for NEMA.
As far cargo - that's surely where NEMA, and therefore MAG are making the money, and if I were them, I would be putting more efforts into improving freight facilities than chasing yet more bottom-end pax business.
Rant over!
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the full service carrier we did have-BMI-treated NEMA as its personal feifdom-it was only too happy to fly half full aircraft with full fare pax-this is fine for the airline but not so good for the airport which loses out on the revenue generated by in the main pax throughput-and they still expect the airport to provide the facilities expected by those full fare pax
a good example was the christmas/new year period-everyone else would be heaving at these times, yet NEMA would be like a ghost airport-cancelled flights and all-I'm afraid we had little choice to go down the lo/co route and anyway it was hardly the airports idea to change all BMI mainline to baby!
a good example was the christmas/new year period-everyone else would be heaving at these times, yet NEMA would be like a ghost airport-cancelled flights and all-I'm afraid we had little choice to go down the lo/co route and anyway it was hardly the airports idea to change all BMI mainline to baby!
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Regarding EJ; why is AMS not served from NEMA? It is from all other bases, and at one time was in the Blue Ribbon group of their routes. However, they have left BMIbaby to monopolise the route, and not offer as convemient a schedule as EJ does within its network.
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Very nicely put ATNotts - explains very consisely why myself and many other business passengers I know and meet regularly now travel through BHX several times a month whereas in the past it was EMA that we used. And to add to that, the way EMA have hiked up the parking charges in comparison to what BHX charges (they'll get their money one way or another - reduce the landing fees but shaft the customers for parking instead), its almost cheaper for someone from the East Midlands region to drive to Birmingham anyway, and the last time I wanted to fly to CDG British Airways from BHX was cheaper than the so-called low-fare airline at EMA anyway! And whilst I note the perception from almost professional that bmi bled the airport, the lack of long term commitment to specific routes from the low-fare operators (e.g loss of some routes, significant reduction in frequencies and change to less convenient timings on others) hardly encourages a return of commitment from regular travellers.
IMHO, EMA is now starting to reap what it sowed with its encouragement of low cost operators - to quote one tennant in the terminal "its all boozers and shaggers now and they just don't spend, except in the bar". The EMA passenger figures are stagnating whilst most other airports are still delivering double digit growth and if Baby does cut more next year and nothing else changes I think there's a risk that the airport will start to see a decline in numbers because the UK-Med charter market is also in slow but long-term decline too. With none of the major based aircraft incumbants at the airport showing any inclination towards serious route development (the only thing that's happened recently been route withdrawals or juggling existing capacity onto new routes), a fair bit of hope must be being pinned on Ryanair increasing their presence at the airport to boost numbers. With the boozers and shaggers market, there's only so many times they want to go to Prague, or Cologne, whatever the price - sooner or later they want to try somewhere new, and without the route development EMA's passenger figures must be at risk - and as soon as the passengers reduce, the low-fare operators walk away from the route as they don't have the long term commitment full service airlines usually provide.
Finally, EMA used to be a nice place to fly from for regular passengers - simple to get through, fairly cheap for facilities like parking, quick for checkin, security, baggage reclaim and even the catering outlets. Now its just abismal long lines resulting from less than optimal facilities that the focus on cost reduction demands. Shame.
Andy
IMHO, EMA is now starting to reap what it sowed with its encouragement of low cost operators - to quote one tennant in the terminal "its all boozers and shaggers now and they just don't spend, except in the bar". The EMA passenger figures are stagnating whilst most other airports are still delivering double digit growth and if Baby does cut more next year and nothing else changes I think there's a risk that the airport will start to see a decline in numbers because the UK-Med charter market is also in slow but long-term decline too. With none of the major based aircraft incumbants at the airport showing any inclination towards serious route development (the only thing that's happened recently been route withdrawals or juggling existing capacity onto new routes), a fair bit of hope must be being pinned on Ryanair increasing their presence at the airport to boost numbers. With the boozers and shaggers market, there's only so many times they want to go to Prague, or Cologne, whatever the price - sooner or later they want to try somewhere new, and without the route development EMA's passenger figures must be at risk - and as soon as the passengers reduce, the low-fare operators walk away from the route as they don't have the long term commitment full service airlines usually provide.
Finally, EMA used to be a nice place to fly from for regular passengers - simple to get through, fairly cheap for facilities like parking, quick for checkin, security, baggage reclaim and even the catering outlets. Now its just abismal long lines resulting from less than optimal facilities that the focus on cost reduction demands. Shame.
Andy