Eujet Loads
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I'll stick with this thread rather than resurrect EUjet Routes.
Further examination of the website reveals more flights f/t SNN.
Aircraft utilisation is as follows
Sun 06.30 start to Faro and return, then Ibiza and return at 19.45
Tue 06.30 start to Murcia and return at 13.15
Wed 06.30 start to Malaga arr 10.30 dep 18.30 return at 20.45
Thu 06.30 start to Faro and return at 13.25
Sat 12.00 start to Murcia and return, then Malaga and return at 01.15 Sun
Any ideas what the planes will be doing at other times, particularly at Malaga in the Wed gap? The weekends will presumably be covered as now, by positioning from/to Manston.
Further examination of the website reveals more flights f/t SNN.
Aircraft utilisation is as follows
Sun 06.30 start to Faro and return, then Ibiza and return at 19.45
Tue 06.30 start to Murcia and return at 13.15
Wed 06.30 start to Malaga arr 10.30 dep 18.30 return at 20.45
Thu 06.30 start to Faro and return at 13.25
Sat 12.00 start to Murcia and return, then Malaga and return at 01.15 Sun
Any ideas what the planes will be doing at other times, particularly at Malaga in the Wed gap? The weekends will presumably be covered as now, by positioning from/to Manston.
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You all seem to be forgetting that this is half term week in Kent, if you cannot put bums on seats this weekend, when can you, i think that the telling times for EUJET will be the next few months, it may be a cold long winter for them.
As for advertising, just pick up a copy of the Kent Messenger and look at their full page ads, or listen to the radio coverage on KM-FM or Rado Kent, the people of Kent are well aware of their presence at MSE.
As for advertising, just pick up a copy of the Kent Messenger and look at their full page ads, or listen to the radio coverage on KM-FM or Rado Kent, the people of Kent are well aware of their presence at MSE.
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This weekend's loadings
SAT
MSE PRG 66
PRG MSE 37
MSE FAO 99
FAO MSE 29
MSE DUB 65
DUB MSE 41
MSE MJV 105
MJV MSE 61
SNN MJV 99
MJV SNN 75
SNN AGP 104
AGP SNN 72
MSE EDI 64
EDI MSE 46
MSE JER 51
JER MSE 32
MSE PMI 80
PMI MSE 49
MSE AGP 112 (737)
AGP MSE 45 (737)
SUN
MSE MJV 91
MJV MSE 58
MSE MAD 81
MAD MSE 41
MSE EDI 73
EDI MSE 73
MSE FAO 71
DUB MSE 31
MSE GRO 96
GRO MSE 32
MSE DUB 67
DUB MSE 59
SNN FAO 102
FAO MSE 39
SNN MSE 38
MSE MAN 51
MAN MSE 71
MSE AGP 90
AGP MSE 67
MSE PRG 60
PRG MSE 49
MSE NCE 78
NCE MSE 32
MSE AMS 56
AMS MSE 54
SAT
MSE PRG 66
PRG MSE 37
MSE FAO 99
FAO MSE 29
MSE DUB 65
DUB MSE 41
MSE MJV 105
MJV MSE 61
SNN MJV 99
MJV SNN 75
SNN AGP 104
AGP SNN 72
MSE EDI 64
EDI MSE 46
MSE JER 51
JER MSE 32
MSE PMI 80
PMI MSE 49
MSE AGP 112 (737)
AGP MSE 45 (737)
SUN
MSE MJV 91
MJV MSE 58
MSE MAD 81
MAD MSE 41
MSE EDI 73
EDI MSE 73
MSE FAO 71
DUB MSE 31
MSE GRO 96
GRO MSE 32
MSE DUB 67
DUB MSE 59
SNN FAO 102
FAO MSE 39
SNN MSE 38
MSE MAN 51
MAN MSE 71
MSE AGP 90
AGP MSE 67
MSE PRG 60
PRG MSE 49
MSE NCE 78
NCE MSE 32
MSE AMS 56
AMS MSE 54
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Impressive indeed , but to be fair on the other end : MSE - GRO of Oct. 19th had only 6 pax on a 2 hrs sector, " a VIP flight at low cost price " , let alone the ton of ballast that we fly around Europe coz of poor load.....I bet you the shingle start feeling VIP too !!!!
But if I'm impressed with this weekend's figures let me tell you that I am quit concern with the punctuality and the never ending saga of technical defects of Eujet Fleet.
Pax vobiscum.
Impressive indeed , but to be fair on the other end : MSE - GRO of Oct. 19th had only 6 pax on a 2 hrs sector, " a VIP flight at low cost price " , let alone the ton of ballast that we fly around Europe coz of poor load.....I bet you the shingle start feeling VIP too !!!!
But if I'm impressed with this weekend's figures let me tell you that I am quit concern with the punctuality and the never ending saga of technical defects of Eujet Fleet.
Pax vobiscum.
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"the revised services that are booking NOW. Programme starts on Sunday
27th March.
Faro
Mon dep 10.50 return 17.15
Thu ditto
Sat dep 13.55 return 20.20
Ibiza
Wed dep 10.20 return 13.35
Sat dep 09.30 return 14.45
Malaga
Sun dep 06.15 return 12.25
Mon ditto
Fri ditto
Sat ditto
Sat dep 15.15 return 21.25
Murcia
Sun dep 06.00 return 11.25
Tue dep 09.55 return 15.20
Fri dep 10.55 return 17.20
Despite all the negative stuff that's around, it looks as though the
leisure routes are doing well. 5 Malaga flights a week! Incredible.
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27th March.
Faro
Mon dep 10.50 return 17.15
Thu ditto
Sat dep 13.55 return 20.20
Ibiza
Wed dep 10.20 return 13.35
Sat dep 09.30 return 14.45
Malaga
Sun dep 06.15 return 12.25
Mon ditto
Fri ditto
Sat ditto
Sat dep 15.15 return 21.25
Murcia
Sun dep 06.00 return 11.25
Tue dep 09.55 return 15.20
Fri dep 10.55 return 17.20
Despite all the negative stuff that's around, it looks as though the
leisure routes are doing well. 5 Malaga flights a week! Incredible.
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I really wonder whether it's wise to start Ibiza by the end of March as the season only starts in June or so, but I have not been particularly impressed with their network decisions anyway as it was pretty obvious that all other low-cost carriers flying from UK regional airports were mainly doing well on leisure routes and not on routes like Milan (which failed for Flybe., bmibaby etc.) or Copenhagen. I am not really surprised to see them concentrating on the leisure business, maybe they should have a look at some CAA figures from other airports in order to get the frequencies right (e.g. Ibiza in April 
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There were times (15 months ago) when I flew to Bergamo with Ryanair, Fly-be, Jet2 and BMI baby from the U.K. and was told at check-in that the flight was 98% full 
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Jes, from your passenger figures above, load factors are averaging at 60% for a school holiday weekend!
To survive, the industry norm is 'more than 80%' begins to make a profit.
To survive, the industry norm is 'more than 80%' begins to make a profit.
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At an 80% (Break even) load factor that is.....103 flights in Sept? So if EU flew more than 3.5 single flights per day in Sept, they could be assumed to be losing money, fact?
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Buster,
It's not as simple as all that, I'm not convinced break even is 80%. The management seem to think it's a bout 50%(based on press statements). Also as I've already pointed out a loss making eujet can be funded by planestation if the passenger numbers mean the airport is running at a profit.
It's not as simple as all that, I'm not convinced break even is 80%. The management seem to think it's a bout 50%(based on press statements). Also as I've already pointed out a loss making eujet can be funded by planestation if the passenger numbers mean the airport is running at a profit.
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Ý have it on pretty good authority that they need bookings of around 3000 pax per day to make it work: however that may not take in to account any cross subsidy from the parent.
Also heard that one F100 was impounded at MXP last week pending resolutýon of outstanding litigation. Anyone know anything about that??
Also heard that one F100 was impounded at MXP last week pending resolutýon of outstanding litigation. Anyone know anything about that??
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serko is wrong. They probably need 3500 bookings per day to break even when their production is 2800 seats perday. seems like they are asking the drain how much it wants poured down it.
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Can an airport cross subsidise an airline, even if they own it?
The airline can make a loss if the airport makes a profit! I hope the losses of the airline are less than the profit of the airport!
Now the (Not) sensible thing for another lo-co is to start routes from Manston to the same destinations as EU and get the same ' financial assistance'!
50% break even, bear's do not believe fairy tales!
The airline can make a loss if the airport makes a profit! I hope the losses of the airline are less than the profit of the airport!
Now the (Not) sensible thing for another lo-co is to start routes from Manston to the same destinations as EU and get the same ' financial assistance'!
50% break even, bear's do not believe fairy tales!
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Sorry Serko obviously my source was wrong, but with 5 F100s all configured in 108Y that would suggest a total of 1080 seats available per rotation.
4 rotations per day 4320 available seats and 3000 bookings per day would be a load factor of about 70%.
Even accounting for the jet which has been impounded, the leased in 737 more than covers those 'lost' seats.
4 rotations per day 4320 available seats and 3000 bookings per day would be a load factor of about 70%.
Even accounting for the jet which has been impounded, the leased in 737 more than covers those 'lost' seats.
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Can an airport cross subsidise an airline, even if they own it?
With Ryanair/Charleroi the problem was that the airport is owned by the state, and it is unfair state subsidies to business that the EU gets worried about.
Unless a private company is engaged in predatory pricing with the intention of putting another company out of business, then the competition authorities aren’t too fussed about what the private sector gets up to.
Not only do the owners of Manston have no obligation to be even handed in offering subsidies to other operators (charter, full service, lo-co or whatever) – if they thought it would threaten the viability of EUJET, they are quite within their rights to say no to anyone else who wants to fly there.
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Have a look on planestations website, www.planestation.com, there's a nice graph showing the pax load figure projections for eujet, i guess September was sale time, hence the large jump in sales.