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Slots applied for means not that much: eho saw BMI to LAS slots coming or BT to RIX? Or even AA to MIA? This all looks very ambitious by EZY and am not totally convinced it is actually what will happen at MAN!!
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GB Airways are to start up the MAN base at least a month earlier I am reliably informed ! On the proviso they get hold of an airframe which they expect to arrive in Feb/March !
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GB Airways at MAN
When GB Airways announced new routes to Malaga, Tenerife, Funchal, Paphos and Malta, we were assured they would be increasing their fleet and routes from manchester in due course.
To which destinations are they expected to fly in the future? And how many aircraft are due to be based at MAN?
To which destinations are they expected to fly in the future? And how many aircraft are due to be based at MAN?
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Happy to be proved wrong, but am I right in thinking that all the LPL EZY seats for next summer went on sale earlier than most - I had the impression that all apart from flights to BFS went on sale straightaway whilst other UK locations came out much more piecemeal?
If that is correct, perhaps EZY have a strategy of getting as many LPL seats sold as early as they can, before announcing MAN flights after Christmas, and getting a rush there too? The predictions of doom for LPL seem premature too, at least for next summer, as I can't imagine EZY would reduce/consolidate flights significantly after having put a full programme on sale.
I think there is room for EZY at both LPL and MAN, and RYR at LPL - seems to work at LTN/STN OK (we can argue catchment areas, but the NW of England as a whole has a huge population). Maybe also economies of scale for EZY if both bases operate the same aircraft - a joint base for crew perhaps? Do they do this for LTN/STN, which are a similar distance apart?
If that is correct, perhaps EZY have a strategy of getting as many LPL seats sold as early as they can, before announcing MAN flights after Christmas, and getting a rush there too? The predictions of doom for LPL seem premature too, at least for next summer, as I can't imagine EZY would reduce/consolidate flights significantly after having put a full programme on sale.
I think there is room for EZY at both LPL and MAN, and RYR at LPL - seems to work at LTN/STN OK (we can argue catchment areas, but the NW of England as a whole has a huge population). Maybe also economies of scale for EZY if both bases operate the same aircraft - a joint base for crew perhaps? Do they do this for LTN/STN, which are a similar distance apart?
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The online bookings for Liverpool came out for summer 2005 approx 7 weeks prior to the normal release date. All flights to all destinations were released apart from those flights flown by Belfast based aircraft. They have now been released also.
The number of departures per week is set at 194 with seven based aircraft. This total compares with 202 (at its peak) with eight based aircraft for summer 2004.
I expect the eighth aircraft to come back in summer 2005 with at least one new, to easyJet, destination from Liverpool.
BTW, other routes on the EZY network have also been getting earlier release dates for booking online.
The number of departures per week is set at 194 with seven based aircraft. This total compares with 202 (at its peak) with eight based aircraft for summer 2004.
I expect the eighth aircraft to come back in summer 2005 with at least one new, to easyJet, destination from Liverpool.
BTW, other routes on the EZY network have also been getting earlier release dates for booking online.
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GB Airways at MAN
From what I had heard, early bookings and demand are beyond expectations. They have also announced another aircraft and further expansion at LHR. The MAN aircraft was due in May but I understand they are looking to get hold of it ASAP. MAN still will have AT LEAST 3 airframes but just quicker than origianlly planned. As for future routes, expect the usual - Morocco, Tunisia and Canaries etc !
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So when can we expect an announcement from EZY on the Manchester routes? And when can bookings be made? Everyone at MAN is talking about it so the cat is well and truly out of the bag!
Also, I can't see Air India really being much of a service to the Asian population of the NW of they are only operating transits.......the majority of pax will be flying Delhi - Toronto so there wont be much room for the Manchester Delhi only pax!
Also, I can't see Air India really being much of a service to the Asian population of the NW of they are only operating transits.......the majority of pax will be flying Delhi - Toronto so there wont be much room for the Manchester Delhi only pax!
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Hi Gayrugbybloke,
With RYR announcment due today re LPL, it makes me wonder if this is all lo-co mind games and little will actually happen as regards to EZY at MAN...
Not convinced (yet !!)
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With RYR announcment due today re LPL, it makes me wonder if this is all lo-co mind games and little will actually happen as regards to EZY at MAN...
Not convinced (yet !!)
Rgds
Steve
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Ryanair take the biscuit: how on earth can Reus be described as Barcelona?! Its over50 miles away with no links to Barcelona city centre and would be more orrectly called Tarragona, surely?!
I think this announcement spells the end for EZY at LPL. EZY have alwats prided hemselves on using major airports, and passengers from Manchester dont want to fly to Denmark but land in Sweden or fly to Oslo but be in Torp, 70 miles away etc etc.
We look forward to welcoming EZY shortly at MAN!
I think this announcement spells the end for EZY at LPL. EZY have alwats prided hemselves on using major airports, and passengers from Manchester dont want to fly to Denmark but land in Sweden or fly to Oslo but be in Torp, 70 miles away etc etc.
We look forward to welcoming EZY shortly at MAN!
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(I think this announcement spells the end for EZY at LPL. EZY have alwats prided hemselves on using major airports, and passengers from Manchester dont want to fly to Denmark but land in Sweden or fly to Oslo but be in Torp, 70 miles away etc etc.)
(We look forward to welcoming EZY shortly at MAN!)
Forgive me for laughing but I am certain Jet2 and Baby are the first targets Ezy will not base just run flight's from Man
Don't forget Liverpool have the three main players EZY, RYR, and Flybe.( passengers from Manchester dont want to fly to Denmark but land in Sweden or fly to Oslo but be in Torp, 70 miles away etc etc.)
May be But they will still fill RYR aircraft
Be ready for more shock news from Liverpool at least two more Large happenings I know about may be more
(We look forward to welcoming EZY shortly at MAN!)
Forgive me for laughing but I am certain Jet2 and Baby are the first targets Ezy will not base just run flight's from Man
Don't forget Liverpool have the three main players EZY, RYR, and Flybe.( passengers from Manchester dont want to fly to Denmark but land in Sweden or fly to Oslo but be in Torp, 70 miles away etc etc.)
May be But they will still fill RYR aircraft
Be ready for more shock news from Liverpool at least two more Large happenings I know about may be more
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Am I missing the point here.
Looking at all the recent Loco route announcements in the NW all the airlines involved seem to be tiptoing around each other - trying to create their own niches.
The only real competition seems to be on the safe bets, major Spanish holiday routes, which the charter carriers still carry a huge chunk of.
eg MAN - Alicante September 2001
Schedule 29656 pax
Charter 46288 pax
So where is the real competition?
If I want a weekend break in Prague or Hamburg or Basle or Amsterdam or London, etc.
Where is my Loco choice?
Looking at all the recent Loco route announcements in the NW all the airlines involved seem to be tiptoing around each other - trying to create their own niches.
The only real competition seems to be on the safe bets, major Spanish holiday routes, which the charter carriers still carry a huge chunk of.
eg MAN - Alicante September 2001
Schedule 29656 pax
Charter 46288 pax
So where is the real competition?
If I want a weekend break in Prague or Hamburg or Basle or Amsterdam or London, etc.
Where is my Loco choice?
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"They will still fill RYR a/c"
Will they now....
I live in Stockport, directly under 24R at MAN, which is 5 mins from the airport itself, and have used LPL many, many times to fly with EZY....great no probs....would do it again, no probs ( even tho flying from MAN is much preferred on EVERY count & is worth paying more for ), but WILL not use RYR, poor destination locations being my foremost reason....therefore EZY, JET2 etc etc keep my business.
Thing is i dont think i am alone....EZY & gang will not suffer in my eyes as an end user...and it's end users that REALLY matter...not another my airport / your airport thread on PPRUNE.
Will they now....
I live in Stockport, directly under 24R at MAN, which is 5 mins from the airport itself, and have used LPL many, many times to fly with EZY....great no probs....would do it again, no probs ( even tho flying from MAN is much preferred on EVERY count & is worth paying more for ), but WILL not use RYR, poor destination locations being my foremost reason....therefore EZY, JET2 etc etc keep my business.
Thing is i dont think i am alone....EZY & gang will not suffer in my eyes as an end user...and it's end users that REALLY matter...not another my airport / your airport thread on PPRUNE.
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I see Las Vegas and Miami are doing extremely well in their early days....might we see Virgin see the potential of a rival LAS service...? Rumours have been heard along these lines.....
Whispers also suggest another Middle Eastern carrier might be gracing the tarmac at MAN soon......
Whispers also suggest another Middle Eastern carrier might be gracing the tarmac at MAN soon......
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easyJet webcast
Whilst not wanting to raise hopes, it is definately worthwhile listening to the webcast, that has been refered to on another thread, of the easyJet 2003/2004 preliminary accounts. It does go on for a while, but it gives a very good insight into the workings of easyJet and their plans for the future.
NO mention of specific airports for expansion are given, but the following points are raised:
1/ 16 new aircraft to be delivered in 2005.
2/ An increased frequency of flights from existing airports.
3/ Joining the dots - ie adding flight between existing airports.
4/ 1 or 2 new new bases are possible in 2005
5/ By increasing aircraft utilisation easyJet expect to have the equivalent of an extra 2.5 aircraft in their fleet.
6/ Easier to apply leverage to new airports for rate. Still able to get benefits from existing airports but harder than new airports.
7/ Threat to withdraw from airports that they do not find attractive.
8/ Answer to specific question re Liverpool base -
a) No real change
b) Aware of pressure from locos basing at Manchester - and keeping an eye on it.
c) Feel that Ryanair are behind easyJet , but that the 2 airlines are complementary to seat other.
Listen and watch and then reach your own decision.
(edited for grammatical and spelling errors)
NO mention of specific airports for expansion are given, but the following points are raised:
1/ 16 new aircraft to be delivered in 2005.
2/ An increased frequency of flights from existing airports.
3/ Joining the dots - ie adding flight between existing airports.
4/ 1 or 2 new new bases are possible in 2005
5/ By increasing aircraft utilisation easyJet expect to have the equivalent of an extra 2.5 aircraft in their fleet.
6/ Easier to apply leverage to new airports for rate. Still able to get benefits from existing airports but harder than new airports.
7/ Threat to withdraw from airports that they do not find attractive.
8/ Answer to specific question re Liverpool base -
a) No real change
b) Aware of pressure from locos basing at Manchester - and keeping an eye on it.
c) Feel that Ryanair are behind easyJet , but that the 2 airlines are complementary to seat other.
Listen and watch and then reach your own decision.
(edited for grammatical and spelling errors)
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Whispers also suggest another Middle Eastern carrier might be gracing the tarmac at MAN soon......
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Does anyone still monitor the On-time performance at Manchester? see below...
Manchester Scheduled Airlines Jan-Jun 2004
Figures are: Avg Delay (mins), OTP (%), > 1hr late (%), >3 hrs late (%), Total Flights
1 VLM Airlines 4.66 92.35 1.33 0.09 2,262
2 bmi Regional 5.01 91.52 1.57 0.02 4,009
3 Eastern Airways 5.38 92.76 2.07 0.36 2,223
4 SN Brussels Airlines 5.88 92.14 2.07 0.31 967
5 Ryanair 7.47 87.59 2.22 0.36 1,394
6 Scandinavian 7.90 83.94 1.81 0.00 1,494
7 Luxair 8.00 88.89 3.06 0.56 720
8 Lufthansa 8.27 84.15 2.16 0.17 1,205
9 Aer Lingus 8.85 83.56 2.57 0.18 1,673
10 British Airways 9.31 82.12 2.56 0.20 6,142
11 BA CitiExpress 9.48 83.77 3.90 0.32 24,571
12 Monarch Scheduled 9.50 83.83 2.97 0.47 2,765
13 Air France 10.00 81.87 3.48 0.05 2,129
14 Lufthansa City Line 10.04 80.64 3.40 0.15 2,737
15 Swiss Airlines 10.53 77.09 2.54 0.07 1,340
16 bmi British Midland 13.19 74.33 4.52 0.18 3,319
17 KLM (Mainline, et al.) 13.21 76.26 5.29 0.43 2,325
18 Emirates 17.83 70.56 4.81 1.10 727
19 Aurigny 19.15 70.27 7.41 1.10 999
20 bmi baby 26.26 56.97 11.80 1.62 3,830
21 Pakistan International 40.40 51.48 15.68 4.64 1,014
Looks like only PIA is worse than the baby but why is baby's performance so poor
Source: flightontime.info
Manchester Scheduled Airlines Jan-Jun 2004
Figures are: Avg Delay (mins), OTP (%), > 1hr late (%), >3 hrs late (%), Total Flights
1 VLM Airlines 4.66 92.35 1.33 0.09 2,262
2 bmi Regional 5.01 91.52 1.57 0.02 4,009
3 Eastern Airways 5.38 92.76 2.07 0.36 2,223
4 SN Brussels Airlines 5.88 92.14 2.07 0.31 967
5 Ryanair 7.47 87.59 2.22 0.36 1,394
6 Scandinavian 7.90 83.94 1.81 0.00 1,494
7 Luxair 8.00 88.89 3.06 0.56 720
8 Lufthansa 8.27 84.15 2.16 0.17 1,205
9 Aer Lingus 8.85 83.56 2.57 0.18 1,673
10 British Airways 9.31 82.12 2.56 0.20 6,142
11 BA CitiExpress 9.48 83.77 3.90 0.32 24,571
12 Monarch Scheduled 9.50 83.83 2.97 0.47 2,765
13 Air France 10.00 81.87 3.48 0.05 2,129
14 Lufthansa City Line 10.04 80.64 3.40 0.15 2,737
15 Swiss Airlines 10.53 77.09 2.54 0.07 1,340
16 bmi British Midland 13.19 74.33 4.52 0.18 3,319
17 KLM (Mainline, et al.) 13.21 76.26 5.29 0.43 2,325
18 Emirates 17.83 70.56 4.81 1.10 727
19 Aurigny 19.15 70.27 7.41 1.10 999
20 bmi baby 26.26 56.97 11.80 1.62 3,830
21 Pakistan International 40.40 51.48 15.68 4.64 1,014
Looks like only PIA is worse than the baby but why is baby's performance so poor
Source: flightontime.info
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Last week most of us were practically wetting our collective jockstraps at the prospect of EZY coming to Manchester. It's now gone so quiet in here you can here a pin drop.....whats the core?!
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Does anyone have a reason as to why bmibaby's average delay at MAN is nearly 30 mins ? - see table above. Is it technical problems or are they trying to deliver faster turnrounds for low cost of 25 mins and can't achieve them at MAN? It could be relevant to Flightrider's earlier posting when he detailed the schedule of ezy at MAN full of 25 min turnrounds.