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It must be time to ask dear old Claude, if he is still around and come out of retirement
TO dust off the cobwebbs from a Nord 262 or two, even find a Dak or find something more up to date, like the budgie ( for the young this would be a Avro 748) even re-invent INTRA Airways.
It would be nice to turn the clocks back and have these Airlines start operating some of the good old FRENCH routes that Jersey or even Guernsey had a few decades ago.
With fast ferries operating now, the days of French day trippers to the Channel Island are long gone never to return.
TO dust off the cobwebbs from a Nord 262 or two, even find a Dak or find something more up to date, like the budgie ( for the young this would be a Avro 748) even re-invent INTRA Airways.
It would be nice to turn the clocks back and have these Airlines start operating some of the good old FRENCH routes that Jersey or even Guernsey had a few decades ago.
With fast ferries operating now, the days of French day trippers to the Channel Island are long gone never to return.
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Channel Island Flights Summer 2006
Can anyone confirm who will be operating all four of the German destinations for the comming summer 2006.
We have heard they will possible be operated by DLH BAE146 or even B737-500.
If this is correct it will increase the capicity by 50% or more which would be very good if the flights are fully for the tourist industrie in both Islands proving they are still going to operate as a triangle service.
The other thing we have heard, with Swiss Saab 2000s being sold or least another SWISS operator will be operating the Zurich route,
The company may be Darwin Airlines who have a least two or even more Saab 2000 aircraft.
We understand Servisair may lose another contract for this comming summer in the form of the Lufthansa as Aurigny handle them in Guernsey and would be keen to do the same in Jersey.
We have heard they will possible be operated by DLH BAE146 or even B737-500.
If this is correct it will increase the capicity by 50% or more which would be very good if the flights are fully for the tourist industrie in both Islands proving they are still going to operate as a triangle service.
The other thing we have heard, with Swiss Saab 2000s being sold or least another SWISS operator will be operating the Zurich route,
The company may be Darwin Airlines who have a least two or even more Saab 2000 aircraft.
We understand Servisair may lose another contract for this comming summer in the form of the Lufthansa as Aurigny handle them in Guernsey and would be keen to do the same in Jersey.
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Well a few weeks back on Channel TV there was a small news report concerning Jersey Airport. The report mentioned the airport was in talks with a new carrier to Zurich. It was interesting that the carrier Helvetic was mentioned. I don't know how reliable that is but it may have some connection to the summer ZRH flights?
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If ascil do get handling of ei and tom it could well be a disaster, it would appear that some of the staff were against handling anything other than BA as it re-iterated the fact they are not part of an airline anymore, just a glorified handling agent with a bad attitude towards new business. It doesn't surprise me that a majority of aviance staff left over the summer in search of better jobs where they were appreciated. On the other hand servisair do have their own issues as well, a habit of good classroom training with poor practical back-up resulting in staff working silly hours to cover shortfalls.
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With reference to your reply on A.S.C.I.L, possibley taking on Paddy and Tommy handling good luck to them.
Many years ago before your time i would say, British Airways had a stake in Paddy.
Your comment almost implys there may be some sour grapes floating around.
If outsiders do not know A.S.C.I.L. do what we call landside handling and Aviance do the airside.
Meaning A.S.C.I.L. do the passenger side and Aviance look after the baggage, aircraft cleaning and pushback.
Servisair did the airside handling until i think the end of March 2005.
Everybody when a contract comes up for renewal are looking not only at a good value for the job but not neccessary the cheapest bidder, so end the sermon.
Many years ago before your time i would say, British Airways had a stake in Paddy.
Your comment almost implys there may be some sour grapes floating around.
If outsiders do not know A.S.C.I.L. do what we call landside handling and Aviance do the airside.
Meaning A.S.C.I.L. do the passenger side and Aviance look after the baggage, aircraft cleaning and pushback.
Servisair did the airside handling until i think the end of March 2005.
Everybody when a contract comes up for renewal are looking not only at a good value for the job but not neccessary the cheapest bidder, so end the sermon.
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I'm not to sure how you got your thong in such a twist, but ASCIL are a great company. But like any company they have their problems.
BA pulled out of JER back in 1996 and since then Airline Services (CI) Ltd have been handeling them.
Seeing as all of the senior BA staff in JER were made redundent, they grouped together to form ASCIL. Naturally they do have a biased attitude towards BA and i think its understandable.
Only within the past few years have they taken on extras such as Air Southwest (WOW) and Twinjet (T7)
With Aviance pulling out of passenger handeling in JER and it being agreed that ASCIL would be taking this on, naturally several changes have been made quickly and people are still trying to get used to this. The fact that several Aviance members (of which are & were great to work with) have left, have been to do with personnal issues.
I hope this clears a few "issues" up.
OA 32's remarks regarding ServisAir in JER could not be closer to the truth. The latest rumour on the grape vine is that they are due to pull out of JER by 2007.
Anyone out there with more information on this....?
I'm not to sure how you got your thong in such a twist, but ASCIL are a great company. But like any company they have their problems.
BA pulled out of JER back in 1996 and since then Airline Services (CI) Ltd have been handeling them.
Seeing as all of the senior BA staff in JER were made redundent, they grouped together to form ASCIL. Naturally they do have a biased attitude towards BA and i think its understandable.
Only within the past few years have they taken on extras such as Air Southwest (WOW) and Twinjet (T7)
With Aviance pulling out of passenger handeling in JER and it being agreed that ASCIL would be taking this on, naturally several changes have been made quickly and people are still trying to get used to this. The fact that several Aviance members (of which are & were great to work with) have left, have been to do with personnal issues.
I hope this clears a few "issues" up.
OA 32's remarks regarding ServisAir in JER could not be closer to the truth. The latest rumour on the grape vine is that they are due to pull out of JER by 2007.
Anyone out there with more information on this....?
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Regarding your reply to OA32, presuming by "Paddy" you mean EI - for which you deserve a swift kick from akerosid - BA have never had a stake in EI. Talked about in the meeja a few times, but never happened.
Regarding your reply to OA32, presuming by "Paddy" you mean EI - for which you deserve a swift kick from akerosid - BA have never had a stake in EI. Talked about in the meeja a few times, but never happened.
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Yeah, GBAL ... because we're still in the '70s! I thought that kind of thing went out years ago!
Anyway, just back from a trip to the old sod (Shannon, to be exact, where - due to my pronouncements on various forums, I need a military escort and a bodyguard!) ... good trip with both airlines, FR and BE, with the only tiny differentiating factor being that for a 25-30 minute return flight from JER to SOU, I was charged a shade under £200 and for LGW-SNN, I was charged £76 (£15 out and £59 back - which was fair enough, because the flight was pretty well packed solid). And LGW-SNN is twice as long and, as if to ram things home, just over a third of the price.
(On the way back, I said "stuff SOU, I'll try and fly direct" and in fairness, BE were very helpful, for a small surcharge and another ... small surcharge and a surcharge again for putting on a surcharge they'd forgotten about earlier. Maybe Mr. French can change his first name to Charge, so when he's knighted ...
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Anyway, that's how it is here; we're a captive market with a high cost airport and airlines flying not much more than 100-120 seat aircraft and not much incentive to fly anything else and with the Jersey authorities, to quote Mr. B, about as effective as a catflap in an elephant house in tackling this issue, it looks like nothing's going to chanrge. Unfortunately, what it's going to take is the equivalent of the tombstone imperative ... a major disaster (as in an airline pulling out or going under), before they start to get their act together - by which time putting the things right will be a lot more costly.
Anyway, just back from a trip to the old sod (Shannon, to be exact, where - due to my pronouncements on various forums, I need a military escort and a bodyguard!) ... good trip with both airlines, FR and BE, with the only tiny differentiating factor being that for a 25-30 minute return flight from JER to SOU, I was charged a shade under £200 and for LGW-SNN, I was charged £76 (£15 out and £59 back - which was fair enough, because the flight was pretty well packed solid). And LGW-SNN is twice as long and, as if to ram things home, just over a third of the price.
(On the way back, I said "stuff SOU, I'll try and fly direct" and in fairness, BE were very helpful, for a small surcharge and another ... small surcharge and a surcharge again for putting on a surcharge they'd forgotten about earlier. Maybe Mr. French can change his first name to Charge, so when he's knighted ...
)Anyway, that's how it is here; we're a captive market with a high cost airport and airlines flying not much more than 100-120 seat aircraft and not much incentive to fly anything else and with the Jersey authorities, to quote Mr. B, about as effective as a catflap in an elephant house in tackling this issue, it looks like nothing's going to chanrge. Unfortunately, what it's going to take is the equivalent of the tombstone imperative ... a major disaster (as in an airline pulling out or going under), before they start to get their act together - by which time putting the things right will be a lot more costly.
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presuming by "Paddy" you mean EI - for which you deserve a swift kick from akerosid - BA have never had a stake in EI.
If BA did not have a stakehold in our friends from over the north sea (EI), but i have heard that they do (or did) have a stake in QF...? Any more info??
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REF- EI AND BA
With the connection between these companies you will find this goes back many a decade or two, the tie up was the very old British European Airways back in the 1960s i do believe.
But what the full tie up was one would have to look in the darkest deepths of the archives to give you the full story.
But what the full tie up was one would have to look in the darkest deepths of the archives to give you the full story.
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Jersey Dash 8
Jersey had a dead dash today a lunch and missed ot the Bristol and early afternoon Southampton sectors was this another hyd prob or just another Dash problem.
With all the problems with the Dash do they need more Bae146s ???, if so there seems to be a number at Kemble awaiting a new home.
We know the Embraers are due to come but with the release of the 2006 timetable they need a lot of reliable aircraft to operate them.
With all the problems with the Dash do they need more Bae146s ???, if so there seems to be a number at Kemble awaiting a new home.
We know the Embraers are due to come but with the release of the 2006 timetable they need a lot of reliable aircraft to operate them.
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Rockhopper
Now Rockhopper has relocated to Jersey in the old Aurigny departure lounge near the old stand 31 and ideas on there next big step into the world of aviaition in the Channel islands.
With the rumours of the Jetstreams being operated by them any up date on this operation?????
If the rumour is correct they are getting two Jetstreams, that is a lot more work they need to to get and utilise these aircraft as they are not as cheap to operate as the old and faithful doodle bug and little sister.
With the rumours of the Jetstreams being operated by them any up date on this operation?????
If the rumour is correct they are getting two Jetstreams, that is a lot more work they need to to get and utilise these aircraft as they are not as cheap to operate as the old and faithful doodle bug and little sister.
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I notice that according to the Air Southwest website there are some minor changes to the WOW summer schedule to Jersey. From the 20th May until the 20th September Bristol will be linked directly to Jersey on Saturdays. The normal service via Plymouth will also operate though this flight doesn't return to BRS. So for 2005 JER has an extra Saturday WOW service which is pleasing.
Other good news is that a new daily Flybe service from Jersey to Edinburgh is now bookable on their website. Saturday still has two flights.
Depart Edinburgh 10:15
Arrive Jersey 11:55
Depart Jersey: 12:20
Arrive Edinburgh: 14:00
Other good news is that a new daily Flybe service from Jersey to Edinburgh is now bookable on their website. Saturday still has two flights.
Depart Edinburgh 10:15
Arrive Jersey 11:55
Depart Jersey: 12:20
Arrive Edinburgh: 14:00
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BE EDI->JER->EDI Summer 2006 / AX Ops at ACI & JER
J-Guy :
What beady little eyes you have!!
With regards to this service, it might be chartered out to one of the Travel agents in JER or EDI with 1 f half the aircraft sold through the Agent, the other through flyBE. If it is not a charter operation, then this is not a real flight!!! Whilst working with reservation systems, i know that you can book a flight with flybe JER->EDI but infact rather than stating it as direct, it stops at either EXT or SOU.
AX @ ACI & JER:
ACI's facilities last time i was there (2 summers back) the facilities were as they have been for at least the last twenty years. How can i put it nicely... The facilities at ACI are TIRED!!!
With regards to JER, can anyone tell me how AX have gotten away with moving into the old GR lounge. I assume this is mearly their ops and not as a ck-in and departure lounge. Anyway, it definately cannot be a permanent residence in there due to the 1937 building soon to be demolished. Any news on this matter...?
What beady little eyes you have!!
With regards to this service, it might be chartered out to one of the Travel agents in JER or EDI with 1 f half the aircraft sold through the Agent, the other through flyBE. If it is not a charter operation, then this is not a real flight!!! Whilst working with reservation systems, i know that you can book a flight with flybe JER->EDI but infact rather than stating it as direct, it stops at either EXT or SOU.
AX @ ACI & JER:
ACI's facilities last time i was there (2 summers back) the facilities were as they have been for at least the last twenty years. How can i put it nicely... The facilities at ACI are TIRED!!!
With regards to JER, can anyone tell me how AX have gotten away with moving into the old GR lounge. I assume this is mearly their ops and not as a ck-in and departure lounge. Anyway, it definately cannot be a permanent residence in there due to the 1937 building soon to be demolished. Any news on this matter...?
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Apparently there is to be a public meeting/debate between the two chief minister candidates, Walker and Syvret, this evening, at St. James Centre (beside the Admiral pub) ; it might be a good idea to pose some questions about Jersey's air transport policy (such as it is) and see what the duo have to say for themselves.
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My oppologies. No offense was ment with my remark, but when ever i sold a ticket fro flyBE on such a route on Amadeus, it would show nothing about a stop over thats all. Plus it doesn't show a stop over on a paper ticket. This i believe has something todo with the fare structures....
My oppologies. No offense was ment with my remark, but when ever i sold a ticket fro flyBE on such a route on Amadeus, it would show nothing about a stop over thats all. Plus it doesn't show a stop over on a paper ticket. This i believe has something todo with the fare structures....
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I hear Rockhopper will start crew training shortly on there Jetstream 31's and have got some ex ChanEx f27 crews
working for them.
Route mentioned for these aircraft are BOH-IOM-GLO-LYX
we will have to see if it all becomes reality
working for them.
Route mentioned for these aircraft are BOH-IOM-GLO-LYX
we will have to see if it all becomes reality