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It seems the ER145 is being phased out, does this mean an end to their "Jet Service" but I also understand that they have procured (rather than sub leased from the ex-fleet of Bral)another J.41, can anyone confirm?
How are they performing against BMi regional or have they kissed and made up and settled their differences not drive one another out of business?
Is Finningley a possible new base for Eastern?
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How are they performing against BMi regional or have they kissed and made up and settled their differences not drive one another out of business?
Is Finningley a possible new base for Eastern?
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Hadn't heard anything about the 145s, but I had heard that they were acquiring Sun-Air of Scandinavia's two J41s. Sun-Air have taken on a load of Dornier 328s to re-equip and rumour had it that their two J41s (which are immaculate) had been sold to Eastern.
And PS - wouldn't have thought Finningley would figure. I think Eastern has quite enough bases to be getting along with - my calculations make it nine (HUY MME EMA LBA NCL NWI ABZ IOM INV) and I thought they were trying to reduce this slightly rather than keep opening new bases at every airport throughout the land.
And PS - wouldn't have thought Finningley would figure. I think Eastern has quite enough bases to be getting along with - my calculations make it nine (HUY MME EMA LBA NCL NWI ABZ IOM INV) and I thought they were trying to reduce this slightly rather than keep opening new bases at every airport throughout the land.
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Any chance of expansion from their HOME BASE Humberside??
Why havent they started flights to Brussels from HUY? The route has always been profitable, and it is a 90% business market, which would fit in well with the high fares that Eastern charges.
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Mike
Why havent they started flights to Brussels from HUY? The route has always been profitable, and it is a 90% business market, which would fit in well with the high fares that Eastern charges.
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From another site,Eastern now have TWO replacement ERJ145s!
SE-LOM now in Eastern titles ,and
SE-DZA to become G-CCYH,which left Southend on Friday(17th) in FULL colours.
Also added G-MAJN J41 ex OY-SVS,nothing on the other one.
Credit to Tony Kirkbright
(edited to spell Tony's name correctly!)
Apologies for inaccuracies in previous post--
SE-LOM(035, ex HB-IZS) is a Saab 2000 leased to cover maintenance on SE-LOX(009,ex HB-IZF) Saab 2000 already in service.
Therefore back to ONE ERJ145!
Could someone tell me which route the Saab is operating?
SE-LOM now in Eastern titles ,and
SE-DZA to become G-CCYH,which left Southend on Friday(17th) in FULL colours.
Also added G-MAJN J41 ex OY-SVS,nothing on the other one.
Credit to Tony Kirkbright
(edited to spell Tony's name correctly!)
Apologies for inaccuracies in previous post--
SE-LOM(035, ex HB-IZS) is a Saab 2000 leased to cover maintenance on SE-LOX(009,ex HB-IZF) Saab 2000 already in service.
Therefore back to ONE ERJ145!
Could someone tell me which route the Saab is operating?
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The Saab 2000 operates the Norwich to Aberdeen route after they removed the ERJ to fly Aberdeen to Southampton
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MME Movements
At present the E145 fly's ABZ-NCL-SOU, took over from the S2000 beginning of summer. S2000 doing ABZ-NWI.
However rumour has it the 2000 coming back on the route this winter!
However rumour has it the 2000 coming back on the route this winter!
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There is a strong rumour going around Humberside that rescently an Eastern Airways Captain has been demoted for leaving EDI with insufficient fuel. Has anyone any furthur details.
The topic is alleged phasing out of the ER145 and Eastern's performance against BMi. Please keep it on track. Thanks
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The topic is alleged phasing out of the ER145 and Eastern's performance against BMi. Please keep it on track. Thanks
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FUEL PLANNING
When you say "insufficient" fuel, do you mean less than what was required on the PLOG/fuel plan
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Not enough extra fuel for the conditions which might reasonably be expected - be that weather, traffic etc etc?
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Not enough extra fuel for the conditions which might reasonably be expected - be that weather, traffic etc etc?
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The SAAB replaced the E145 at NWI because they could'nt get all the freight, baggage and pax on the same a/c, the E145 was a very nice a/c to have on the route, but for the sake of 15 min's flying time, they get a lot more out of the route.
Don't know about elsewhere, but at NWI, they seem to have "come to an agreement" with BMI, both operate at different times - sufficiantly apart to meet demand - and both charge almost exactly the same price, still extortianate, but the demand exists.
Expansion from HUY - I don't think it will ever happen.
HUY has a very small passenger catchment area for scheduled flights, because it is so well served by road and rail networks, and will suffer even more when Finningly opens.
AEULAD, I don't know where you get your info from, but any attempts to operate from HUY to BRU have always been a complete failure, precisely because of lack of demand.
From Humberside's nearest railway station, you can get to London in under 2 hours, then to central Brussels in another 1hr45mins, at a return 1st class fare of under £200.
Whilst that is a 3 and 3/4 hour trip, compare it with a similar amount of time to travel to HUY airport, check in 45mins before, wait for the aeroplane, possible delays due tech/wx/etc, 1hr 30min flight, wait at BRU for baggage (30mins), taxi or bus to centre of BRU - another 45 mins.
Roughly the same time for an air fare of at least £300.
Don't know about elsewhere, but at NWI, they seem to have "come to an agreement" with BMI, both operate at different times - sufficiantly apart to meet demand - and both charge almost exactly the same price, still extortianate, but the demand exists.
Expansion from HUY - I don't think it will ever happen.
HUY has a very small passenger catchment area for scheduled flights, because it is so well served by road and rail networks, and will suffer even more when Finningly opens.
AEULAD, I don't know where you get your info from, but any attempts to operate from HUY to BRU have always been a complete failure, precisely because of lack of demand.
From Humberside's nearest railway station, you can get to London in under 2 hours, then to central Brussels in another 1hr45mins, at a return 1st class fare of under £200.
Whilst that is a 3 and 3/4 hour trip, compare it with a similar amount of time to travel to HUY airport, check in 45mins before, wait for the aeroplane, possible delays due tech/wx/etc, 1hr 30min flight, wait at BRU for baggage (30mins), taxi or bus to centre of BRU - another 45 mins.
Roughly the same time for an air fare of at least £300.
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I am not on here to argue, but I have my sources, and if you have your own opinion, then that is fine, of course you are correct, how could I have been SO stupid
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From Humberside's nearest railway station, you can get to London in under 2 hours, then to central Brussels in another 1hr45mins, at a return 1st class fare of under £200.
Barnetby - Doncaster: 55 mins
Wait: ?
Doncaster - Kings X : 1 hr 46 mins
Or, if you prefer
Barnetby - Newark: 58 mins
Wait: ?
Newark - Kings X: 1 hr 38 mins
Any reasonable waiting period puts both routes over 3 hours, by my arithmetic. And how does one get to Brussels from Kings X? The Eurostar? That'll be a lovely trip across London on the underground then, and another wait at Waterloo.
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When I started this thread I had not realised it would turn into a train v aircraft thread.
Understand where aeulad is comming from, HUY has in the past had more routes than are currently available, I know from first hand information that HUY to Esbjerg was the most profitable for Genair / Eastern Mk I (compared to all other routes they operated in 1983/84) and would presume the old Air Anglia / Eastern / Air UK HUY to Heathrow was profitable.
But I also agree with other postings that HUY just doesnt have the population catchment area to make routes to mainland european cities economical both for the operator and the fare paying self loading cargo.
I had hoped that with the proliferation of the Low cost airlines that at least one would of attempted a route to see if demand was sufficient to operate a program of routes from HUY, I can only presume that either the owners were not prepared to offer landing fee discounts etc or the airlines themselves indentified the catchment are was just too small.
As for rail and motorway connections from the region, both are very good but if there was a London service from HUY I for one would at least would of snapped their hand off.
Understand where aeulad is comming from, HUY has in the past had more routes than are currently available, I know from first hand information that HUY to Esbjerg was the most profitable for Genair / Eastern Mk I (compared to all other routes they operated in 1983/84) and would presume the old Air Anglia / Eastern / Air UK HUY to Heathrow was profitable.
But I also agree with other postings that HUY just doesnt have the population catchment area to make routes to mainland european cities economical both for the operator and the fare paying self loading cargo.
I had hoped that with the proliferation of the Low cost airlines that at least one would of attempted a route to see if demand was sufficient to operate a program of routes from HUY, I can only presume that either the owners were not prepared to offer landing fee discounts etc or the airlines themselves indentified the catchment are was just too small.
As for rail and motorway connections from the region, both are very good but if there was a London service from HUY I for one would at least would of snapped their hand off.
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It was well publicised that the Euro Direct HUY-BRU service was one of the few successful routes for 9R out of HUY. Eurodirect Belgie then took the route on when the parent company failed. It was subsequently operated as a SABENA franchise operation, and was increased to 3xdaily. The route was due to be upgraded to an EMB-120, but then SN phased out this a/c type and the D8-300 was deemed(correctly) too large an a/c to operate profitably on the route. The HUY-BRU route WAS working at the time.
The Esbjerg route was doing well in the early 90s, but demand wained as the years passed, going down to a weekly Gill Airways SH360 NCL-HUY-EBJ charter. I would think that there is not sufficient demand to operate this route now.
HUY-London has been a patchwork of services over the years. The main HUY-London market came from the North Bank, however, now there is Hull Trains which operates with an excellent reputation, and the mainline connecting services from Grimsby, Cleethorpes etc to London are fast and frequent. The only way I could see a service to London working is a low cost flight to Gatwick. Heathrow will never happen as the operational costs for such a small a/c would make the service ridiculously expensive to run. The HUY-NWI-LHR route was always busy, but the charges eventually got to AirUK and the route ceased.
The emergence of DSA onto the scene now dictates that HUY has very little chance of gaining a low-cost operator. The size of a/c is an issue as a 737/32S would be too large for the market. I would also say an F100 would be a touch on the optimistic side. Something more like an F70, or an EMB-170 would be suitable to operate limited services to the likes of Malaga, Alicante, Palma, Faro, Barcelona, Prague, Paris, Amsterdam, Belfast and Dublin. However, with DSA already having an impact on the HUY summer 2005 IT programme, all of this seems very unlikely.
I have had connections with HUY in the past, and it would seem that the management have been reluctant to lower fees sufficiently to attract a low-cost operator. HUY has missed out and could have been something more, if it had gotten it's act together before DSA came on the scene.
Time will tell, we shall see!
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The Esbjerg route was doing well in the early 90s, but demand wained as the years passed, going down to a weekly Gill Airways SH360 NCL-HUY-EBJ charter. I would think that there is not sufficient demand to operate this route now.
HUY-London has been a patchwork of services over the years. The main HUY-London market came from the North Bank, however, now there is Hull Trains which operates with an excellent reputation, and the mainline connecting services from Grimsby, Cleethorpes etc to London are fast and frequent. The only way I could see a service to London working is a low cost flight to Gatwick. Heathrow will never happen as the operational costs for such a small a/c would make the service ridiculously expensive to run. The HUY-NWI-LHR route was always busy, but the charges eventually got to AirUK and the route ceased.
The emergence of DSA onto the scene now dictates that HUY has very little chance of gaining a low-cost operator. The size of a/c is an issue as a 737/32S would be too large for the market. I would also say an F100 would be a touch on the optimistic side. Something more like an F70, or an EMB-170 would be suitable to operate limited services to the likes of Malaga, Alicante, Palma, Faro, Barcelona, Prague, Paris, Amsterdam, Belfast and Dublin. However, with DSA already having an impact on the HUY summer 2005 IT programme, all of this seems very unlikely.
I have had connections with HUY in the past, and it would seem that the management have been reluctant to lower fees sufficiently to attract a low-cost operator. HUY has missed out and could have been something more, if it had gotten it's act together before DSA came on the scene.
Time will tell, we shall see!
Regards
Mike
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I would question your times a little. Check-in at a small regional airport can be as little as 20 mins prior to dep. (Indeed that's what SN Brussels Airlines post from a larger BHX to BRU). Block time HUY-BRU in an EMB-145 would be about 1:20. As for waiting a half hour for your bags at BRU, I very much doubt it. I often fly into BRU and nine times out of ten my bag reaches the carousel before I do. Finally, there is a frequent and rapid train service from BRU airport to the city centre. No need for buses or taxis.
I would question your times a little. Check-in at a small regional airport can be as little as 20 mins prior to dep. (Indeed that's what SN Brussels Airlines post from a larger BHX to BRU). Block time HUY-BRU in an EMB-145 would be about 1:20. As for waiting a half hour for your bags at BRU, I very much doubt it. I often fly into BRU and nine times out of ten my bag reaches the carousel before I do. Finally, there is a frequent and rapid train service from BRU airport to the city centre. No need for buses or taxis.
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There is a strong rumour going around Humberside that rescently an Eastern Airways Captain has been demoted for leaving EDI with insufficient fuel. Has anyone any furthur details
Dis unt a godamnt lie !!!!!!!! spread by der untermenchen soviet shweinhunds to discredit me. Of course there vas enough of der fuel stuff on board, I said so, just because you verdamnt tommies build your aircraft to confuse a good deutchlander is not my fault.
Unt as for de other matter I vill personally shoot de tailor who sew der rings on my uniform, only after a few weeks der godamnt rings fell off der sleeves. B*#&^%D.
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