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MrDearne,whoever is giving you the inside information from DSA,either does not know or is misleading you. That I can promise.
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Don't try and discredit me Mr Wilcox.
I assume that you are the same Terry Wilcox who stood as mayor a few year ago...the airport champion, or his son maybe?
If so I am surprised you are reverting to these put down tactics.
When Peel acquired a 50% stake in Sheffield City Airport the general consensus was that Peel would make a go of it. There was a degree of optimism in Sheffield. Maybe you have connections with Peel or work for Peel Terry? If so have a word with the Pakey chap whom I believe oversaw the transition, and if I remember rightly he was making positive sounds in the newspapers….or someone associated with the airport certainly was. Granted it was struggling prior to Peel’s intervention, but even in 2001 Peel was gaining a reputation from what they were doing at Liverpool, and a few thousand Sheffieldites believed they would see development and European destinations from their airport. What went on after, computer records etc, I don’t know.
Of course MAG would’ve opposed the development…least of all because they were/are major shareholders of HUY.
As for connections within DSA….I can only wish............As for information I can wheedle out of ex colleagues, acquaintances and people employed in companies who have dealings with the airport, providing it doesn't compromise them, I usually put it on these boards. Far be it for me to suggest it's all kosher or complete, but then if it was, I wouldn't be eagerly awaiting news of new developments on these boards would I ?
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Mr.Dearne,I had noo intention of putting you down. In fact I have agreed with your comments all along the line,since you first came on this board.
I know you are a friend of DSA. I am, NOT an aviation expert,and have nofinancial connection with Peel. I am the person who stood for Mayor,but that has nothing to do with this issue. I am NOT an ego freak,just an ex miner who has campaiogned vigorously for the airport since 1996,simply for the jobs for the next generation.
I have nothing personal to gain from trhe airport,in fact it could be said to be detrimental to me. I live in Branton,just 1 1/2 miles from the runway,and I have no doubt will suffer from the extra traffic.
I attended the public inquiry for 7 m onths practically every day,and cross examined many witnesses from the opposition. I am not aware that I have ever been abusive to anyone on any web site,and don't intend to start now.
I am simply stating that on this occasion you got several facts wrong,and the info will be read by other people. I repeat that whoever is giving you INSIDE information either does not know the facts or is misleading you. This was no reflection on you.
Anyway,lets be friends,as I bear no animosity to anyone on these threads. They are all entitled to their opinion,and I respect that.
I know you are a friend of DSA. I am, NOT an aviation expert,and have nofinancial connection with Peel. I am the person who stood for Mayor,but that has nothing to do with this issue. I am NOT an ego freak,just an ex miner who has campaiogned vigorously for the airport since 1996,simply for the jobs for the next generation.
I have nothing personal to gain from trhe airport,in fact it could be said to be detrimental to me. I live in Branton,just 1 1/2 miles from the runway,and I have no doubt will suffer from the extra traffic.
I attended the public inquiry for 7 m onths practically every day,and cross examined many witnesses from the opposition. I am not aware that I have ever been abusive to anyone on any web site,and don't intend to start now.
I am simply stating that on this occasion you got several facts wrong,and the info will be read by other people. I repeat that whoever is giving you INSIDE information either does not know the facts or is misleading you. This was no reflection on you.
Anyway,lets be friends,as I bear no animosity to anyone on these threads. They are all entitled to their opinion,and I respect that.
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I thought it was common knowledge that Peel acquired Sheffield City to clear the decks for DSA by eventual closure.
BTW, no one on the west side of Sheffield is particularly excited at the moment about DSA, in practical terms it is no quicker to get to than MAN and offers a lot less in terms of infrastructure.
Sheffield City could have easily filled a niche as a short-haul airport with flights to UK and Europe. The flight to Schipol was always well used and was only withdrawn for KLM strategic reasons.
BTW, no one on the west side of Sheffield is particularly excited at the moment about DSA, in practical terms it is no quicker to get to than MAN and offers a lot less in terms of infrastructure.
Sheffield City could have easily filled a niche as a short-haul airport with flights to UK and Europe. The flight to Schipol was always well used and was only withdrawn for KLM strategic reasons.
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It will be impractical for me to argue for the sake of it. This instance, I need to put my hands up, apologise and say I was wrong.
However, (there's always a however isn't there?) in defence of my assertions, I did see Peel’s acquisition of Sheffield City Airport from a different angle than the more legitimate one you did. At the time I was working on a project in Sheffield…I was the gofer…the data gatherer and collator/number cruncher.
Peel was seen as saviour of the airport. I personally was mostly disconnected with anything to do with the airport, but I was aware people in Sheffield genuinely thought the airport was to be developed and European holiday destinations were forthcoming. If Peel’s intention was to ‘stagnate’ the airport, this was not the message conveyed to the people of Sheffield. The circle of people I usually came into contact with, the major topic of conversation was the airport, so I could not help taking a fleeting interest. When I saw, heard, and even most probably discussed (informerly...chit-chat) the airport with suits from the City Council and other local organisations, they were setting out plans etc for the airport, including extension of the runway, terminal etc, I took this as kosher. I was mildly aware the council (or a council conglomerate) still held an invested interest in the airport. Had I been more involved with the airport I might have realised a lot of the talk was mere hypothetical and based on personal opinions..
I did hear that Peel bought the land (Finningley Airfield)
cheaply. Maybe ‘a nominal fee’ was the wrong phrase to use, but I gather they certainly didn’t break the bank.
My career since 2002 has changed in terms of what I do, but I do like to keep up with developments in Doncaster and especially the airport, so I tend to hound people I know, and who are better placed than me to see what’s happening.
With regards to living in Branton Terry, I was informed by what I consider being a reliable source, that plans for a hotel were being considered there. I put this on the proboards45 board but I didn’t think others believed me…..apart from Mr Humberside (who has promised me a top job when he becomes captain of the aviation industry). I spent a couple of hours sifting through the online DMBC planning applications and eventually found it.
http://maps.doncaster.gov.uk/publica...=IKR7UDFX22000
I wonder if you can shed any light? If the hotel is airport influenced, it might make sense to build it in Branton. I have no idea of the size, for all I know it could be a B & B sized hotel.
It will be impractical for me to argue for the sake of it. This instance, I need to put my hands up, apologise and say I was wrong.
However, (there's always a however isn't there?) in defence of my assertions, I did see Peel’s acquisition of Sheffield City Airport from a different angle than the more legitimate one you did. At the time I was working on a project in Sheffield…I was the gofer…the data gatherer and collator/number cruncher.
Peel was seen as saviour of the airport. I personally was mostly disconnected with anything to do with the airport, but I was aware people in Sheffield genuinely thought the airport was to be developed and European holiday destinations were forthcoming. If Peel’s intention was to ‘stagnate’ the airport, this was not the message conveyed to the people of Sheffield. The circle of people I usually came into contact with, the major topic of conversation was the airport, so I could not help taking a fleeting interest. When I saw, heard, and even most probably discussed (informerly...chit-chat) the airport with suits from the City Council and other local organisations, they were setting out plans etc for the airport, including extension of the runway, terminal etc, I took this as kosher. I was mildly aware the council (or a council conglomerate) still held an invested interest in the airport. Had I been more involved with the airport I might have realised a lot of the talk was mere hypothetical and based on personal opinions..
I did hear that Peel bought the land (Finningley Airfield)
cheaply. Maybe ‘a nominal fee’ was the wrong phrase to use, but I gather they certainly didn’t break the bank.
My career since 2002 has changed in terms of what I do, but I do like to keep up with developments in Doncaster and especially the airport, so I tend to hound people I know, and who are better placed than me to see what’s happening.
With regards to living in Branton Terry, I was informed by what I consider being a reliable source, that plans for a hotel were being considered there. I put this on the proboards45 board but I didn’t think others believed me…..apart from Mr Humberside (who has promised me a top job when he becomes captain of the aviation industry). I spent a couple of hours sifting through the online DMBC planning applications and eventually found it.
http://maps.doncaster.gov.uk/publica...=IKR7UDFX22000
I wonder if you can shed any light? If the hotel is airport influenced, it might make sense to build it in Branton. I have no idea of the size, for all I know it could be a B & B sized hotel.
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It don't hurt to say it wuz the HUY forum!!! Where you here it FIRST (film at 11!)
(who has promised me a top job when he becomes captain of the aviation industry).
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Mr Dearne,
As you no doubt know, that is exactly what developers do!
"yes we can help develop this airport, mmmm have some of our planning guys to help you look at a few options" (whist the thoughts are..."that will keep them happy whist we get on with the real work round the corner!!!"
What is it they say about developers
' they should always carry a mirror attached to the back of their head...so you can see both faces as once!!'
'when shakning hands with a developer, check you have all your fingers afterwards!'
Oh woe, why am I so cynical of the world!!!
As you no doubt know, that is exactly what developers do!
"yes we can help develop this airport, mmmm have some of our planning guys to help you look at a few options" (whist the thoughts are..."that will keep them happy whist we get on with the real work round the corner!!!"
What is it they say about developers
' they should always carry a mirror attached to the back of their head...so you can see both faces as once!!'
'when shakning hands with a developer, check you have all your fingers afterwards!'
Oh woe, why am I so cynical of the world!!!
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BTW, no one on the west side of Sheffield is particularly excited at the moment about DSA, in practical terms it is no quicker to get to than MAN and offers a lot less in terms of infrastructure.
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Absolute rubbish!!! not only in terms of distance, but also the type of roads involved in the journey. From the western edge of Sheffield to Manchester Airport is approximately 45 miles, and involves a difficult trans-Pennine journey of about an hour at best. On the other hand, the journey to Finningley is approximately 30 miles, and uses a mixture of motorways and A-roads not filled with HGVs doing 10 mph up a steep gradient.
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easyJet to Geneva
Just had an email from DSA saying:
The announcement eagerly awaited by airline passengers across Yorkshire, Humberside, Lincolnshire and North Nottinghamshire was made today!
Probably the question most asked of airport managers can now be given a positive response; easyJet, one of Europe’s leading low cost airlines, today announced a daily service from Robin Hood Airport to Geneva. This comes just three months after commercial operations commenced at the Airport.
A fabulous city destination, and one of the most popular arrival airports for the skiing community, the addition of Geneva to an already extensive range of destinations now available from Robin Hood Airport, will provide another popular gateway for business and leisure travellers alike.
Daily flights to Geneva from Robin Hood Airport will commence on 15 December 2005 with fares from £29.99 one way (£54.98 return) including taxes. Flights to first class resorts such as Avoriaz, Chamonix, Chatel, Les Gets, Morzine and Courmayeur are now within easy reach for Robin Hood Airport passengers living East of the Pennines.
easyJet Chief Executive, Ray Webster commented: “easyJet is delighted to be launching a new connection between Robin Hood Airport and the most popular ski destination in Europe, giving more skiers the opportunity to experience the flexibility and savings of travelling independently, with the additional convenience of flying from their local airport."
David Ryall, Managing Director of Robin Hood Airport said: ‘We are delighted that easyJet has added Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield to its ever expanding route structure."
David continued "The initial daily service to Geneva will certainly be extremely popular with business and leisure travelers alike and is a welcome addition to the Airport’s growing portfolio of destinations. With the proven desire by people in the Region to fly from Robin Hood Airport, 250,000 passengers in the first 12 weeks of operation, we are hopeful that this will be the first of many easyJet services to come to the Airport."
"During the 2001/2002 Public Inquiry easyJet stated that the Airport’s location would be good for the Region so we are especially pleased that easyJet has today been added to the list of carriers. This is great news for the traveler and for Robin Hood Airport alike." said David today.
Nothing on easyJet website yet though I would imagine bookings will be open in the next few days.
The announcement eagerly awaited by airline passengers across Yorkshire, Humberside, Lincolnshire and North Nottinghamshire was made today!
Probably the question most asked of airport managers can now be given a positive response; easyJet, one of Europe’s leading low cost airlines, today announced a daily service from Robin Hood Airport to Geneva. This comes just three months after commercial operations commenced at the Airport.
A fabulous city destination, and one of the most popular arrival airports for the skiing community, the addition of Geneva to an already extensive range of destinations now available from Robin Hood Airport, will provide another popular gateway for business and leisure travellers alike.
Daily flights to Geneva from Robin Hood Airport will commence on 15 December 2005 with fares from £29.99 one way (£54.98 return) including taxes. Flights to first class resorts such as Avoriaz, Chamonix, Chatel, Les Gets, Morzine and Courmayeur are now within easy reach for Robin Hood Airport passengers living East of the Pennines.
easyJet Chief Executive, Ray Webster commented: “easyJet is delighted to be launching a new connection between Robin Hood Airport and the most popular ski destination in Europe, giving more skiers the opportunity to experience the flexibility and savings of travelling independently, with the additional convenience of flying from their local airport."
David Ryall, Managing Director of Robin Hood Airport said: ‘We are delighted that easyJet has added Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield to its ever expanding route structure."
David continued "The initial daily service to Geneva will certainly be extremely popular with business and leisure travelers alike and is a welcome addition to the Airport’s growing portfolio of destinations. With the proven desire by people in the Region to fly from Robin Hood Airport, 250,000 passengers in the first 12 weeks of operation, we are hopeful that this will be the first of many easyJet services to come to the Airport."
"During the 2001/2002 Public Inquiry easyJet stated that the Airport’s location would be good for the Region so we are especially pleased that easyJet has today been added to the list of carriers. This is great news for the traveler and for Robin Hood Airport alike." said David today.
Nothing on easyJet website yet though I would imagine bookings will be open in the next few days.
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The New Doncaster-Sheffield - Geneva flights are now on sale on the easyjet web-site. timetable below.
DSA-GVA
EZY916 19:40 - 22:30 123456-
EZY918 09:35 - 12:25 ------7
GVA-DSA
EZY915 18:20 - 19:10 123456-
EZY917 08:15 - 09:05 ------7
Aircraft type not known: Could be eaither A319/B737
DSA-GVA
EZY916 19:40 - 22:30 123456-
EZY918 09:35 - 12:25 ------7
GVA-DSA
EZY915 18:20 - 19:10 123456-
EZY917 08:15 - 09:05 ------7
Aircraft type not known: Could be eaither A319/B737
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Shame about those timings. Arriving at 22:30 into GVA - 45-60 mins to collect your skis and hire car then and off for a midnight jaunt into the Alps!! Prospect of weekend break not really helped by crack of dawn departure from GVA on Sunday. Good news otherwise.
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Absolute rubbish!!! not only in terms of distance, but also the type of roads involved in the journey. From the western edge of Sheffield to Manchester Airport is approximately 45 miles, and involves a difficult trans-Pennine journey of about an hour at best. On the other hand, the journey to Finningley is approximately 30 miles, and uses a mixture of motorways and A-roads not filled with HGVs doing 10 mph up a steep gradient.
The biggest problem about getting to DSA from Sheffield, is the traffic in Sheffield itself. Get on the motorway and its an absolute doddle as I am sure you know.
I'm sure DSA will be a big success, but a pity it had to be at the cost of Sheffield's own airport.
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Get a load of this then Looks like you've got Ryanair after all. Click link to following pprune
forum.http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=186934
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doncaster finninglet etc
Story about the new hotel. Aplanning application has been made for a 70 bed hotel in Branton,just on the Doncaster side of the River Torne. Some locals are up in arms (as I would have expected),but as far as I am concerned it means lots of local jobs,and just the sort of re-generation I expected.
Yes it will take away some of the green from a lovely area,but everyones home is built on what was once green. For instance,we have at the least three top environmentalists with a home in the Peak Distric t,no doubt polluting that area with their candles.
On a different topic,what about Ryanair then,basing at DSA,again not unexpected. A lot more to come yet.
Yes it will take away some of the green from a lovely area,but everyones home is built on what was once green. For instance,we have at the least three top environmentalists with a home in the Peak Distric t,no doubt polluting that area with their candles.
On a different topic,what about Ryanair then,basing at DSA,again not unexpected. A lot more to come yet.
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Story about the new hotel. Aplanning application has been made for a 70 bed hotel in Branton,just on the Doncaster side of the River Torne. Some locals are up in arms (as I would have expected),but as far as I am concerned it means lots of local jobs,and just the sort of re-generation I expected.