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National Air Traffic Services (www.ais.org.uk) are calling the Airport 'Doncaster Sheffield' with the code EGCN. Aerodrome and parking charts available here too.
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I understand that road signs leading to the airport are going to have the full title. Going to be real interesting going through notts,with its signs reading robin hood country,and then the sign for sheffield,and the subsequent signs for sheffield airport. For anyone coming from the south either A1 or M1,I forecast massive confusion,and I wonder if motorists will be able to complete reading the long signs as they go past.
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Terry,
There might be one advantage in having all those signs all over the place - it will give people the impression that the airport is bigger than it actually is.
Signs to CVT not brilliant either, and there still seems to be some confusion over the car parks, exact location of the terminal etc.
Was out on bike on the north side of the airport the other day, and a couple pulled their car over and asked me if "the flights to Lyon depart from the north or the south terminal".
Well, if we've grown from having no passenger flights to being the second busiest airport in the country in less than 12 months, the future has to be pretty bright
There might be one advantage in having all those signs all over the place - it will give people the impression that the airport is bigger than it actually is.
Signs to CVT not brilliant either, and there still seems to be some confusion over the car parks, exact location of the terminal etc.
Was out on bike on the north side of the airport the other day, and a couple pulled their car over and asked me if "the flights to Lyon depart from the north or the south terminal".
Well, if we've grown from having no passenger flights to being the second busiest airport in the country in less than 12 months, the future has to be pretty bright
I ave a piece of paper ere wot sez
Robin Hood Airport(Header, Top line, text centre)
Doncaster Sheffield (second line, smaller writing, text alligned to the right) If that helps.
And its an official bit of paper too.....
Robin Hood Airport(Header, Top line, text centre)
Doncaster Sheffield (second line, smaller writing, text alligned to the right) If that helps.
And its an official bit of paper too.....
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Good luck DSA! Must be all hands on deck. Constructions and preparations looking good to my untrained eye.
Just wanted to add two observations to previous postings about motorway signage. Neither will mean the difference between success and failure and probably add up to less than a two penneth of the task at hand for Peel.
1. On visiting the airport recently from the M1 northbound, it was quite an adventure to get to the airport. In the end I headed cross country and lovely though it was, not suitable for heavy traffic loads. The main road alternative from the M1 northbound would be to carry onto the M18 NE, turn onto the A1M due south and then finally turn back NE on A614. Quite a slalom. What looks like about 10 miles from the M1/M18 jct as the cross flies turns into a 15+ miles zig zag. I don't expect any new roads to be built soon, especially as I guess the focus is more the conurbations of Sheffield, Leeds and Bradford etc, but the signage needs to be done with some clear thought.
2. Nothing wrong with lots of signs. Good advertisement for the airport. I'm always surprised that as you approach LBA from the A65 southeast bound there is, to my eyes, no sign until you are only a couple of miles away. Even as you come up to a major roundabout between the A65 and A660 with flights passing above you over Otley Chevin (only 4ish miles out) there's no sign. Missed opportunity?
Hopefully DSA and LBA folks will note this constructively- don't wish to be a Victor Meldrew!
Just wanted to add two observations to previous postings about motorway signage. Neither will mean the difference between success and failure and probably add up to less than a two penneth of the task at hand for Peel.
1. On visiting the airport recently from the M1 northbound, it was quite an adventure to get to the airport. In the end I headed cross country and lovely though it was, not suitable for heavy traffic loads. The main road alternative from the M1 northbound would be to carry onto the M18 NE, turn onto the A1M due south and then finally turn back NE on A614. Quite a slalom. What looks like about 10 miles from the M1/M18 jct as the cross flies turns into a 15+ miles zig zag. I don't expect any new roads to be built soon, especially as I guess the focus is more the conurbations of Sheffield, Leeds and Bradford etc, but the signage needs to be done with some clear thought.
2. Nothing wrong with lots of signs. Good advertisement for the airport. I'm always surprised that as you approach LBA from the A65 southeast bound there is, to my eyes, no sign until you are only a couple of miles away. Even as you come up to a major roundabout between the A65 and A660 with flights passing above you over Otley Chevin (only 4ish miles out) there's no sign. Missed opportunity?
Hopefully DSA and LBA folks will note this constructively- don't wish to be a Victor Meldrew!
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on site there is a job shop,etc called 'directions finningley' also
lufthansa have set up an apprentiship training scheme.
if you are not a donny local and don't know the local roads then the airport will not be easy to find,lets hope for some good signage.the enquiry/arguing for a direct link road for the M18 drags on,understand it could be up to 10 years before its in operation.
imo the easiest way to DSA is leave the M18 at junction 3,get to the second roundabout near the BT call centre and the shopping outlet,Robin Hood is stood on the middle of the roundabout,don't turn left for Doncaster,head straight on for the Dome Leisure Centre and Asda,this brings you to Bawtry Road and only about
2 or 3 miles on a straight road to the airport.
lufthansa have set up an apprentiship training scheme.
if you are not a donny local and don't know the local roads then the airport will not be easy to find,lets hope for some good signage.the enquiry/arguing for a direct link road for the M18 drags on,understand it could be up to 10 years before its in operation.
imo the easiest way to DSA is leave the M18 at junction 3,get to the second roundabout near the BT call centre and the shopping outlet,Robin Hood is stood on the middle of the roundabout,don't turn left for Doncaster,head straight on for the Dome Leisure Centre and Asda,this brings you to Bawtry Road and only about
2 or 3 miles on a straight road to the airport.
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7006,not seen anything apart from a while back the final approach,to 02 it started just east of worksop and to 20 in the thorne area,not seen anything regarding the routings to those 2 points or for departures. from what i hear on the scanner there is an ndb and most approaches use that,is there ils at both ends does anyone know ? what would the standard final be to an airport such as this,i heard 8 miles,i know at some airports it can be longer,for instance when i was on hols in Ibiza they had a 13 mile final on the ils equipped runway.
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Hi DONNYRADAR, I am also keen to understand this. Maybe someone can help us....... routings......
1. Would a southerly arrival routing Daventry to Trent beacons be asked to fly direct DSA on leaving Trent?
2. Would an easterly arr. routing under the control of London ATC to Ottringham and Goles, be allowed direct DSA from Goles?
3. Would a westerly/Northerly arrival routing Deans Cross to Pole Hill/Upton be allowed a Direct to 8 mile final from POL or Upton?
If not, what would be classed as a standard routing? (I understand SID's and STAR's are not yet in place)
and would any of the above become routine/business as usual?
Additionally,
A C17 came in on 29.03.05 and was reported to say he was "going through the Lichfield corridor" - does anyone know what the Lichfield corridor is and where goes to/from exactly? Is it a military designated route? For info he became established on the ILS at 2.5 miles, rnway 20.
I'd love to know what the Lichfield corridor is though.
1. Would a southerly arrival routing Daventry to Trent beacons be asked to fly direct DSA on leaving Trent?
2. Would an easterly arr. routing under the control of London ATC to Ottringham and Goles, be allowed direct DSA from Goles?
3. Would a westerly/Northerly arrival routing Deans Cross to Pole Hill/Upton be allowed a Direct to 8 mile final from POL or Upton?
If not, what would be classed as a standard routing? (I understand SID's and STAR's are not yet in place)
and would any of the above become routine/business as usual?
Additionally,
A C17 came in on 29.03.05 and was reported to say he was "going through the Lichfield corridor" - does anyone know what the Lichfield corridor is and where goes to/from exactly? Is it a military designated route? For info he became established on the ILS at 2.5 miles, rnway 20.
I'd love to know what the Lichfield corridor is though.
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LIC corridor is a military crossing route through the DTY CTA, passing east/west almost through the east midlands overhead-levels 110/160
be very suprised if doncaster arrivals route direct from TNT, fair amount of class G to transit and short of units to work-Manchester almost certainly will not give them a service-and neither will NEMA-best guess is most arrivals/deps will route to/from airway L603 just to the north to keep within CAS the max time-will not get SIDS/STARS as not within CAS
be very suprised if doncaster arrivals route direct from TNT, fair amount of class G to transit and short of units to work-Manchester almost certainly will not give them a service-and neither will NEMA-best guess is most arrivals/deps will route to/from airway L603 just to the north to keep within CAS the max time-will not get SIDS/STARS as not within CAS
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"lufthansa have set up an apprentiship training scheme."
Would this be to train for a possible new route launch, or for their other UK ops?
I would have imagined that if Lufty were to add new routes into the UK, that they'd be looking at GLA, NCL (to FRA), BFS etc before DSA?
Or could LH to FRA be the hub feeder which DSA needs to take all the onward traffic?
Would this be to train for a possible new route launch, or for their other UK ops?
I would have imagined that if Lufty were to add new routes into the UK, that they'd be looking at GLA, NCL (to FRA), BFS etc before DSA?
Or could LH to FRA be the hub feeder which DSA needs to take all the onward traffic?
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almost,
thanks for your response!!!
what do you reckon would be a legitimate routing?
could we expect an arrival to be for example DAVENTRY, TRENT, POL, GOLES, DONNY RNWY VECTORS.... or
OTTRINGHAM, GOLES, DONNY RUNWAY VECTORS.....or
MCT, POL, UPTON, DONNY RUNWAY VECTORS
cheers in advance!
thanks for your response!!!
what do you reckon would be a legitimate routing?
could we expect an arrival to be for example DAVENTRY, TRENT, POL, GOLES, DONNY RNWY VECTORS.... or
OTTRINGHAM, GOLES, DONNY RUNWAY VECTORS.....or
MCT, POL, UPTON, DONNY RUNWAY VECTORS
cheers in advance!
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lufthansa technik has set up training for apprentices to be aircraft engineers,i believe with eu money,but not necessarily to work for lufthansa,unless they have future plans that they've not disclosed.
my guess for inbounds would be
TNT - STOCK (does this rp still exist ?) - GOLES - vectors
POL - GOLES - vectors
OTBED - GOLES - vectors
OTR - GOLES - vectors
outbounds via GOLES,POL,OTR,DOLAS depending on destination.
most of the routes would i presume be similar to HUY's and under Manchester radar control just the same
my scanner will be come 28th april and beyond
my guess for inbounds would be
TNT - STOCK (does this rp still exist ?) - GOLES - vectors
POL - GOLES - vectors
OTBED - GOLES - vectors
OTR - GOLES - vectors
outbounds via GOLES,POL,OTR,DOLAS depending on destination.
most of the routes would i presume be similar to HUY's and under Manchester radar control just the same
my scanner will be come 28th april and beyond
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DONNYRADAR
"outbounds via GOLES,POL,OTR,DOLAS depending on destination" all the way north to go all the way south? would the loco's mind this? or is this just the barmy world of ATC that one accepts?
Its a bit like going from Sheffield to Hull to get to London. Just seems odd. Could ATC favour "directs" to southerly VOR'S/NDB'S?
"outbounds via GOLES,POL,OTR,DOLAS depending on destination" all the way north to go all the way south? would the loco's mind this? or is this just the barmy world of ATC that one accepts?
Its a bit like going from Sheffield to Hull to get to London. Just seems odd. Could ATC favour "directs" to southerly VOR'S/NDB'S?