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One wonders what would the attitude of a certain regional airport
would be if the CEO of a certain low fares Irish airline was dealing
with them!!!
Somehow think they would be left in no doubt who the customer was!
would be if the CEO of a certain low fares Irish airline was dealing
with them!!!
Somehow think they would be left in no doubt who the customer was!
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It is interesting to note comments from the last two posts. Firstly I would be interested to know how Loganair get on at Galway. It is great to see what RE have done for the Irish regional airports. But, I go back to the point....What are REs issues at Galway? Apparently there was a very serious security incident invovling a senior RE exec at Galway. 123 I have never condoned MOLs behaviour, particularly towards crew and pax, so personally I think your point unworthy of comment. Was this an attempt to take out the mgmt at GWY to have control over a major RE revenue stream? We still have not heard what the issues are! Yes, there has been nearly a year of turbulence in the West, but this is only since GWY started to introduce other carriers.
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Ryanair @ Ireland's regional airports
123 O'Leary......
Check out Ryanair's past dealings with GWY, WAT, KIR, SXL, NOC, CFN & SNN. 1991 to be exact. All regional services axed.
With the exception of.... SXLLON, CFNLON, CVTNOC & BHXNOC all the regional routes at the time have been sucessfully reintroduced by RE and others.
Ryanair's handling of the regional airports issue at the time has compounded the cynical attitudes towards the airline in Ireland ever since.
Check out Ryanair's past dealings with GWY, WAT, KIR, SXL, NOC, CFN & SNN. 1991 to be exact. All regional services axed.
With the exception of.... SXLLON, CFNLON, CVTNOC & BHXNOC all the regional routes at the time have been sucessfully reintroduced by RE and others.
Ryanair's handling of the regional airports issue at the time has compounded the cynical attitudes towards the airline in Ireland ever since.
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If one was to read between the lines, you would find that the facts and the majority believe that Galway is an undesirable airport to do business with.
All the other regional airports welcome AA with open arms and would only love to have the opportunity that Galway have.
Serious amounts of flights and huge pax numbers!
There is an interesting link to a comments site that gives a good feel for what is happening in Galway.
If I was AA, I would not want to be dragged through the local media to try and 'prove a point'. AA want to stay in Galway because the support they get is huge from the poeple of Galway!
It's time to sort the problems out now once and for all and try to get the Airport and AA to the table to sort the differences!
All the other regional airports welcome AA with open arms and would only love to have the opportunity that Galway have.
Serious amounts of flights and huge pax numbers!
There is an interesting link to a comments site that gives a good feel for what is happening in Galway.
If I was AA, I would not want to be dragged through the local media to try and 'prove a point'. AA want to stay in Galway because the support they get is huge from the poeple of Galway!
It's time to sort the problems out now once and for all and try to get the Airport and AA to the table to sort the differences!
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eireflyer,
You seem well informed. For those of us unfortunate enough to only see blank pixels between the lines, can you enlighten us? A link to a page about airspace charges being applied to light aircraft hardly constitutes proof that "the majority believe that Galway is an undesirable airport to do business with". If Arann have an issue with charges, they would have said so.
Runwayedge has given some suggestions - did the airport give Arann a bl00dy nose when they allegedly tried to bypass airport regulations? Did this event open a can of worms which Arann now want to take revenge for? Having rejected Glasgow in favour of Edinburgh (and dissuaded Air Wales from operating to Glasgow), had Arann any right to be upset when the airport encouraged Loganair to fly between Galway and Glasgow?
I have no doubt there are events, situations and/or personalities behind this situation (no smoke without fire etc.) but would love to know what they are. The Galway - Arann "debate" seems full of innuendo and suggestion but short of fact in the public domain. Is that because Arann may be embarassed if all the facts got out?
At least MOL comes out straight when he has issues with airports (and any other subject).
You seem well informed. For those of us unfortunate enough to only see blank pixels between the lines, can you enlighten us? A link to a page about airspace charges being applied to light aircraft hardly constitutes proof that "the majority believe that Galway is an undesirable airport to do business with". If Arann have an issue with charges, they would have said so.
Runwayedge has given some suggestions - did the airport give Arann a bl00dy nose when they allegedly tried to bypass airport regulations? Did this event open a can of worms which Arann now want to take revenge for? Having rejected Glasgow in favour of Edinburgh (and dissuaded Air Wales from operating to Glasgow), had Arann any right to be upset when the airport encouraged Loganair to fly between Galway and Glasgow?
I have no doubt there are events, situations and/or personalities behind this situation (no smoke without fire etc.) but would love to know what they are. The Galway - Arann "debate" seems full of innuendo and suggestion but short of fact in the public domain. Is that because Arann may be embarassed if all the facts got out?
At least MOL comes out straight when he has issues with airports (and any other subject).
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flyzer111 "You seem well informed. For those of us unfortunate enough to only see blank pixels between the lines, can you enlighten us? "
Flyzer
I think that you are very well informed in the situation and know alot more than you are letting on.
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I think that you are very well informed in the situation and know alot more than you are letting on.
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Have to agree with flyerz....have not seen any facts on this issue from either side. Although RE have said they are unhappy, they have not said with what. Is there a can of worms? Have to say eireflyer seems very well connected within RE, I wonder is he using this thread for RE PR.
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I hope that no-one here thinks that I have an agenda although after reading back through my posts, one could assume that to be the case!
Firstly, I am not either connected to or working for AA or Galway Airport for that matter. I have a keen interest in local issues and as a pilot, I would keep abreast of what is happening at the regional airports. This forum is very good at keeping me informed of what is going on and for that I am grateful. If I come accross as an AA champion, well for that I make no apology. I feel that the company is progressive and I have great respect for Paraic O'Ceidigh!
With regard to AA and Galway, the argument began last year between AA and Galway when AA had acquired an ATR for a number of new routes, one being Galway to Glasgow.
At the same time, Galway were negotiating with another carrier for the exact same route! Of course AA are going to be miffed! They invest in an aircraft with the intention to service Galway among others with it and they are told they will have to compete!
This is lunacy when you are trying to entice an airline to open new destinations!
Before the vultures descend, I feel that there is nothing like competition but when you are only starting something and trying to build it up, the last thing you need is another carrier!
This whole mess and argument was aired on local radio and in the local press. That's why I'm informed! Yes, I have people who I can ask a question or two from time to time, but on the whole, the local press does a pretty good job!
As for the current situation, when the AA boss can say on local radio that the management of Galway Airport have shafted AA, there has to be some truth in it. (especially since no-one from the airport has even began to discuss the problems).
To further fuel the fire, Mr O'Ceidigh was asked if he or AA would even discuss the issues with management, he answered that it would be only new management he would deal with or the owners of Gawlay Airport, the Chamber of Commerce!
When management were asked the same question, they said they were prepared to sit with an independent mediator to try and sort the problems. Does that not indicate that one of the problems is the management themselves?
I am not saying for one moment that AA or anyone else should or could have sole rights over Galway.
I am saying that AA should be able to operate in the same fashion in Gawlay as they do in Kerry, Waterford, Sligo, Donegal and the others!
Is that not a reasonable request?
In relation to a security breach, I understand that there was an incident at the airport recently where a member of AA staff accessed the Aircraft via the local flying school. This was discussed on local radio but further comments were not forthcoming!
I hope that this clears some issues up and certainly clears up the assumption that I have anything to do whatever with AA or PR for that matter.
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Firstly, I am not either connected to or working for AA or Galway Airport for that matter. I have a keen interest in local issues and as a pilot, I would keep abreast of what is happening at the regional airports. This forum is very good at keeping me informed of what is going on and for that I am grateful. If I come accross as an AA champion, well for that I make no apology. I feel that the company is progressive and I have great respect for Paraic O'Ceidigh!
With regard to AA and Galway, the argument began last year between AA and Galway when AA had acquired an ATR for a number of new routes, one being Galway to Glasgow.
At the same time, Galway were negotiating with another carrier for the exact same route! Of course AA are going to be miffed! They invest in an aircraft with the intention to service Galway among others with it and they are told they will have to compete!
This is lunacy when you are trying to entice an airline to open new destinations!
Before the vultures descend, I feel that there is nothing like competition but when you are only starting something and trying to build it up, the last thing you need is another carrier!
This whole mess and argument was aired on local radio and in the local press. That's why I'm informed! Yes, I have people who I can ask a question or two from time to time, but on the whole, the local press does a pretty good job!
As for the current situation, when the AA boss can say on local radio that the management of Galway Airport have shafted AA, there has to be some truth in it. (especially since no-one from the airport has even began to discuss the problems).
To further fuel the fire, Mr O'Ceidigh was asked if he or AA would even discuss the issues with management, he answered that it would be only new management he would deal with or the owners of Gawlay Airport, the Chamber of Commerce!
When management were asked the same question, they said they were prepared to sit with an independent mediator to try and sort the problems. Does that not indicate that one of the problems is the management themselves?
I am not saying for one moment that AA or anyone else should or could have sole rights over Galway.
I am saying that AA should be able to operate in the same fashion in Gawlay as they do in Kerry, Waterford, Sligo, Donegal and the others!
Is that not a reasonable request?
In relation to a security breach, I understand that there was an incident at the airport recently where a member of AA staff accessed the Aircraft via the local flying school. This was discussed on local radio but further comments were not forthcoming!
I hope that this clears some issues up and certainly clears up the assumption that I have anything to do whatever with AA or PR for that matter.
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Eire....can I be so bold as to ask who you fly for. Secondly can I point you to a previous thread on some of the points you raise 'Air Wales at GLA', my apologies but I am having difficulties posting a link. Your reply actually asks more questions than it answers! Interesting to note that an aircraft was being acquired in December. I have checked REs website and did not see any other route developments around that time. Why if they were so keen on GLA did they not take up the opportunity when Air Wales buckled. Did they not opt for EDI. When you say they should be allowed operate in GWY in the same way as other regionals, this brings me back to my original point what are the problems, what is the difference at GWY. Is it that GWY is the only Irish regional that has a major centre of populationa and an untapped air network. Do RE want it all to themselves? I happen to admire both RE and GWY but this situation I find intruiging. Finally, if you trawl through prune you will see many instances of press inaccurracy and manipulation. Perhaps your are a bit naive in believing all that you hear, see and read in that quarter. What was the alleged security breach and who was involved? Did someone actually board a commercial airliner through a flying club? Is this what has caused all the difficulties. Can you enlighten us as outsiders looking in from your inside contacts?
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Runaway, I never said I fly for a living. I said I was a pilot! I work for a large multinational and am not and probably never will be in a position to invest in the acquisition of the required licences, unfortunatly.
Yes I would like to fly for a living. I fly occasionally to keep my 'hand in' at Weston and have flown into Galway on occasion. I work in Galway and hence my local knowledge through local media etc......
I asked no further questions in my last post! I merely stated what I knew of the debacle at Galway and the treatment AA are getting there!
As for December being the time for the new route, I don't know but I do remember listening to P O'Ceidigh talking on live local radio at the time about the new route and his commitment to new aircraft for it! That's NOT some reporter making it up!(or have I completely lost the plot?)
There are questions in relation to Glasgow or Edinburgh and I would like answers to those too. One would presume, sorry Edinburgh, that Glasgow would be a better option.
As for the press inacuracies, I appreciate that there is always room for speculation and in this situation, there are always two sides. I try to filter the fiction from the fact as much as possible.
As I have posted previously, I wish the whole debacle to end for the sake of the travelling public, customers of both sides of the argument!
In relation to the security breach, this was questioned live on local radio and answered live also! I have already stated what I know and my 'contact', not inside AA or Airport staff knew nothing of it! Maybe that was a red herring thrown in for good measure by the presenter. If it was, it has certainly grown wings because all the local papers had it then!
Finally runaway edge, is it not possible to take someone at face value and not 'suspect' all the time? My posts here are genuine with a sincere wish to see Galway Airport thrive and any and all customers, AA included thrive with them!
There is no need for cynicism and it is not appreciated. Ask your questions and express your opinions. No-one will or should question that. But questioning my integrity and creating doubt over my posts does nothing but fuel the argument against what my opinions may be. Free speech is a gift that we all should cherish and encourage, not beat down with a large mallett!
eireflyer
Yes I would like to fly for a living. I fly occasionally to keep my 'hand in' at Weston and have flown into Galway on occasion. I work in Galway and hence my local knowledge through local media etc......
I asked no further questions in my last post! I merely stated what I knew of the debacle at Galway and the treatment AA are getting there!
As for December being the time for the new route, I don't know but I do remember listening to P O'Ceidigh talking on live local radio at the time about the new route and his commitment to new aircraft for it! That's NOT some reporter making it up!(or have I completely lost the plot?)
There are questions in relation to Glasgow or Edinburgh and I would like answers to those too. One would presume, sorry Edinburgh, that Glasgow would be a better option.
As for the press inacuracies, I appreciate that there is always room for speculation and in this situation, there are always two sides. I try to filter the fiction from the fact as much as possible.
As I have posted previously, I wish the whole debacle to end for the sake of the travelling public, customers of both sides of the argument!
In relation to the security breach, this was questioned live on local radio and answered live also! I have already stated what I know and my 'contact', not inside AA or Airport staff knew nothing of it! Maybe that was a red herring thrown in for good measure by the presenter. If it was, it has certainly grown wings because all the local papers had it then!
Finally runaway edge, is it not possible to take someone at face value and not 'suspect' all the time? My posts here are genuine with a sincere wish to see Galway Airport thrive and any and all customers, AA included thrive with them!
There is no need for cynicism and it is not appreciated. Ask your questions and express your opinions. No-one will or should question that. But questioning my integrity and creating doubt over my posts does nothing but fuel the argument against what my opinions may be. Free speech is a gift that we all should cherish and encourage, not beat down with a large mallett!
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Have I touched a nerve with runawayedge?
I hope not.
There has been very little talk since in the papers but I know that AA are at least talking to Galway Airport through the Chamber of Commerce management.
This may ease the tension between both sides to allow the issues to be resolved. Hopefully light at the end of the tunnel!
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I hope not.
There has been very little talk since in the papers but I know that AA are at least talking to Galway Airport through the Chamber of Commerce management.
This may ease the tension between both sides to allow the issues to be resolved. Hopefully light at the end of the tunnel!
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The three reinstated second daily flights between GWY-LTN are now showing on the system for Tues, Thurs & Sat for the winter period. The second flight departs GWY for LTN @ 19.05, arriving back in GWY @ 23.10. There is no second daily flight between LTN-WAT.
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Just to throw in a spanner!
Would any of the Irish Regionals support Easy's 319's. With their announcement this morning of an attack on SNN.NOC.ORK could there further expansion possibilities?
Would EIWF for instance handle a319? RE's growth proves that there is business on the route.
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Would any of the Irish Regionals support Easy's 319's. With their announcement this morning of an attack on SNN.NOC.ORK could there further expansion possibilities?
Would EIWF for instance handle a319? RE's growth proves that there is business on the route.
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Galway Airport today announced that over E3m will be invested in the facility this year. This investment will include the upgrade of the runway and increased safety features at the airport.
The airport also outlined its plans to introduce increased services in 2005 to key UK destinations such as London, Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh and Glasgow.
Commenting on the announcement, chairman of Galway Airport, Joe Higgins, said, "We are delighted to be able to announce this substantial investment and to unveil our intentions to seek additional services to Dublin and the UK."
In 2005, the airport plans to offer at least five flights a day to Dublin; three flights to London daily; two flights to Manchester; one daily to Birmingham, Edinburgh and Glasgow; and also a service to L'Orient during the summer.
It was also announced that there are plans to seek new routes to Liverpool, Leeds-Bradford, Southampton and possibly Paris.
Galway Airport has enjoyed record growth in 2004, expanding by over 60pc in the last two years. It has doubled the number of passengers it carries, from 110,000 in 2002, to 220,000 this year. It aims to boost passenger numbers to 300,000 in 2005.
"Obviously, in finding carriers for these routes, our main route partner Aer Arann will be our first port of call," said Higgins.
"Together with Aer Arann we have a record of developing many successful flight services from Galway Airport, and we hope this will continue long into the future to our mutual benefit and to the benefit of the travelling public," he added.
The airport also outlined its plans to introduce increased services in 2005 to key UK destinations such as London, Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh and Glasgow.
Commenting on the announcement, chairman of Galway Airport, Joe Higgins, said, "We are delighted to be able to announce this substantial investment and to unveil our intentions to seek additional services to Dublin and the UK."
In 2005, the airport plans to offer at least five flights a day to Dublin; three flights to London daily; two flights to Manchester; one daily to Birmingham, Edinburgh and Glasgow; and also a service to L'Orient during the summer.
It was also announced that there are plans to seek new routes to Liverpool, Leeds-Bradford, Southampton and possibly Paris.
Galway Airport has enjoyed record growth in 2004, expanding by over 60pc in the last two years. It has doubled the number of passengers it carries, from 110,000 in 2002, to 220,000 this year. It aims to boost passenger numbers to 300,000 in 2005.
"Obviously, in finding carriers for these routes, our main route partner Aer Arann will be our first port of call," said Higgins.
"Together with Aer Arann we have a record of developing many successful flight services from Galway Airport, and we hope this will continue long into the future to our mutual benefit and to the benefit of the travelling public," he added.
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Airbus.com doesn't show runway length requirement but some example data from Finnair's 319s:
TO dist:1890m
LD dist:1430m
Waterford: 1480m
Kerry: 2000m
Galway: 1350m
Sligo: 1170m landing
so only Kerry.
TO dist:1890m
LD dist:1430m
Waterford: 1480m
Kerry: 2000m
Galway: 1350m
Sligo: 1170m landing
so only Kerry.
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This was discussed last time when ryanair was supposed to be looking at regional airport. It was also mentioned that waterford had bought land to extend the runway enough to allow the 737's and A320's to operate from there.
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Yep, the PSO routes go to tender but since FR and EI don't have the equipment it tends to be divvied up between RE and Loganair. Even Flybe's Q400s might need a bit more runway. Air Wales could try out though.
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Aer Arann get upwards of EURO 4 million for offering three 42 seats flights between Kerry and Dublin. They do a 4th flight Mon-Fri which has no subsidy.
They still get to keep the EURO 140 per pax they charge and get an average of EURO 60 per pax on top. Nice work. Aer Lingus used to operate this with 146 and Fokker 50's.
The PSO subsidised routes come up again for 2005 for three years and the Irish Govt. are trying to split it among a few carriers. Kerry can handle aircraft upto A300 and the Govt. want to interest a jet operator in two a day but the airport and Aer Arann want to keep it on props with 4 a day. The props are really dingy at this time of year. At least our old EI crew had the 146 on some flights. A great opportunity for a loco to base an A/C and get EURO 4 million in the bank me thinks.
They still get to keep the EURO 140 per pax they charge and get an average of EURO 60 per pax on top. Nice work. Aer Lingus used to operate this with 146 and Fokker 50's.
The PSO subsidised routes come up again for 2005 for three years and the Irish Govt. are trying to split it among a few carriers. Kerry can handle aircraft upto A300 and the Govt. want to interest a jet operator in two a day but the airport and Aer Arann want to keep it on props with 4 a day. The props are really dingy at this time of year. At least our old EI crew had the 146 on some flights. A great opportunity for a loco to base an A/C and get EURO 4 million in the bank me thinks.
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A quiet opportunity
Now, you take 2 irish success stories...........The Phoenix Like return of Waterford, added to the Cinderella of Irish Aviation - Aer Arann, blended with a fairy godmother...........a minister in from the right place at the right time..............hmmmmmm.
We could see A319's yet!
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We could see A319's yet!
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