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if aer arann see problems soon with terminal work etc at galway.
could they haved based an ATR in wat instead.
Alternatively,wouldent it be smart to keep the 2 ltn flights and run a ATR42 instead until next summer.
jeepers.....if ryanair could have 3 london flights in the eighties from wat. ......when people had no money....surely the loads would be satisfactory for the winter.
could they haved based an ATR in wat instead.
Alternatively,wouldent it be smart to keep the 2 ltn flights and run a ATR42 instead until next summer.
jeepers.....if ryanair could have 3 london flights in the eighties from wat. ......when people had no money....surely the loads would be satisfactory for the winter.
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FR more often than not had a daily ATR42 on WAT with two extra rotations being shared with KIR or GWY so it wasn't three full ATRs a day.
But as "Schoolkid" says that was back in the '90 money is flowing better now and people in the SE hate the drive to Dublin so 2 ATR42s daily out of WAT should be successful.
Interested to know more about the situation in Galway as hinted at by "Office with a view". I see recently Aer Arann have advertised for Capts.and Engs. and Galway is given as one of the bases so is more expansion planned or are AA just trying to keep up with current ops.
But as "Schoolkid" says that was back in the '90 money is flowing better now and people in the SE hate the drive to Dublin so 2 ATR42s daily out of WAT should be successful.
Interested to know more about the situation in Galway as hinted at by "Office with a view". I see recently Aer Arann have advertised for Capts.and Engs. and Galway is given as one of the bases so is more expansion planned or are AA just trying to keep up with current ops.
A crunch meeting is to take place today (Friday) morning between the management of Galway Airport and Aer Arann following reports earlier this week that the airline is to suspend at least 12 flights a week at Galway Airport in Carnmore.
The meeting is a 'regularly scheduled meeting' between the two, according to airport management, but is expected to centre on Aer Arann's decision to reduce its number of flights from Carnmore.
Howvere there was concern his week that the meeting will be the culmination of a long-running showdown bewteen the airline and airport management.
Discussions with the airline have been ongoing according to Galway Airport general manager Jarlath Feeney who said the airline's decision to reduce flights cooincided with the launch of the airline's winter schedule.
Mr Feeney said he could not make any further comment on the matter before Friday's meeting which would also includes discussions on other matters.
"We certainly wouldn't like to see a reduction in flights as it is a necessity to provide a service if the market for specific flights are in place. We'll have to wait and see what happens at the meeting," he said.
Michael Coyle, CEO of Galway Chamber of Commerce— which holds nearly 90 per cent of the shares in the airport — said he could not comment on the matter until the chamber saw a copy of the proposed changes. He said he has only heard media coverage of the proposals and until a press statement was released by the airline he was not prepared to further comment.
However he added: "The chamber is delighted with the growth in the number of routes served by Galway Airport and Aer Arann and by the reaction of the public and business community as reflected in the occupancy levels of the flights to date. We would look forward to continuing a high level of service in future.
A spokesperson for Aer Arann told the Galway Advertiser there have been ongoing issues with management at the airport but refused to comment on the latest development except to say the airline is currently reviewing all its routes, and in particular its winter schedule which comes into operation on October 1.
Routes expected to be affected should the suspension go ahead include London-Luton, Birmingham, Edinburgh, and Dublin.
The meeting is a 'regularly scheduled meeting' between the two, according to airport management, but is expected to centre on Aer Arann's decision to reduce its number of flights from Carnmore.
Howvere there was concern his week that the meeting will be the culmination of a long-running showdown bewteen the airline and airport management.
Discussions with the airline have been ongoing according to Galway Airport general manager Jarlath Feeney who said the airline's decision to reduce flights cooincided with the launch of the airline's winter schedule.
Mr Feeney said he could not make any further comment on the matter before Friday's meeting which would also includes discussions on other matters.
"We certainly wouldn't like to see a reduction in flights as it is a necessity to provide a service if the market for specific flights are in place. We'll have to wait and see what happens at the meeting," he said.
Michael Coyle, CEO of Galway Chamber of Commerce— which holds nearly 90 per cent of the shares in the airport — said he could not comment on the matter until the chamber saw a copy of the proposed changes. He said he has only heard media coverage of the proposals and until a press statement was released by the airline he was not prepared to further comment.
However he added: "The chamber is delighted with the growth in the number of routes served by Galway Airport and Aer Arann and by the reaction of the public and business community as reflected in the occupancy levels of the flights to date. We would look forward to continuing a high level of service in future.
A spokesperson for Aer Arann told the Galway Advertiser there have been ongoing issues with management at the airport but refused to comment on the latest development except to say the airline is currently reviewing all its routes, and in particular its winter schedule which comes into operation on October 1.
Routes expected to be affected should the suspension go ahead include London-Luton, Birmingham, Edinburgh, and Dublin.
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If the reason given is anything other than maintenance, RE would have an aircraft sitting on the ground during the winter or be flying it to grow Waterford or Cork. Throwing their toys out of the pram and blaming airport management for the reduction would be foolish - they are down aircraft, have decided to reduce their operation rather than lease a substitute aircraft and as a result will get high average passenger numbers on each flight which (demand and supply would suggest) will have a higher average price. Good for the bottom line.
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Here is the headline from the local free sheet. The report is pretty good and tells it's own story!
Headline article, front page.
The editorial on page 2 tells it's own story. Fairly close to the mark too! Here is the link!
Editorial
Local radio had Airport Manager talking at 11.30 local time live on air with the news that AA management had walked from the meeting.
CEO of AA answered at 1 O'Clock news with a completely different story. Yes they walked from the meeting but it was because they were supposed to meet the Airport Chairman. Only senior management showed up and AA were not prepared to meet with them.
The senior management seem to be shafting AA when they can! According to the CEO of AA, Galway Airport have been giving AA 'grief and trouble' (my words to edit what he said) for over a year and it has finally come to a head.
The scheduled meeting never went ahead.
Not a nice way to run an airport if you upset your biggest customer.
If more developements occur, they will be posted.
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Here is the headline from the local free sheet. The report is pretty good and tells it's own story!
Headline article, front page.
The editorial on page 2 tells it's own story. Fairly close to the mark too! Here is the link!
Editorial
Local radio had Airport Manager talking at 11.30 local time live on air with the news that AA management had walked from the meeting.
CEO of AA answered at 1 O'Clock news with a completely different story. Yes they walked from the meeting but it was because they were supposed to meet the Airport Chairman. Only senior management showed up and AA were not prepared to meet with them.
The senior management seem to be shafting AA when they can! According to the CEO of AA, Galway Airport have been giving AA 'grief and trouble' (my words to edit what he said) for over a year and it has finally come to a head.
The scheduled meeting never went ahead.
Not a nice way to run an airport if you upset your biggest customer.
If more developements occur, they will be posted.
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The editorial's questioning is spot on - what exactly are Aer Arann unhappy with? Clearly they want exert pressure over the airport and come up smelling of roses, restoring services and horray for the good old "knight in shining armor" CEO etc. but let's hear what the problems are first and then judge.
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I think under normal circumstances you would be correct to assume that AA are "turning the screw" to achieve a better deal.
If one looks at the overall situation in Ireland re general aviation, there are alot of private pilots who would rather not fly in to Galway because of the treatment they receive!
In Kerry, Waterford, Weston and others the flying fraternity are treated like customers and the red carpet is rolled out. In Galway, no such treatment.
AA are not wrong. There is a major problem brewing in Galway for quiet some time. Senior management have really got it wrong with their biggest customer. If it was an AA ploy, then other airports would be hit just as much.
Lets hope they can resolve their differences soon!
There is a perception out there that Galway is an unwelcome airport even though Galway City is a most welcoming city. This needs to be sorted too.
eireflyer
I think under normal circumstances you would be correct to assume that AA are "turning the screw" to achieve a better deal.
If one looks at the overall situation in Ireland re general aviation, there are alot of private pilots who would rather not fly in to Galway because of the treatment they receive!
In Kerry, Waterford, Weston and others the flying fraternity are treated like customers and the red carpet is rolled out. In Galway, no such treatment.
AA are not wrong. There is a major problem brewing in Galway for quiet some time. Senior management have really got it wrong with their biggest customer. If it was an AA ploy, then other airports would be hit just as much.
Lets hope they can resolve their differences soon!
There is a perception out there that Galway is an unwelcome airport even though Galway City is a most welcoming city. This needs to be sorted too.
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...but is withdrawing services the right way to address diferences (hitting Waterford too btw)?
As I said, let's hear what the problem is - I assume they are on incentives for the new routes so cost should not be an issue; I suspect it comes down to Galway trying to grow services with Air Wales and Loganair and Arann wanting the patch to themselves, at their own pace. But I do not think RE would be so naieve as to suggest the reduction in service is anything to do with their relationship with Galway Airport, it is purely a maintenance planning decision.
As I said, let's hear what the problem is - I assume they are on incentives for the new routes so cost should not be an issue; I suspect it comes down to Galway trying to grow services with Air Wales and Loganair and Arann wanting the patch to themselves, at their own pace. But I do not think RE would be so naieve as to suggest the reduction in service is anything to do with their relationship with Galway Airport, it is purely a maintenance planning decision.
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If one thinks that AA are affecting their pax and reputation because of a few euro, I think we could be mistaken.
The management at the airport have been making life very difficult for AA over the last year.
There was a skurmish 'live' over the local radio station a number of months ago between AA and senior management.
The situation at Galway has been getting worse as the months go by. This has been brewing since and there must have been something lately to break the camels back!
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The management at the airport have been making life very difficult for AA over the last year.
There was a skurmish 'live' over the local radio station a number of months ago between AA and senior management.
The situation at Galway has been getting worse as the months go by. This has been brewing since and there must have been something lately to break the camels back!
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Heard senior RE exec had major security breach at Galway recently and is taking it out on the management. Also heard that they heve reduced Waterford and Derry, and have heard that the reductions is because they do not have the aircraft. Apparently two aircraft will be out for most of the winter. It seems RE tactics are to block as many routes out of GWY as possible with minimal service. It also seems that RE are livid with GWY for introducing Logan!
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Looks like all is not well in other regionals as well. BMI Baby to East Midlands and BA to Manchester both pulled out of Knock this week.
Particularly bad to lose BA, they had been on that route for 15 years !!
Particularly bad to lose BA, they had been on that route for 15 years !!
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http://www.galwayadvertiser.ie/dws/s...ews/50526.html
Sort out Galway Airport mess or face ruin, says TD
Aer Arann was 'shafted' and frustrated by airport management, says chief
BY DECLAN VARLEY
GALWAY Airport is facing ruin unless a root and branch examination into management practices at the airport is carried out, according to a Government deputy for Galway West.
In a scathing attack on the farcical impasse which had seen the cancellation of 15 flights by Aer Arann in and out of the airport, TD Noel Grealish has called for an investigation into the problems at the airport which have led to the latest in a series of stand-offs between airport management and the airline.
However yesterday Aer Arann rowed back on its decision by reinstating the Galway-Luton service and in a pointed reference to its difficulties with airport management, paid tribute for the u-turn to Chamber of Commerce CEO Michael Coyle and president Chris Coughlan.
Last weekend airport chairman Joe Higgins announced his retirement just hours after a stormy but short meeting between airport management and Aer Arann executives. However Mr Higgins announced that his retirement was for personal reasons and was in no way connected to the stand-off at the airport.
Commenting on the announcement that some of the flights have been reinstated, Padraig O'Ceidigh, managing director, Aer Arann said the airline ais delighted to announce that it will be continuing to operate a double daily service from Galway to London Luton three days per week for the winter season.
"Based on current market analysis, we believe that these additional flights will cater adequately for demand between Galway and London during the winter.
"We appreciate the input of the Galway Chamber of Commerce and its president Dr Chris Coughlan and chief executive Michael Coyle in working with Aer Arann to develop our route network from Galway."
On Friday last Mr O Ceidigh said that Aer Arann had been "shafted" by the airport management and that as he has invested € 12 million into services to and from Galway, he was suspending 15 flights as he has been constantly frustrated by senior management at the airport.
Galway Chamber's chief executive Michael Coyle welcomed the Aer Arann decision regarding the reinstatement of the London Luton flights, but deputy Noel Grealish still fears that unless action is taken, Galway Airport will drive away Aer Arann, the main reason for the airport’s increasing profitability.
Claiming that the risk to the future viability of the regional airport is "now greater than ever before," he said the chamber - as majority shareholders in the airport - must, as an immediate priority, get to grips with the problems which have the potential to drive Aer Arann away from Galway.
"This is a company which has gone from having one flight a day out of the city and now has over 150 in any one week. Neither the City nor the region can afford to lose the growing business levels in commerce and tourism which these services bring to the area.
"The realities of these facts must be driven home to the management of the airport and I am calling publicly on the airport board to ensure that this most valuable business will not be lost." He said that if this was a one-off situation it might not be as serious.
" This is not the first time that difficulties have arisen, difficulties that continue to have the potential to erode the growing confidence in the services provided at the airport."
Galway Airport was recently at the centre of speculation over plans for a management buy-out which Grealish described as "unsettling."
Sort out Galway Airport mess or face ruin, says TD
Aer Arann was 'shafted' and frustrated by airport management, says chief
BY DECLAN VARLEY
GALWAY Airport is facing ruin unless a root and branch examination into management practices at the airport is carried out, according to a Government deputy for Galway West.
In a scathing attack on the farcical impasse which had seen the cancellation of 15 flights by Aer Arann in and out of the airport, TD Noel Grealish has called for an investigation into the problems at the airport which have led to the latest in a series of stand-offs between airport management and the airline.
However yesterday Aer Arann rowed back on its decision by reinstating the Galway-Luton service and in a pointed reference to its difficulties with airport management, paid tribute for the u-turn to Chamber of Commerce CEO Michael Coyle and president Chris Coughlan.
Last weekend airport chairman Joe Higgins announced his retirement just hours after a stormy but short meeting between airport management and Aer Arann executives. However Mr Higgins announced that his retirement was for personal reasons and was in no way connected to the stand-off at the airport.
Commenting on the announcement that some of the flights have been reinstated, Padraig O'Ceidigh, managing director, Aer Arann said the airline ais delighted to announce that it will be continuing to operate a double daily service from Galway to London Luton three days per week for the winter season.
"Based on current market analysis, we believe that these additional flights will cater adequately for demand between Galway and London during the winter.
"We appreciate the input of the Galway Chamber of Commerce and its president Dr Chris Coughlan and chief executive Michael Coyle in working with Aer Arann to develop our route network from Galway."
On Friday last Mr O Ceidigh said that Aer Arann had been "shafted" by the airport management and that as he has invested € 12 million into services to and from Galway, he was suspending 15 flights as he has been constantly frustrated by senior management at the airport.
Galway Chamber's chief executive Michael Coyle welcomed the Aer Arann decision regarding the reinstatement of the London Luton flights, but deputy Noel Grealish still fears that unless action is taken, Galway Airport will drive away Aer Arann, the main reason for the airport’s increasing profitability.
Claiming that the risk to the future viability of the regional airport is "now greater than ever before," he said the chamber - as majority shareholders in the airport - must, as an immediate priority, get to grips with the problems which have the potential to drive Aer Arann away from Galway.
"This is a company which has gone from having one flight a day out of the city and now has over 150 in any one week. Neither the City nor the region can afford to lose the growing business levels in commerce and tourism which these services bring to the area.
"The realities of these facts must be driven home to the management of the airport and I am calling publicly on the airport board to ensure that this most valuable business will not be lost." He said that if this was a one-off situation it might not be as serious.
" This is not the first time that difficulties have arisen, difficulties that continue to have the potential to erode the growing confidence in the services provided at the airport."
Galway Airport was recently at the centre of speculation over plans for a management buy-out which Grealish described as "unsettling."
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The knight in shining armor has saved the day. Horray!! Predictable, totally predictable outcome.
With the Public Schedule Obligation contracts for renewal next year, it is clearly in Arann's interest to keep other airlines out of regional airports. Now they've thought Galway Airport a lesson and presumably got their way, woe betide any airport management that stands between Arann and their wishes. They still haven't said specificly what the problem was - did runwayedge's last post hit the spot?
With the Public Schedule Obligation contracts for renewal next year, it is clearly in Arann's interest to keep other airlines out of regional airports. Now they've thought Galway Airport a lesson and presumably got their way, woe betide any airport management that stands between Arann and their wishes. They still haven't said specificly what the problem was - did runwayedge's last post hit the spot?
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Flyerz111,
This is not something that appeared in the last few days its being going on for the last 12 months. The management of Galway have being playing the game big time and now its finally come to kick them in the balls.
A bit of topic but have a look at some of their other activities
http://www.flyinginireland.com/forum...opic.php?t=236
This is not something that appeared in the last few days its being going on for the last 12 months. The management of Galway have being playing the game big time and now its finally come to kick them in the balls.
A bit of topic but have a look at some of their other activities
http://www.flyinginireland.com/forum...opic.php?t=236