If there is going to be a European LF airlines "Blood Bath", who wont survive?
Barbara Cassani
you must have access to much better information than me about FlyBE's sale and all Q400 fleet, because all FlyBE staff today received a letter from the boss about the company's situation - stating that the company WILL NOT BE AN ALL Q400 FLEET, and that a new jet is being evaluated and a decision announced at the end of the financial year.
You, of course, know about other dealings at board meetings that i don't. Can you enlighten me so that i can challenge the management?
thanks
you must have access to much better information than me about FlyBE's sale and all Q400 fleet, because all FlyBE staff today received a letter from the boss about the company's situation - stating that the company WILL NOT BE AN ALL Q400 FLEET, and that a new jet is being evaluated and a decision announced at the end of the financial year.
You, of course, know about other dealings at board meetings that i don't. Can you enlighten me so that i can challenge the management?
thanks
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Barbara Cassini,
I am left wondering who you actually are - i have reviewed your post's on here and most them appear to be knocking flybe and forecasting the death of the company, are you a disrgruntled employee or ex employee of the company who is spreading rumours to cause unrest in the aviation community or are you just working for one of it's competitors and doing your best to knock the reputation of this company and trying to bring about it's demise ???
Working for flybe myself i can tell you for a fact that we WILL NOT be a all Q400 fleet and that various jet fleet replacement options are being evaluated at the present time.
Our speciality is to offer low cost city centre to city centre air travel in regional markets where the likes of RYR and EZY are unable to go due to the types of a/c they operate and a suitable replacement for the 146 that can offer the same level's of performance to get into the smaller airfields that we operate too that are nearest to various city center's.
We actually like to operate to the places we say we operate too and not to somewhere 50-60 miles away or even in another country like a certain airline.
I would very much like to know how you know what is discussed in our company board meetings and how you have got that information - as i'm sure that every thing discussed is confidential and would not be released to the likes of yourself.
brgds
W.G
I am left wondering who you actually are - i have reviewed your post's on here and most them appear to be knocking flybe and forecasting the death of the company, are you a disrgruntled employee or ex employee of the company who is spreading rumours to cause unrest in the aviation community or are you just working for one of it's competitors and doing your best to knock the reputation of this company and trying to bring about it's demise ???
Working for flybe myself i can tell you for a fact that we WILL NOT be a all Q400 fleet and that various jet fleet replacement options are being evaluated at the present time.
Our speciality is to offer low cost city centre to city centre air travel in regional markets where the likes of RYR and EZY are unable to go due to the types of a/c they operate and a suitable replacement for the 146 that can offer the same level's of performance to get into the smaller airfields that we operate too that are nearest to various city center's.
We actually like to operate to the places we say we operate too and not to somewhere 50-60 miles away or even in another country like a certain airline.
I would very much like to know how you know what is discussed in our company board meetings and how you have got that information - as i'm sure that every thing discussed is confidential and would not be released to the likes of yourself.
brgds
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For what it's worth, I would be amazed if "Barbara Cassani" is the great lady herself; I would further be amazed if they knew anything about the internals of flybe. I think someone is either trying to sound more important than they are, or are just trying to stir up a debate/trouble.
Good luck to you all in Exeter.
TA
For what it's worth, I would be amazed if "Barbara Cassani" is the great lady herself; I would further be amazed if they knew anything about the internals of flybe. I think someone is either trying to sound more important than they are, or are just trying to stir up a debate/trouble.
Good luck to you all in Exeter.
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This hasnt been added to for a while.
VBird & Snowflake have already gone bust.
Survivors/mergers:
easyJet - they may overtake Ryanair in pax and profit
Ryanair - they will find it more challenging though than EZY to find airports and routes for the 125 B738's, especially during unhedged operations
Bmibaby and Jet2 may merge before either of they fail (or get sold off)
Virgin Express - continue to be propped up over the winter
Flybe- used to think they would go tits up but now changing my mind if they concentrate on regional low fares with DH8-400's.
Germanwings - deep pockets with eurowings
Thomsonfly & HLX, possibly merge in future
Basiq air- will continue but could merge with another
Wizz Air - its expansion and strategic moves seem well thought out, it also has deep pockets/large investors
Volareweb
Complete failures:
EUJet (sorry!)
AirBerlin/Niki (how many times have LCC succeeded in offering rock-bottom fares with full service!? come on guys! - oh and Southampton-Paderborn, what the hell were they thinking?!)
Globespan (enough said) - possibly merge with Jet2 (?)
Air Polonia (wont be able to stand the heat of wizz)
Norwegian.no (i feel it in my bones)
mytravel.lite (enough already)
Iceland express
Helvetic
Flyme
Air Scotland
Windjet
Zoom (is this really a true long-haul low cost?)
Undecided
SkyEurope
Germania express (not Germania)
smart wings
feedback please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jet
VBird & Snowflake have already gone bust.
Survivors/mergers:
easyJet - they may overtake Ryanair in pax and profit
Ryanair - they will find it more challenging though than EZY to find airports and routes for the 125 B738's, especially during unhedged operations
Bmibaby and Jet2 may merge before either of they fail (or get sold off)
Virgin Express - continue to be propped up over the winter
Flybe- used to think they would go tits up but now changing my mind if they concentrate on regional low fares with DH8-400's.
Germanwings - deep pockets with eurowings
Thomsonfly & HLX, possibly merge in future
Basiq air- will continue but could merge with another
Wizz Air - its expansion and strategic moves seem well thought out, it also has deep pockets/large investors
Volareweb
Complete failures:
EUJet (sorry!)
AirBerlin/Niki (how many times have LCC succeeded in offering rock-bottom fares with full service!? come on guys! - oh and Southampton-Paderborn, what the hell were they thinking?!)
Globespan (enough said) - possibly merge with Jet2 (?)
Air Polonia (wont be able to stand the heat of wizz)
Norwegian.no (i feel it in my bones)
mytravel.lite (enough already)
Iceland express
Helvetic
Flyme
Air Scotland
Windjet
Zoom (is this really a true long-haul low cost?)
Undecided
SkyEurope
Germania express (not Germania)
smart wings
feedback please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jet
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ALLMCC
I have ben watching this in the financial press all week. There have been various rumours as to why the easyJet share price has risen, including the Ryanair one.
This is the latest rumour.
"UK airline Easyjet surges 16% on Icelandic bid report
By Kabir Chibber, CBS Marketwatch.com 11:50:18 AM BST Oct 22, 2004
LONDON (CBS.MW) -- Shares in U.K. low-cost airline Easyjet (EZJ) surged 16 percent in late morning trade as speculation continued on a possible takeover of the airline. The Guardian reported that three Icelandic airline companies - Air Atlanta Icelandic, which owns U.K. low-cost airline Excel Airways, Iceland Express and Icelandair - are close to declaring a 3 percent holding in Easyjet."
I have ben watching this in the financial press all week. There have been various rumours as to why the easyJet share price has risen, including the Ryanair one.
This is the latest rumour.
"UK airline Easyjet surges 16% on Icelandic bid report
By Kabir Chibber, CBS Marketwatch.com 11:50:18 AM BST Oct 22, 2004
LONDON (CBS.MW) -- Shares in U.K. low-cost airline Easyjet (EZJ) surged 16 percent in late morning trade as speculation continued on a possible takeover of the airline. The Guardian reported that three Icelandic airline companies - Air Atlanta Icelandic, which owns U.K. low-cost airline Excel Airways, Iceland Express and Icelandair - are close to declaring a 3 percent holding in Easyjet."
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>AirBerlin/Niki (how many times have LCC succeeded in offering
>rock-bottom fares with full service!? come on guys! - oh and
>Southampton-Paderborn, what the hell were they thinking?!)
There is a fair amount of demand for this route because of the service personnel and families who are based in the Salisbury/Andover areas and who currently have to travel to Stansted to get to the Military bases in that part of Germany.
I don't what booked loads are like yet, but from what I've heard they're not too bad. Time will tell.
>rock-bottom fares with full service!? come on guys! - oh and
>Southampton-Paderborn, what the hell were they thinking?!)
There is a fair amount of demand for this route because of the service personnel and families who are based in the Salisbury/Andover areas and who currently have to travel to Stansted to get to the Military bases in that part of Germany.
I don't what booked loads are like yet, but from what I've heard they're not too bad. Time will tell.
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RE: Flyglobespan
I currently work for the Orange Mob at a Scottish base but have used Globespan once. Great service providing a great product.
Allocated seating - I love it.
Onboard service - same as easy
I think they'll do really well and don't underestimate Tom Dalrymple. If they paid a bit more & offered a pension I'd leave easyJet tomorrow.
easyJet have missed the boat with GLA/EDI. While airlines are banging on the door trying to get slots at both airports BAA are not going to reduce their fees for easyJet. So we'll mirror image BA for the foreseeable future.
Even with direct services from GLA/EDI I'd fly Globespan with allocated seating everytime. Don't like an undignified scrum when I'm going on holiday.....
I currently work for the Orange Mob at a Scottish base but have used Globespan once. Great service providing a great product.
Allocated seating - I love it.
Onboard service - same as easy
I think they'll do really well and don't underestimate Tom Dalrymple. If they paid a bit more & offered a pension I'd leave easyJet tomorrow.
easyJet have missed the boat with GLA/EDI. While airlines are banging on the door trying to get slots at both airports BAA are not going to reduce their fees for easyJet. So we'll mirror image BA for the foreseeable future.
Even with direct services from GLA/EDI I'd fly Globespan with allocated seating everytime. Don't like an undignified scrum when I'm going on holiday.....
LoveJet
Can't agree with your analysis that Air Berlin is going to fail in the LCC bloodbath.
AB & Niki are the market leaders in the German leisure market, and their Mallorca Shuttle, which is essentially the template for the City Shuttle was operating long before the term LCC was coined.
The German market isn't driven solely by price, Germans still look for quality and AB's honest pricing (all taxes included in the headline fare) and decent cabin service still counts for something.
I travel with them frequently between UK and Germany, and there is no comparison between their service and that of some of the UK and Irish competitors.
SOUTHAMPTON-PADERBORN
This route isn't necessarily ending on 17 March. In fact all the City Shuttle routes are not presently bookable beyond this date.
Can't agree with your analysis that Air Berlin is going to fail in the LCC bloodbath.
AB & Niki are the market leaders in the German leisure market, and their Mallorca Shuttle, which is essentially the template for the City Shuttle was operating long before the term LCC was coined.
The German market isn't driven solely by price, Germans still look for quality and AB's honest pricing (all taxes included in the headline fare) and decent cabin service still counts for something.
I travel with them frequently between UK and Germany, and there is no comparison between their service and that of some of the UK and Irish competitors.
SOUTHAMPTON-PADERBORN
This route isn't necessarily ending on 17 March. In fact all the City Shuttle routes are not presently bookable beyond this date.
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AIR BERLIN/NIKI
I agree that quality service counts for something on a LCC, the only problem is that it jacks up cost, and when fuel is rising and competition from other LCC without the frills is intensifying there is one logical conclusion: It isn't long sustainable. You must agree?
SOU-PAD. All other Stansted and Manchester City Shuttle (try saying that drunk and fast) routes are on sale after March through to September 2005 apart from this one. Fares are still very low on the web, must mean one thing!?
Jet
I agree that quality service counts for something on a LCC, the only problem is that it jacks up cost, and when fuel is rising and competition from other LCC without the frills is intensifying there is one logical conclusion: It isn't long sustainable. You must agree?
SOU-PAD. All other Stansted and Manchester City Shuttle (try saying that drunk and fast) routes are on sale after March through to September 2005 apart from this one. Fares are still very low on the web, must mean one thing!?
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What has not been mentioned about the icelandair buy in at easy jet is that it will be easier for them to prevent easyjet starting an icelandic service and so protecting their own interests whilst at the same time investing money. Now who is the smart one !!!.
It is very interesting to read this thread from start to finish as it has been running for a few months now, to see what developments have happened. The biggest in this regard being the 737's by flybe, read the thread and tell me who honestly saw that coming.
The next few months are when the heat will be turned up by the big boys and after christmas when the cash flow is lowest i would imagine some movements on mergers/take overs and bankruptcy.
It is very interesting to read this thread from start to finish as it has been running for a few months now, to see what developments have happened. The biggest in this regard being the 737's by flybe, read the thread and tell me who honestly saw that coming.
The next few months are when the heat will be turned up by the big boys and after christmas when the cash flow is lowest i would imagine some movements on mergers/take overs and bankruptcy.
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loveJet:
I heard that Volareweb isn´t doing too well these days... 
Survivors/mergers:
easyJet - they may overtake Ryanair in pax and profit
Ryanair - they will find it more challenging though than EZY to find airports and routes for the 125 B738's, especially during unhedged operations
Bmibaby and Jet2 may merge before either of they fail (or get sold off)
Virgin Express - continue to be propped up over the winter
Flybe- used to think they would go tits up but now changing my mind if they concentrate on regional low fares with DH8-400's.
Germanwings - deep pockets with eurowings
Thomsonfly & HLX, possibly merge in future
Basiq air- will continue but could merge with another
Wizz Air - its expansion and strategic moves seem well thought out, it also has deep pockets/large investors
Volareweb
easyJet - they may overtake Ryanair in pax and profit
Ryanair - they will find it more challenging though than EZY to find airports and routes for the 125 B738's, especially during unhedged operations
Bmibaby and Jet2 may merge before either of they fail (or get sold off)
Virgin Express - continue to be propped up over the winter
Flybe- used to think they would go tits up but now changing my mind if they concentrate on regional low fares with DH8-400's.
Germanwings - deep pockets with eurowings
Thomsonfly & HLX, possibly merge in future
Basiq air- will continue but could merge with another
Wizz Air - its expansion and strategic moves seem well thought out, it also has deep pockets/large investors
Volareweb
LoveJet
I'm by no means convinced of the early demise of AB. They have in Joachim Hunold a pretty shrewd businessman as CEO, and the tie up with NIKI, along with the new codeshare with Hapag Lloyd seems to suggest they have their eyes on the ball.
I would say a more likely scenario than AB going down, would be for them to pick up the remnants of some of the other German LCCs - notably GEXX whose network seems very fragmented. Time alone will tell.
SOU-PAD. When last I booked STN-NUE, a week or so ago, City Shuttle was not on sale anywhere beyond 17 March. As you say, the future doesn't look so good for this one route now, in light of the release of the rest of the UK program, including, I see, a return to a daily STN-PMI for the Summer.
I'm by no means convinced of the early demise of AB. They have in Joachim Hunold a pretty shrewd businessman as CEO, and the tie up with NIKI, along with the new codeshare with Hapag Lloyd seems to suggest they have their eyes on the ball.
I would say a more likely scenario than AB going down, would be for them to pick up the remnants of some of the other German LCCs - notably GEXX whose network seems very fragmented. Time alone will tell.
SOU-PAD. When last I booked STN-NUE, a week or so ago, City Shuttle was not on sale anywhere beyond 17 March. As you say, the future doesn't look so good for this one route now, in light of the release of the rest of the UK program, including, I see, a return to a daily STN-PMI for the Summer.
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Looks like the battle has commenced. This is from the Flybe website.
Air Price War: Flybe. says "Bring it on"
27th October 2004
FlyBE., Europe’s 3rd largest low cost airline, and the largest carrier at Belfast City Airport, has announced its lowest ever fares on services to London Gatwick, Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Newcastle and Liverpool.
Effective immediately, the lowest one-way fare on the six routes including all tax and charges will be £9.99.
Mike Rutter, FlyBE. Marketing & Sales Director, says: “It is no secret that Easyjet has initiated a fares promotion on all routes where we compete head-to-head. They are obviously feeling pressure on these routes as a result of our ever-increasing market share and the overwhelming success of our recently launched Belfast City Airport to Liverpool route. We should emphasise that unlike Easyjet, our fares promotion also includes London Gatwick, an extremely important connection for Northern Ireland.”
“We maintain that competition in the market is very healthy and excellent news for the travelling public.
“But unlike other airlines, we guarantee a great deal more added value. FlyBE. is the most punctual airline on these six routes. We offer pre-assigned seating, a flexible business product, including executive lounge access, 30 minutes less drive-time to the centre of Belfast and a check-in time 50% less than Easyjet, with the added advantage of check-in at the ticket desk for passengers carrying only hand luggage.
“We are confident that these fares at £9.99, combined with all the added extras is an unbeatable mix.
“FlyBE. is now providing 11 direct services from Belfast City Airport giving comprehensive connections throughout the UK.
“Our prices are the most competitive they have ever been and ticket sales show the travelling public likes what’s on offer.
“We know that the NI Consumer want low fares and quality service and they already know the best way to guarantee this is to choose to fly with FlyBE., as they are already doing in droves.!”
Air Price War: Flybe. says "Bring it on"
27th October 2004
FlyBE., Europe’s 3rd largest low cost airline, and the largest carrier at Belfast City Airport, has announced its lowest ever fares on services to London Gatwick, Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Newcastle and Liverpool.
Effective immediately, the lowest one-way fare on the six routes including all tax and charges will be £9.99.
Mike Rutter, FlyBE. Marketing & Sales Director, says: “It is no secret that Easyjet has initiated a fares promotion on all routes where we compete head-to-head. They are obviously feeling pressure on these routes as a result of our ever-increasing market share and the overwhelming success of our recently launched Belfast City Airport to Liverpool route. We should emphasise that unlike Easyjet, our fares promotion also includes London Gatwick, an extremely important connection for Northern Ireland.”
“We maintain that competition in the market is very healthy and excellent news for the travelling public.
“But unlike other airlines, we guarantee a great deal more added value. FlyBE. is the most punctual airline on these six routes. We offer pre-assigned seating, a flexible business product, including executive lounge access, 30 minutes less drive-time to the centre of Belfast and a check-in time 50% less than Easyjet, with the added advantage of check-in at the ticket desk for passengers carrying only hand luggage.
“We are confident that these fares at £9.99, combined with all the added extras is an unbeatable mix.
“FlyBE. is now providing 11 direct services from Belfast City Airport giving comprehensive connections throughout the UK.
“Our prices are the most competitive they have ever been and ticket sales show the travelling public likes what’s on offer.
“We know that the NI Consumer want low fares and quality service and they already know the best way to guarantee this is to choose to fly with FlyBE., as they are already doing in droves.!”