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According to LBA web site there is to be a summer charter to FNC.
Would imagine this would be Atlantic Holidays?
Route should prove popular; Yorkshire punters wanting to go to the garden island of Madeira currently need to do the horrendous trek over t'hill on't M62 to MAN.
Would imagine this would be Atlantic Holidays?
Route should prove popular; Yorkshire punters wanting to go to the garden island of Madeira currently need to do the horrendous trek over t'hill on't M62 to MAN.
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If you open up the summer 2005 timetable, it gives you the following info :
MADEIRA - FUNCHAL DEPARTS - 12:50, RETURNS 23:55 FROM 02/05 UNTIL 24/10 AIRLINE - ASTRAEUS TOUR OPERATOR ATLANTIC HOLIDAYS.
I'm very sceptical about this, for one it would mean the need of a second based AEU unit on a Monday, and, why have they put it on so late? Incidentally, the PDF timetables are a great idea, actually gives us the info we want, what airline is operating the flights!
Also just realised, that according to the LBA timetable, the AEU doesent go to CWL on a Friday night, is now operating a TFS out of LBA, departing 18:30, arriving back 03:50. Also a new IWD TFS flight on a Friday arriving 11:20 departing 12:20, British Jet on a Sunday arriving and departing on a Dinnertime changing over to Friday during the winter.
MADEIRA - FUNCHAL DEPARTS - 12:50, RETURNS 23:55 FROM 02/05 UNTIL 24/10 AIRLINE - ASTRAEUS TOUR OPERATOR ATLANTIC HOLIDAYS.
I'm very sceptical about this, for one it would mean the need of a second based AEU unit on a Monday, and, why have they put it on so late? Incidentally, the PDF timetables are a great idea, actually gives us the info we want, what airline is operating the flights!
Also just realised, that according to the LBA timetable, the AEU doesent go to CWL on a Friday night, is now operating a TFS out of LBA, departing 18:30, arriving back 03:50. Also a new IWD TFS flight on a Friday arriving 11:20 departing 12:20, British Jet on a Sunday arriving and departing on a Dinnertime changing over to Friday during the winter.
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I wouldn't take the LBA timetable as gospel.
The Funchal is via Cardiff, the original positioning flight each Monday from LBA to do that aforementioned flight from CWL, which Atlantic Holidays will now take a 30 - 40 seat allocation out of Leeds on the positioning sector, (depending on the week in question). Ignore the times of the Reus, it is due to return into LBA at circa 12.10 each Monday (and has been for the last 2 months - the REU-MME-REU "W" ex LBA sector is not now op by AEU). This is just "Rossendale's best" being SLOW at changing what is in the system. As per my previous post the Friday night TFS for My Travel is only bookable in May, again due to My Travel being slow to put these changes in place.
I also notice that the airport has the wrong times for the Pegasus DLM for MyTravel, it is now a late evening flight, (swapped with HUY), and as mentioned before in my posts, the Pisa for TUI has been axed.
The Funchal is via Cardiff, the original positioning flight each Monday from LBA to do that aforementioned flight from CWL, which Atlantic Holidays will now take a 30 - 40 seat allocation out of Leeds on the positioning sector, (depending on the week in question). Ignore the times of the Reus, it is due to return into LBA at circa 12.10 each Monday (and has been for the last 2 months - the REU-MME-REU "W" ex LBA sector is not now op by AEU). This is just "Rossendale's best" being SLOW at changing what is in the system. As per my previous post the Friday night TFS for My Travel is only bookable in May, again due to My Travel being slow to put these changes in place.
I also notice that the airport has the wrong times for the Pegasus DLM for MyTravel, it is now a late evening flight, (swapped with HUY), and as mentioned before in my posts, the Pisa for TUI has been axed.
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I must confess, I've given up trying to understand the charter programme at Leeds. It just never seems to follow the basic rules of supply and demand. There's been more one season wonders than I care to list, right up until 1-May new flights are added (Funchal) and others are dropped (Pisa) and to some popular med eastern med destinations LBA is out-gunned by places like HUY and EXT.
More learned observers than myself might be able to explain it all, but it just beats me!!!!
loco
PS - just checked edition 20 (yes that's right, 20) of the airport's online PDF charter timetable. It was updated yesterday and has the PISA in and the AEU to TFS in for the full season.
More learned observers than myself might be able to explain it all, but it just beats me!!!!
loco
PS - just checked edition 20 (yes that's right, 20) of the airport's online PDF charter timetable. It was updated yesterday and has the PISA in and the AEU to TFS in for the full season.
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PS - just checked edition 20 (yes that's right, 20) of the airport's online PDF charter timetable. It was updated yesterday and has the PISA in and the AEU to TFS in for the full season.
Believe me the TUI Pisa is gone, even though Crystal are trying their best to save it (and I hope they do), but all the TUI (or those with a choice) pax are rebooked out of DSA. The BMI 145 will now do a high season JER.
As for the Fri TFS with MYT, either look in the system or just go to a Travel Agent and try to book in June or after....you will then see what I am saying...
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Is the AEU still free on Saturday mornings before it goes to ALC? Enough time for a quick PSA and back maybe. I do hope we haven't lost the PSA for good.
Anyone heard anything about Summer 06 from LBA? Brochures should be out in a few weeks time.
Anyone heard anything about Summer 06 from LBA? Brochures should be out in a few weeks time.
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In this thread a Leeds-Sweeden-Lahore route is mentioned.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=169371
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=169371
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I don’t think the tour operators operate to any different principles than anyone else really. I’m sure it’s all about the bottom line. I think the difference is that, compared to a scheduled operator like Jet2, the profit dynamic is much less transparent.
When Jet2 run a service to say PMI, it’s pretty simple. They sell the tickets and the revenue they get is a function of load x average yield per passenger. Take off the operating costs and there you have it. And it’s pretty easy for the casual observer to get a feel for yields, loads and the extent to which discounts and marketing effort are used to get bums on seats.
Compare that to say My Travel running a charter to PMI. Passengers on that flight will be a combination of flight only and package customers. These passengers may have booked directly My Travel or through another travel agent and there are likely to be seat allocations given over to other tour operators, and of course the actual flying may well be subcontracted to an other airline. So, the number of businesses looking to take some margin out of the 150-180 passengers on such a service is complicated to say the least. And all the casual observer has to go on to gauge success is load, which invariably will be in the high 90%s because the tour operators are very good at shifting empty seats and filling empty hotel and apartment rooms. But there’s just no line of sight from the 95% load to the bottom line, unfortunately.
The other complication of course is that even if everyone does take some profit out the service, they might all take more if those passengers were flown out of another UK airport. Tour Operators know that simply not offering a service ex-LBA doesn’t mean would-be holidaymakers drop their plans and so operating the flight out of MAN is likely to still get the passengers and potentially lower unit costs from the airline.
I don’t profess to be an expert on this, but it strikes me as the most logical explanation for why charter series operator for one season or two with full loads, only to disappear the following year.
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When Jet2 run a service to say PMI, it’s pretty simple. They sell the tickets and the revenue they get is a function of load x average yield per passenger. Take off the operating costs and there you have it. And it’s pretty easy for the casual observer to get a feel for yields, loads and the extent to which discounts and marketing effort are used to get bums on seats.
Compare that to say My Travel running a charter to PMI. Passengers on that flight will be a combination of flight only and package customers. These passengers may have booked directly My Travel or through another travel agent and there are likely to be seat allocations given over to other tour operators, and of course the actual flying may well be subcontracted to an other airline. So, the number of businesses looking to take some margin out of the 150-180 passengers on such a service is complicated to say the least. And all the casual observer has to go on to gauge success is load, which invariably will be in the high 90%s because the tour operators are very good at shifting empty seats and filling empty hotel and apartment rooms. But there’s just no line of sight from the 95% load to the bottom line, unfortunately.
The other complication of course is that even if everyone does take some profit out the service, they might all take more if those passengers were flown out of another UK airport. Tour Operators know that simply not offering a service ex-LBA doesn’t mean would-be holidaymakers drop their plans and so operating the flight out of MAN is likely to still get the passengers and potentially lower unit costs from the airline.
I don’t profess to be an expert on this, but it strikes me as the most logical explanation for why charter series operator for one season or two with full loads, only to disappear the following year.
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hi statler what do you mean about the staff car park? Do you have to park in the bottom ones near the airport tunnel?
Im ok i park in the top car park and often get the prime postition next to check in hall b! sometimes at peak hours there isnt any spaces and in summer its gonna be a joke!
where bouts do u work?
cheers
Ash
Im ok i park in the top car park and often get the prime postition next to check in hall b! sometimes at peak hours there isnt any spaces and in summer its gonna be a joke!
where bouts do u work?
cheers
Ash
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FA Carpark
Statler and ashmac,
The carpark nearest to the terminal is the AA which used to just mean 'Airport Authority' vehicles, basically a 'perk of the job' been next to the terminal for the airport company workers.
The FA carpark is for everyone else, the 'riff raff', the ones that keep the airport going. (FA meaning '**** All', designated by former airport security manager E.D. who actually once told me this. Still today the greater people of the airport, who keep the place running, still park in the FA carpark. The FA carpark is otherwise known as the 'flyover' or the 'carwash'.
On the bright side boys and girls, I have been informed that the area nearest the carwash (up the ramp) currently occupied by the taxis is shortly to become extra parking.
The carpark nearest to the terminal is the AA which used to just mean 'Airport Authority' vehicles, basically a 'perk of the job' been next to the terminal for the airport company workers.
The FA carpark is for everyone else, the 'riff raff', the ones that keep the airport going. (FA meaning '**** All', designated by former airport security manager E.D. who actually once told me this. Still today the greater people of the airport, who keep the place running, still park in the FA carpark. The FA carpark is otherwise known as the 'flyover' or the 'carwash'.
On the bright side boys and girls, I have been informed that the area nearest the carwash (up the ramp) currently occupied by the taxis is shortly to become extra parking.
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i feel priviledged to be parking in the AA carpark then, as i am no airport company worker- pretty sure some servisair staff use it as well!
Just an update on expansion in the terminal. Whsmith airside will be extending into gate 2 area for additional capacity and, Yorkshire hero will be having some sort of revamp and expansion during the next few months. oh and maybe the cash machine upstairs may get filled up before the summer season!
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cheers ash
Just an update on expansion in the terminal. Whsmith airside will be extending into gate 2 area for additional capacity and, Yorkshire hero will be having some sort of revamp and expansion during the next few months. oh and maybe the cash machine upstairs may get filled up before the summer season!
!cheers ash
A Leeds Bradford Airport - related discussion forum claims that Jet2 is to use 737-400s for Tenerife services and that the Manchester routes aren't performing too well. Also, BMI are to can the LCY route. Wouldn't be surprised about the latter; there never seem to be that many punters for this one and there's has been hardly any advertising. Wonder if VLM could do any better ?
As for Tenerife, there's been talk that the -400 aircraft are little more range-capable than the company's existing fleet of -300s so I'm not sure about this one. Manchester routes, got no idea.
Anyone else in the know got owt to add ??
As for Tenerife, there's been talk that the -400 aircraft are little more range-capable than the company's existing fleet of -300s so I'm not sure about this one. Manchester routes, got no idea.
Anyone else in the know got owt to add ??
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Apron Expansion
Does anyone know what is going on with this fiasco? First it is happening, then it's not and then maybe? Any ideas?
We are told the airport will have as many as 21 aircraft night stopping. In the short term runway 27 is a viable option, however, this cannot go on much longer.
We are told the airport will have as many as 21 aircraft night stopping. In the short term runway 27 is a viable option, however, this cannot go on much longer.
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They're going to have to do something and quick if the airport continues to expand at the current rate.
From the airports website "Leeds Bradford Airport (LBA) had the busiest March on record as 191,905 passengers flew from Yorkshire’s Premier Airport. This was an increase of 20% on prior year, which confirms LBA’s place as one of the UK’s fastest growing airports. "
Guess they'll need further terminal upgrades too if growth doesn't slow down soon.
Nice problem to have though!
From the airports website "Leeds Bradford Airport (LBA) had the busiest March on record as 191,905 passengers flew from Yorkshire’s Premier Airport. This was an increase of 20% on prior year, which confirms LBA’s place as one of the UK’s fastest growing airports. "
Guess they'll need further terminal upgrades too if growth doesn't slow down soon.
Nice problem to have though!
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The Southwest-Yorkshire link resumes tomorrow after a break of a few years.
Let's hope it succeeds this time and in its expanded form, with NQY, PLH and EXT (a bit later in the summer) all joining BRS in providing a much needed cross-country air link to LBA.
Good luck to the airlines involved.
Anyone due to travel on it in the near future?
Let's hope it succeeds this time and in its expanded form, with NQY, PLH and EXT (a bit later in the summer) all joining BRS in providing a much needed cross-country air link to LBA.
Good luck to the airlines involved.
Anyone due to travel on it in the near future?