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Old 1st May 2004, 12:54
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Some news about Teesside.

A Spanair MD83 will be based at Teesside for the next month to take on the mytravel services. Not sure what happens after that.

bmi are to replace all f100 with larger aircraft and add a 4th flight a day.

Eastern to replace the J31 with a J41.

New handling agent to start.

Does the fact that Thomson basing an aircraft mean that Thomsonfly may come as well? Some rumours have suggested that Peel have signed a deal with Thomson along these lines.

Has the fact that Leeds and Newcastle approached their capacities in the summer meant that companies will now see Teesside as a serious alternative now?

Does anyone have any clues on what bmibaby's winter destinations will be from Teesside?

Does anyone know if Mytravel will have an aircraft based at Teesside next year?
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Spanair's "based" A/C is due to be an MD throughout the S'04 season.......but as you may be aware things change!
MYT. Think of it from a business perspective. Just pulled out of MME given up the crew room and the offices-crew that came to MME for the summer are simply staying at their permanent bases ie NCL/LBA.....for the time being. LBA due to close but this is another story. They are reducing the fleet/capacity and it makes sense not to recruit x amount of seasonal crew for several reasons. Once MYT are back on their feet this may become an option but I think back to basics for the next few years. Remember it's not a simple thing sending an ac in as ops have to think of many things including the catering, bars, transporting crew, to name a few.
Spoke to a BM tecchie who said the F100's are due to op some BM regional routes and the 319 should be at MME but like most airlines BM will give MME whatever is left in the fleet! Joking aside Airbus should be operating all mainline.
New handling agent? Is there the demand...in a word NO. I believe you may have heard about the agent setting up to handle VIP flights (private jets)

As always I wait and stand to be corrected!
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Seems JKK are off to a great start here! lol the Faro flight is due at 1000 this morning, just a little over 10hrs late!

well done JKK!

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It's now due at 1400! I'm guessing the other 2 flights today (Reus & Las Palmas) are going to be seriously delayed to, given that the Reus flight was due to return to MME at 1205....
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JKK now due 1400, just a tad over 14hrs late now

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Well the Faro flight arrived at around 3.30 with the Reus flight expected at a similar time. Does anyone know what happened? Did a sub aircraft come in?

In answer to the other questions:

I don't think MYT will be back next year, though the Thomson brochure shows a Faro flight next year operated by MYT with a based-type slot.

The LHR flights will be a mix of 100,319 & 145s over the Summer. Where did you hear about the 4th flight; I hadn't heard that?

No news on winter for baby yet, the question is will we keep the based 737?
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I think you will kepp the a/c but get no more for quite a long time !
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Pembo i have it on very good authority that bmi are seriously considering a 4th flight a day, partly because there has been a few complaints over the new timings.
Also have been told that the F100 will be dropped and the A319 will take over completely with no 145 at all. The only reason for these last year was that they would then do the Jersey that have been dropped by bmi.

nclfan/Pembo baby will probably keep the aircraft as there is now several based crews at Teesside with most living in the area. The question is will the timetable include fewer flights out of Teesside with 'w' to cardiff and east midlands, or the same amount of flights to more winter destinations such as more Geneva flights.

nclfan unless Newcastle doesn't sort it's shortage of stands they will have very few extra based aircraft and so Teesside may pick up extra traffic.

Many at Teesside are amazed with how well the baby flights are performing and are asking the question 'where are all the extra passengers coming from'
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Excellent news about a 4th flight a day to LHR. The timing of the first flight from LHR does seem a bit early at 7.00am and then there is a huge gap until the next flight. Good to hear that the Baby flights are doing well too.

I see the Spanair Reus flight is due in at 22.15 now, only 10 and a bit hours late. Great start to the Spanair flights! If Spanair are only here for a month what happens after that?? On the Airtours website they are still JKK flight numbers in July.

I have also seen the Airtours Summer 2005 preview brochure, and the flights from Teesside are pretty much exactly the same as this year with Spanair as the based airline, apart from one change, instead of Alicante on a Saturday morning it is Costa Brava which I suppose is Gerona. Don't know how accurate these preview brochures are.

As for baby next winter, maybe Toulouse and Munich as well as geneva again, as they were 2 destinations for baby from Nema last winter. M aybe Paris CDG. Maybe they will also fly to their new UK airport LGW Just speculation.

nclfan 'I think you will kepp the a/c but get no more for quite a long time' Why?? Just wondering?
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onion - like other posts I am very curious how you hear this information!!!!! Are they really adding a 4th flight????? I would have though that, considering it's not on sale, and to the commercial sensitivity over changes that happen, that the only people who would know would be bmi themselves, and the airport!!! And surely no-one in them companies would give away company secrets!!!!!

I've always wondered where these start.

However, a 4th does make a bit of sense, ignoring the first flight (which I thought would have been good for business people???), consdeiring that NCL has 7 a day to LHR and 5 to LGW with BA , not counting the easy flights to STN!!! (correct me if I'm wrong on those)
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I still think the 4th flight must be at rumour stage. The obvious question being where does the extra LHR slot come from?

JKK are here at MME all Summer until October. The only day they don't operate is a Tuesday. Good job really, they can catch up on the weekend's delays!

Next year looks like being hectic (by our standards) with two based charter aircraft (BY & JKK) in addition to the low cost routes of baby!
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Have heard that WW will be scrapping MME - BFS in the near future due to unacceptably poor loads - any truth in this?
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I know the load factors are poor but have heard nothing of the route being scrapped.

Likely, but probably not until the end of the summer season.
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I believe Jet2's LBA/BFS is not doing particularly well either, in fact it's probably their worst route with LF regularly below 70%. They are however competing with FlyBE to city.
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This is my first post guys so please bear with me!!!

Shame about baby belfast flights,had friends who have used the service and they say the aircraft is never even half full,maybe air-wales could take over the route with there atr,s?

Just hope the other routes are performing well,woul love to see a Paris cdg route from MME,and maybe a route to germany,could germanwings try a cologne-teesside now they are co-operating with baby?

Are the bmi A319,s now on the LHR? seen a few A320,s recently fly over my house on the 8am arrival.

Hopefully good times are ahead for MME, with the terminal expansion and some new routes things can only get better.

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The MME-LHR is planned to be all-A319 in the future, from around July I think, but for now it is A320 on the first arrival (0800) and a mix of A319/F100 on the others.

It would be good if Germanwings would start CGN-MME with their A319's, also I wouldn't be surprised if Baby let Air Wales operate the BFS route, it performing very bad, with load factors for the Jan + Feb both around 30%.

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no, no, no- I can't comment on where i get the information. Although the information is correct more often than not otherwise I wouldn't post it.

In reference to the Belfast march's figures give 37% not great but improving. I also know that recently they have had loads of 60+ pax. They need to bite the bullet and put on a second service a day to Belfast to compete properly with both Newcastle and Leeds, and get the timings correct with a morning and evening service. One service a day at midday is no good to the business man who wants to fly out, do a days work and get home all in one day.
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The front page of the May issue of NI Travel News has a report that Flybe are planning routes from BHD to Teesside and Manchester and possibly either Norwich or Cambridge. An announcement will be made in the next few weeks. If the MME goes ahead it will be interesting to see how WW react as Flybe will be targeting business passengers and time their flights accordingly. Arguably the Q400 would be a more suitable aircraft for this route.

Additionally, the Manchester & Teesside will see Flybe in direct competition with WW on two of their four routes from BFS and could spell the end of BACX on the BHD - MAN, sadly the only remaining BA service in NI.
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If flybe do start BHD-MME you can kiss baby goodbye on this route.
DASH8 would be ideal,say two round trips a day,morning and evening,appeal to both business and liesure travellers.
Maybe its a blessing in disguise for baby,they could start a new route to CDG for example.
Having visited belfast last year for a weekend,(and what a weekend!),flew from the "toon" with easyjet,returned with flybe,
must say i prefered BHD to BFS,great little airport only 5 mins from the city centre.Both out/return flights were full so there is a market out there.
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More good news for Teesside if the rumour is true!
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