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Old 27th Apr 2004, 20:38
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BRS EMA NCL etc charter traffic

I know that figures can sometimes ‘prove’ anything and too many are deadly dull.

However, a study of the past twenty years or so of my local airport (BRS) shows how it has changed from a charter/inclusive tours dominated field to one where scheduled services now prevail. I remember the early 1980s, when the annual pax throughput was around 300,000 and when Dan Air operated one or two HS 748s from Belfast and Jersey and Aer Lingus flew a sparse service from Dublin, which was about it as far as scheds were concerned. The rest were the likes of Britannia and Aviaco on charters to the sun.

In 1988 100,000 scheduled passengers flew through the airport for the first time but even this was only about 15% of the overall total.

The latest BRS airport figures show a fraction under 4 million pax for the last financial year, but only 1,287,000 are charter passengers, which means that scheduled passengers now account for about two thirds of the airport’s annual total.

Obviously easyJet is responsible for much of this, with the likes of Flybe, BACX, KLM, Air France, SN Brussels, Ryanair and others chipping in. However, what is most noticeable is that although the overall figures are 11 % up on the previous year, charter traffic for the year is 0.81 % down. This past winter has been especially poor for charter traffic with numbers down most if not every month, and March being nearly 6 % down.

Is Bristol faring worse than comparable airports with its charter traffic vis-à-vis scheduled? I ask because I notice that the CAA provisional figures for March show BRS having 330,000 terminal pax, with its closest airport ‘rivals’ in size, EMA and NCL (which both have slightly more annual pax over the rolling year) having 288,000 and 308,000 respectively.

This suggests to me that both these airports have considerably more summer charter pax than BRS. Lists of based charter aircraft at EMA and NCL seem to confirm this as there are more than at BRS (all I can detect at BRS this summer are 2 First Choice A 321s, 1 Britannia B 757, 1 MyTravel A320 and 1 Islandflug B 734, and I am not certain that all these a/c are there for all of each week).

Have EMA and NCL and also the likes of LPL, LBA and CWL bigger proportions of charter traffic relative to scheduled than BRS, or is BRS reasonably typical of the picture in many regional airports?

Hey, there are a lot of figures aren’t there? Sorry! I hope that not everyone drops off to sleep before getting to the end.
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cf Luton

In the 70s, Luton had one scheduled service (Jersey). It was 98% charter, with the likes of Court Line, Britannia and Monarch as well as foreign airlines like Aviaco, Air Spain, etc. In 1973 it handled around 3m pax.

Since the late 80s, Luton has been attracting scheduled services such that they now represent about 70% of its passenger throughput, now up to 7m pax.

If you compare 2004 charter traffic with 1994 charter traffic, I would expect Luton to show a decline in flights and passenger numbers on charters, although total traffic has never been higher.

Some of the old charter destinations have been superceded by loco operations, often at a higher frequency.

It seems to be a sign of the times......
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Worry not!!

BRS charter market is alive and well despite, in general, a
declining charter market.

EMA and NCL have always have a better Summer charter market.
Our strength is a YEAR round charter market with a good spread
of business - which is why we have the best charter ski market outside LGW/MANandBHX with for W2004/2005 15 + weekly charters. For next winter we will have 2 weekly flights to BJL ( no EMA or NCL to BJL ) plus new SSH and PLV flights.

This Summer you will se the best ever charter programme despite losing 1 MYT A320.FYI nearly all lost flights on the 2nd MYT unit have been replaced with KAJ/PGT/ICB/IWD and JKK.
Other new flights include KLM/SN/VB operating weekend charters.

For S05 we will have new flights to Pula with BY , additional flights to Bourgas plus several other new opportunities!!

Overall - NOTHING to be concerned about - OUR charter is market is in good hands!!

BRS
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Thing is any given based aircraft (say MYT A320) based in Bristol will get more sectors in an averaqge day than one based in Newcastle. The two based Newcastle MYT's wont do double the Bristol machine because the sectors are all longer.

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Newcastle might not have BJL (yet) but we do have 4x SFB and will have Domincan Republic and SSH from next summer! Ski is becoming more popular too, believe we now have ~10 flights per week in the winter months!
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I can't find ANY details of a NCL-SSH flight, whilst it would be a worthy addittion to the NCL programme, where is it OFFICIALLY reported???

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If you go onto the Thomson hols website site, you can book packages for winter 04/05 to SSH from Newcastle, with Britannia (sorry, Thomson.co.uk or whatever its called!).
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ive just been on the thomson website and it only allows to book from LGW and MAN to SSH this winter, what dates is it running? Nov-Apr 05?

Thanks
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Thanks for the update. From your profile I assume you have some genuine background knowledge.

Very interesting about KLM and SN operating charters from BRS this summer. Where are they flying to?

Also do you know which carrier is due to operate the Wednesday Salzburg flight this summer? I'm due to fly out on it early September.

The holiday company website shows XLA (Excel) but Lunn Poly can't confirm it yet.
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No flights from NCL to SSH this winter it seems. Only flights from LGW, MAN and GLA apparently.
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Thats what I thought, I could'nt find ANYTHING ANYWHERE about NCL-SSH, rumour spreading methinks

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aeulad,

Just did a random search on www.thomascook.com for SSH from Newcastle on 17 Feb 05 with several results, the first of which being:


Destination: Egypt (Sharm-El-Sheik)
Resort: Sharm El Sheikh
Board Basis: BB

Dept Airport: Newcastle
Dept Date: 17/02/2005 at 09:50hrs
Duration: 14 nights

from £469 per person


I believe the flight is starting in November.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, I emailed NCL Airport and they confirmed that this flight would go ahead along with the Dominican Republic, there will be no extra TCX SFB flight on Saturdays. Hope this Helps!!
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Thing is any given based aircraft (say MYT A320) based in Bristol will get more sectors in an averaqge day than one based in Newcastle. The two based Newcastle MYT's wont do double the Bristol machine because the sectors are all longer.

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Not necessarily so. Charter operators tend to do two rotations a day on the longer routes (departing morning and late afternoon) and up to three a day on the shorter routes like Spain (morning, afternoon and late evening only if there is demand for an overnight trip to somewhere). Despite the shorter flighttime from Southern UK airports it is difficult to creep forward sufficiently to get a whole extra rotation in, which is typically takes 8 hours or more, if you are just gaining one hour per rotation or a bit more.
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have you seen the NCL flyin programme for MYT this summer, still very busy as always!! he have 1x A320 and 1x A321 both working very hard!!! A320 tends to do more sectors per day than the A321 as its used on the more popular places like TFS.... but the A320 has a hell of a day sometimes.... starting at 0520 for the SLOT 1 departure.....

i.e Sat .. A320... 0520 NCL - PMI, 1400 NCL-ALC, 2045 NCL - LPA

its a busy little bus.... so i think you'll find the workload about same as the BRS A320's
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