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According to Colegate Wizz must have a great public profile in order to succeed. So your Hungarian and Polish is fluent? Because that is where their market is, and that is where they ARE advertising big time! Britain might be a big market, but an airline does not need JUST Britain to succeed..... Luton is just 1 destination out of KTW and BUD. There are 10 more destinations!
So why spend a fortune there (UK)??? You better use your first money in the marketarea where you operate most: Poland and Hungary. And these are big markets (Poland 45 M. people!!!) with too little companies because of the old system.
Wizz is led by a very good management team, with the right mix of airline and corporate managers.
In order to survive they need to expand, otherwise they will ofcoarse be pushed out by the other LCC's. But as far as I know both Easy as Ryan are not planning to make a base out of BUD or KTW. Just some scattered flights.
So I do think Wizz will be a succes!! But time will learn....
So why spend a fortune there (UK)??? You better use your first money in the marketarea where you operate most: Poland and Hungary. And these are big markets (Poland 45 M. people!!!) with too little companies because of the old system.
Wizz is led by a very good management team, with the right mix of airline and corporate managers.
In order to survive they need to expand, otherwise they will ofcoarse be pushed out by the other LCC's. But as far as I know both Easy as Ryan are not planning to make a base out of BUD or KTW. Just some scattered flights.
So I do think Wizz will be a succes!! But time will learn....
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From London Luton Airport's own website front page this afternoon...
Wizz Daily from London Luton Airport to Katovice - Poland and Budapest from only Ł30.98p return!
Stop Press - Wizz Air introduce daily flight to Budapest from London Luton from 24th June 2004.
... just thought you'be interested...
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Wizz Daily from London Luton Airport to Katovice - Poland and Budapest from only Ł30.98p return!
Stop Press - Wizz Air introduce daily flight to Budapest from London Luton from 24th June 2004.
... just thought you'be interested...
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You say Easy and Ryan are planning "a few scattered flights", I presume you mean in Eastern Europe? Do you have any more details? I am aware of the LJU and BUD routes Easy are starting, just wondering if there are any more?
I am a little unsure of the "wizzdom" of them flying to Skavsta, Ciampino, Girona, Bergamo, Treviso, Beauvais et al, as these are either Ryanair bases or hubs, and may attract some unwanted attention from FR. It obviously is good news for these airports, as to be over-reliant on 1 operator (esp in Skavsta and Treviso's case) is never good.
Perhaps we are now seeing the real emergence of the secondary airports, which previously have been held hostage by Ryanair. Don't forget the publicity of the CRL case actually benefitted that airport!
You say Easy and Ryan are planning "a few scattered flights", I presume you mean in Eastern Europe? Do you have any more details? I am aware of the LJU and BUD routes Easy are starting, just wondering if there are any more?
I am a little unsure of the "wizzdom" of them flying to Skavsta, Ciampino, Girona, Bergamo, Treviso, Beauvais et al, as these are either Ryanair bases or hubs, and may attract some unwanted attention from FR. It obviously is good news for these airports, as to be over-reliant on 1 operator (esp in Skavsta and Treviso's case) is never good.
Perhaps we are now seeing the real emergence of the secondary airports, which previously have been held hostage by Ryanair. Don't forget the publicity of the CRL case actually benefitted that airport!
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Wizzair have announced they are increasing their flights from Luton to Katowicz to twice daily wef 1 July. Adding a evening departure ex LTN @ 20.15.
Budapest is also increasing from 7 to 11 weekly flights, wef 15 July with a morning departure ex LTN @ 7.55 on M, W, F, Sun. This is in direct easy competition with easy's daily lunctime departure to BUD from LTN.
Budapest is also increasing from 7 to 11 weekly flights, wef 15 July with a morning departure ex LTN @ 7.55 on M, W, F, Sun. This is in direct easy competition with easy's daily lunctime departure to BUD from LTN.
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Other news at Luton as reported by the newsgroup free.uk.airports-Luton is that Harrods Aviation will be building additional hangarage and ramp parking at LTN. A brand new apron of 9,200 sq metres adjoining a new hangar of 2,500 sq metres are to be built to open at the end of this year. This story first appeared in the company newsletter at http://www.metrofbo.com/index.htm
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Wizzair's inaugural flight has just arrived at Luton from Katowice. Great colour scheme. Good luck to all those involved. At least it got in the air unlike some others we could mention. Service goes twice daily from 1 July plus Budapest commencing next month , that also going twice daily from 15 July.
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I think EZY should be very very worried about new competitors like Wizzair as they soon will be able to undercut EZY prices and offer a better product at the same time.
If you got a good product, clean and state of the art aircraft, a nice paintjob, a large homemarket and low costs, the sky is the limit in Europe!
Maybe Wizzair does not have a flamboyant and charismatic CEO (neither does EZY at this moment by the way!) but don´t underestimate the potential power of the eastern european market, as low cost is the only kind of air travel that most people are able to afford. The don´t NEED British media coverage or British travellers on their airplanes in order to be successful.
Problem is that too many people like colegate think that the UK is the center of the universe.
Look at EZY for example. Their aircraft are dirty and old (especially at STN!) and even the new -700´s look old and dirty after only a couple of months because of a lack of cleaning.
The EZY paint job is horrible! You might say "that´s not important, the ticket price is what counts for the pax" but believe me it IS important! People want a nice clean aircraft and a the paintjob is one of the aspects. If the paintjob looks ugle and the toilet stinks, passengers will have a VERY negative impression.
So far the EZY formula has worked well within the UK because (sorry to break the news) Britain runs not just one hour, but about one decade behind the rest of Europe. Mainland Europeans regard the UK as a country where everything is OLD, EXPENSIVE and DIRTY. Most Brittons don´t seem to mind at all. As a matter of fact, they LIKE it old and outdated and don´t seem to notice the potholes in the streets, the desolate housing blocks or the dirty carpet on the toilet floor. They don´t even mind sitting in an old and dirty 737-300 with an orange website written on the side of the fuselage.
The rest of Europe is a bit different though. Sure, people like to stavel cheap, but at the same time they want to sit in a clean aircraft and they are a bit more concerned about things like image, design and style. I´m doubtfull if the EZY formula will work just as well on the mainland as it has in the UK, with competitors like Wizzair, Germanwings, V Bird, unless they become REALLY REALLY cheap. Like Ryanair....
If you got a good product, clean and state of the art aircraft, a nice paintjob, a large homemarket and low costs, the sky is the limit in Europe!
Maybe Wizzair does not have a flamboyant and charismatic CEO (neither does EZY at this moment by the way!) but don´t underestimate the potential power of the eastern european market, as low cost is the only kind of air travel that most people are able to afford. The don´t NEED British media coverage or British travellers on their airplanes in order to be successful.
Problem is that too many people like colegate think that the UK is the center of the universe.
Look at EZY for example. Their aircraft are dirty and old (especially at STN!) and even the new -700´s look old and dirty after only a couple of months because of a lack of cleaning.
The EZY paint job is horrible! You might say "that´s not important, the ticket price is what counts for the pax" but believe me it IS important! People want a nice clean aircraft and a the paintjob is one of the aspects. If the paintjob looks ugle and the toilet stinks, passengers will have a VERY negative impression.
So far the EZY formula has worked well within the UK because (sorry to break the news) Britain runs not just one hour, but about one decade behind the rest of Europe. Mainland Europeans regard the UK as a country where everything is OLD, EXPENSIVE and DIRTY. Most Brittons don´t seem to mind at all. As a matter of fact, they LIKE it old and outdated and don´t seem to notice the potholes in the streets, the desolate housing blocks or the dirty carpet on the toilet floor. They don´t even mind sitting in an old and dirty 737-300 with an orange website written on the side of the fuselage.
The rest of Europe is a bit different though. Sure, people like to stavel cheap, but at the same time they want to sit in a clean aircraft and they are a bit more concerned about things like image, design and style. I´m doubtfull if the EZY formula will work just as well on the mainland as it has in the UK, with competitors like Wizzair, Germanwings, V Bird, unless they become REALLY REALLY cheap. Like Ryanair....
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Wizzair may be looking at other UK airports if this report in today's Bristol Evening Post is anything to go by.
http://www.thisisbristol.com/display...entPK=10012935
Bristol International Airport has unveiled plans for flights to Poland as it gears up to meet growing demand for travel to new EU member states. Poland was one of 10 new countries to join the EU at the beginning of May, creating new requirements for business and travel opportunities.
Bristol International Airport has unveiled plans to tap into the burgeoning market and is currently involved in negotiations with two Polish low-cost airlines.
They hope to eventually launch a new service between Bristol and an as yet undecided major Polish city.
Tony Hallwood, aviation development director, at Bristol International said its plans to introduce a new line had been prompted by Poland's accession to the European Union.
He said: "There are three things which have sparked Bristol's interest in introducing low cost flights to Poland.
"The first is its membership of the EU. Poland has a population of more than 38 million and is by far the largest new EU member state.
"Therefore it is going to generate leisure and business flights.
"The second is that we have been doing some digging around of our own and found that about 30,000 people from the South West travel to Heathrow and to the South East airports to fly to Poland each year.
"We want to make sure that people from the South West fly from the South West gateway, and that's us."
Mr Hallwood said the third factor had been a growing Polish presence in Bristol, including the decision by city bus operator First Group to recruit 32 Polish drivers and three engineers.
The firm has struggled to retain a full workforce over recent years and 14 of the drivers, together with the three engineers, will be based in Bristol.
Mr Hallwood said: "At the moment it appears there would be demand for flights from Warsaw and Krakow but also other regional gateways including Katowice and Posnan.
"There are two low-cost Polish airlines flying between the UK and Poland, Wizz Air which flies to Katowice and Air Polania which flies into Warsaw.
"We are currently in discussions with both and hope to commence flights to one of the Polish gateways in the near future."
http://www.thisisbristol.com/display...entPK=10012935
Bristol International Airport has unveiled plans for flights to Poland as it gears up to meet growing demand for travel to new EU member states. Poland was one of 10 new countries to join the EU at the beginning of May, creating new requirements for business and travel opportunities.
Bristol International Airport has unveiled plans to tap into the burgeoning market and is currently involved in negotiations with two Polish low-cost airlines.
They hope to eventually launch a new service between Bristol and an as yet undecided major Polish city.
Tony Hallwood, aviation development director, at Bristol International said its plans to introduce a new line had been prompted by Poland's accession to the European Union.
He said: "There are three things which have sparked Bristol's interest in introducing low cost flights to Poland.
"The first is its membership of the EU. Poland has a population of more than 38 million and is by far the largest new EU member state.
"Therefore it is going to generate leisure and business flights.
"The second is that we have been doing some digging around of our own and found that about 30,000 people from the South West travel to Heathrow and to the South East airports to fly to Poland each year.
"We want to make sure that people from the South West fly from the South West gateway, and that's us."
Mr Hallwood said the third factor had been a growing Polish presence in Bristol, including the decision by city bus operator First Group to recruit 32 Polish drivers and three engineers.
The firm has struggled to retain a full workforce over recent years and 14 of the drivers, together with the three engineers, will be based in Bristol.
Mr Hallwood said: "At the moment it appears there would be demand for flights from Warsaw and Krakow but also other regional gateways including Katowice and Posnan.
"There are two low-cost Polish airlines flying between the UK and Poland, Wizz Air which flies to Katowice and Air Polania which flies into Warsaw.
"We are currently in discussions with both and hope to commence flights to one of the Polish gateways in the near future."
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With reference to what Merchant Venturer has written it is interesting to recall that back in the early 1990's BAA did a survey about the usage of Gatwick and Heathrow airports. One statistic that emerged very clearly from that was that for every passenger from Brighton who used Gatwick to fly to Paris (LGW is about 25 minutes drive from Brighton) six paseengers travelled to Heathrow to go to Paris (LHR is the best part of a two hour drive from Biighton) . To get paseengers on a flight to have to have convenient schedules and the right prices in addition to having poterntial passengers in the catchment area.
Vizcaya seems to think that I regard London as the centre of the world. My comments may have been misunderstood so I will clarify them. they are:
1. London is overwhelmingly the largest air transport market in the world. In 2002 LHR/LGW/STN handled well over 105 million pax. New York was 81 million, ATL was 77 million.
2. London is largely an O& D market. By contrast ATL is largely a transfer market.
3. Around 40% of all Europeam flights involve London. It has a natural advantage for air transport because there is something called the English Chamnnel/North Sea which makes surface transport difficult.
4. The great prize in aviation is to get a profitable share of the largest air transport market in the world. Why not? I am sure Poland and Hungary are very attractive destinations for prosperous British people. You only have to look at the stunning success of Prague to see the possibilities. I hope Wizz are successful in earning British currency to take people to Poland. But I have not yet seen any newspaper advertising from them. By contrast Easy, Ryan and Air Berlin all advertise regularly. Easy and Ryan seem to advertise every day.
5. London is a highly competitive market. To get any fair share of it requires professionalism. Put the effort in and the rewards will come through. Fail to put in the effort and the huge and relatively rich market that is London will not know what opportunities there are.
6. The livery of the aircraft is not important in attracting traffic. The attitude of the staff and the ease of using the website are vital.
7.Airlines often fail because they forget that they need passengers to pay good fares all the year round.
8. Please remember that it is not just the destination that matters. There is a very important thing called discretionary spending. Wizz has to get on to that discretionary British spending list. If it does it may do very well. If it does not it will find life to be very tough.
Good luck to them.
Vizcaya seems to think that I regard London as the centre of the world. My comments may have been misunderstood so I will clarify them. they are:
1. London is overwhelmingly the largest air transport market in the world. In 2002 LHR/LGW/STN handled well over 105 million pax. New York was 81 million, ATL was 77 million.
2. London is largely an O& D market. By contrast ATL is largely a transfer market.
3. Around 40% of all Europeam flights involve London. It has a natural advantage for air transport because there is something called the English Chamnnel/North Sea which makes surface transport difficult.
4. The great prize in aviation is to get a profitable share of the largest air transport market in the world. Why not? I am sure Poland and Hungary are very attractive destinations for prosperous British people. You only have to look at the stunning success of Prague to see the possibilities. I hope Wizz are successful in earning British currency to take people to Poland. But I have not yet seen any newspaper advertising from them. By contrast Easy, Ryan and Air Berlin all advertise regularly. Easy and Ryan seem to advertise every day.
5. London is a highly competitive market. To get any fair share of it requires professionalism. Put the effort in and the rewards will come through. Fail to put in the effort and the huge and relatively rich market that is London will not know what opportunities there are.
6. The livery of the aircraft is not important in attracting traffic. The attitude of the staff and the ease of using the website are vital.
7.Airlines often fail because they forget that they need passengers to pay good fares all the year round.
8. Please remember that it is not just the destination that matters. There is a very important thing called discretionary spending. Wizz has to get on to that discretionary British spending list. If it does it may do very well. If it does not it will find life to be very tough.
Good luck to them.
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Now it is becoming more interesting, these are not the worst kind of investors:
Wizz Air Secures Investment from Indigo Partners
Wizz Air, the new European low fare airline announced yesterday that Indigo Partners LLC, a U.S. airline private equity fund, has agreed to invest €20 million in the carrier. The agreement also includes raising an additional €20 million from European private investors.
Indigo Partners was established in late 2002 as a private equity investment vehicle focused on the air transportation industry. Its principals, Bill Franke and Steve Johnson, are experienced in the airline and airline finance sectors and, most recently, were founders of Tiger Airways, a low-cost new-entrant carrier based in Singapore.
Bill Franke said: “We think the Wizz Air low fares model is a long overdue answer to the enormous demand in Hungary and Southern Poland for affordable air travel and will underscore recent Eastern European business and financial successes. The timing of the opportunity couldn’t be better as the key markets that Wizz Air expects to serve enter a new phase of history and become part of the European Union. We are excited about this opportunity.”
Wizz Air based in Budapest, Hungary and Katowice, Poland, begins service May 19. The proposed investment will close by the end of July 2004, assuming all conditions are met.
Wizz Air, the new European low fare airline announced yesterday that Indigo Partners LLC, a U.S. airline private equity fund, has agreed to invest €20 million in the carrier. The agreement also includes raising an additional €20 million from European private investors.
Indigo Partners was established in late 2002 as a private equity investment vehicle focused on the air transportation industry. Its principals, Bill Franke and Steve Johnson, are experienced in the airline and airline finance sectors and, most recently, were founders of Tiger Airways, a low-cost new-entrant carrier based in Singapore.
Bill Franke said: “We think the Wizz Air low fares model is a long overdue answer to the enormous demand in Hungary and Southern Poland for affordable air travel and will underscore recent Eastern European business and financial successes. The timing of the opportunity couldn’t be better as the key markets that Wizz Air expects to serve enter a new phase of history and become part of the European Union. We are excited about this opportunity.”
Wizz Air based in Budapest, Hungary and Katowice, Poland, begins service May 19. The proposed investment will close by the end of July 2004, assuming all conditions are met.
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Per Luton's Website........
Wizz Air lifts off at London Luton Airport 19/05/2004
Wizz Air's new low cost European network commenced operations this morning with the first flights between London Luton Airport and Katowice, Poland.
These inaugural services marked the start of the
latest chapter in the continuing success story of no frills flying at London Luton Airport.
The first flight from Poland arrived on time at London Luton at 07.35 hrs local - and was fully subscribed with every seat on the 180 seat Airbus A320 taken. After a short turn-round the spectacularly-liveried Wizz Air aircraft left on the return leg to Katowice.
On board the first flight to London Luton Airport was József Váradi, founder and CEO of Wizz Air, who said: “In less than a year we have created and launched Wizz Air. Any new airline’s first flight is always special but today’s was even more marked because London Luton is widely recognised as being one of the main airports that helped to put low-cost air travel on the map in Europe.”
Paul Kehoe - Managing Director of London Luton Airport added “A new era for London Luton Airport started this month with the skies over Eastern Europe now fully ‘open for business’ – and today we are absolutely delighted to welcome Wizz Air as our latest partner here”.
“London Luton Airport has always been at the forefront of the low-cost flying revolution and we are confident that our new partnership with Wizz Air will lead to continuing growth in the no-frills market”
“Travellers will be anxious to explore the fantastic business and leisure opportunities offered by Wizz Air’s services from London Luton to Katowice and Budapest – and to sample the airline’s very high levels of comfort, service and convenience.”
Wizz Air lifts off at London Luton Airport 19/05/2004
Wizz Air's new low cost European network commenced operations this morning with the first flights between London Luton Airport and Katowice, Poland.
These inaugural services marked the start of the
latest chapter in the continuing success story of no frills flying at London Luton Airport.
The first flight from Poland arrived on time at London Luton at 07.35 hrs local - and was fully subscribed with every seat on the 180 seat Airbus A320 taken. After a short turn-round the spectacularly-liveried Wizz Air aircraft left on the return leg to Katowice.
On board the first flight to London Luton Airport was József Váradi, founder and CEO of Wizz Air, who said: “In less than a year we have created and launched Wizz Air. Any new airline’s first flight is always special but today’s was even more marked because London Luton is widely recognised as being one of the main airports that helped to put low-cost air travel on the map in Europe.”
Paul Kehoe - Managing Director of London Luton Airport added “A new era for London Luton Airport started this month with the skies over Eastern Europe now fully ‘open for business’ – and today we are absolutely delighted to welcome Wizz Air as our latest partner here”.
“London Luton Airport has always been at the forefront of the low-cost flying revolution and we are confident that our new partnership with Wizz Air will lead to continuing growth in the no-frills market”
“Travellers will be anxious to explore the fantastic business and leisure opportunities offered by Wizz Air’s services from London Luton to Katowice and Budapest – and to sample the airline’s very high levels of comfort, service and convenience.”
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Wizzair have announced that from the 10 August they will commence a twice daily service from Luton to Warsaw and a daily service from Luton to Gdansk. This will bring to seven, the number of daily departures from Luton, the others being twice daily services to Budapest & Katowice.
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WHAT FANTASTIC NEWS!
At a 75% load factor, that is an extra 300,000 passengers over and above thier already announced plans for this year, so Wizzair could by carrying over 600,000 passengers through Luton!
At a 75% load factor, that is an extra 300,000 passengers over and above thier already announced plans for this year, so Wizzair could by carrying over 600,000 passengers through Luton!
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Wizzair looks like being a huge success and a bit of a coup for TBI. They managed to pinch Volareweb from under the BAA's noses (Admitingly the airline has had to scale down it UK ops since), and brought in a new low cost airline serving Poland and Hungary. I am not sure that there is a Lo-Co operating from Poland into Gatwick, there certainly is into Stansted.
The number of new destinations and thier frequencies will see Wizzair bacome one of the major carriers at Luton. Let us hope that the airport's curse on new airlines does not affect Wizz!
Now all we need is an airline to operate Luton to Prague!
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The number of new destinations and thier frequencies will see Wizzair bacome one of the major carriers at Luton. Let us hope that the airport's curse on new airlines does not affect Wizz!
Now all we need is an airline to operate Luton to Prague!
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Why 75%? easyJet only start to make money at 80% and their average load factor last year was 84%. Do you think Wizz have lower costs than easyJet, if so perhaps easyLand will soon relocate.
Why 75%? easyJet only start to make money at 80% and their average load factor last year was 84%. Do you think Wizz have lower costs than easyJet, if so perhaps easyLand will soon relocate.
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I have no idea on loads/yeild/profit, but as a new entrant it will take a while for loads to grow (Possibly not?) so 75% seems a reasonable figure just to calculate roughly the number of additional passengers expected through the tinminal, sorry terminal!
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What a load of xxxx! Try and research your post first!
Stansted has plenty of morning arrival slots to keep thier terminals hungry after the early morning mass Lo-Co departures. Stansted is still operating well under capacity, morning arrivals are a case in point! More to do with Air Polonia at Stansted.
So LTNman why did Wizz not go to Gatwick, an airport that also has morning arrival slots available and it is the UK's second busiest airport and part of the BAA?
TBI and Wizz have done thier homework. Both are David's in a Goliath world. TBI operate a major UK airport without the financial clout of the BAA or Manchester, so I say good luck to TBI and Wizz!
I am sick and tired of folk knocking Luton. 7mppa is not bad for an airport without the BAA's financial clout. Keeping airlines from moving to the BAA must be a massive task, stealing them from under the BAA's noses is brilliant!
Stansted has plenty of morning arrival slots to keep thier terminals hungry after the early morning mass Lo-Co departures. Stansted is still operating well under capacity, morning arrivals are a case in point! More to do with Air Polonia at Stansted.
So LTNman why did Wizz not go to Gatwick, an airport that also has morning arrival slots available and it is the UK's second busiest airport and part of the BAA?
TBI and Wizz have done thier homework. Both are David's in a Goliath world. TBI operate a major UK airport without the financial clout of the BAA or Manchester, so I say good luck to TBI and Wizz!
I am sick and tired of folk knocking Luton. 7mppa is not bad for an airport without the BAA's financial clout. Keeping airlines from moving to the BAA must be a massive task, stealing them from under the BAA's noses is brilliant!
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7mppa and yet it's still a building site with a runway. Has been since the 80's
Stansted has plenty of morning arrival slots to keep thier terminals hungry after the early morning mass Lo-Co departures.