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I just cant believe VLM would be that stupid. They tried it before and failed - If EZJ couldnt make it work on an Airbus - how do they expect to do it on a F50? - and to LCY which is expensive and badly located for most passengers?
CRazy Dutch Courage? or a false rumour?
CRazy Dutch Courage? or a false rumour?
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5 rotations a day does seem a bit ambitious, does the aircraft return to Lennonpool immediately, or go onward to Europe?, with the return service being operated by another aircraft doing the reverse.
I'd take issue with Beyond, yes LCY is expensive, so is every other "London" airport, as for it's location, it couldn't be better for the financial centre or a short trip into Central London.
I suspect that the majority of passengers on this schedule will be people looking for a service that takes them within easy reach of the City of London, rather than interlining onward as you may do from Heathrow, Gatwick or even Stansted.
I'd take issue with Beyond, yes LCY is expensive, so is every other "London" airport, as for it's location, it couldn't be better for the financial centre or a short trip into Central London.
I suspect that the majority of passengers on this schedule will be people looking for a service that takes them within easy reach of the City of London, rather than interlining onward as you may do from Heathrow, Gatwick or even Stansted.
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Great news for Liverpool Airport and this on the back of Air Wales Newcastle, Cardiff & Plymouth routes,also Easyjet Berlin with number eight based a/c, Rumour has it that Ezy No 8 will start a Liverpool-Bilbao route. Just waiting for Emerald Airways to tell us what routes their three Liverpool based, pax ATPs due next month will serve.
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A recent survey by business organisations in the city of Liverpool revealed that the 12 biggest Liverpool based companies book between 36000 and 60000 seats per month to London from Liverpool.
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For the majority of the Liverpool area, it takes around an hour to goto Manchester, to then catch a flight which takes 50 minutes ... effective use of time ... you work it out.
Liverpool is a growing economy, booming, and set for a similar step change with the capital of culture title ... in a similar way to how the commonwealth games changed manchester.
Virgin trains operate an hourly train service to London from Liverpool, all the pre 9AM departures are solely business travel ... as the only tickets available on these services are flexible return, or first class returns. Price range ... £170 - £240 .... this is, without doubt a business market - a fact proved by research, consultation etc etc etc etc.
Now, few quick sums, each train has 10 carriages, each with lets say 80 seats on, by my reckoning that gives (M-F) a total of 16 - 20,000 one way seats per week to London on the first 4/5 trains per day! This is before we even think about those who drive down!
Now, add into the equation a 3 hour (if the gods are smiling) train tride, in a train with possibly no heat, and sitting outside Milton Keyenes cos it's winter and there's a little leaf on the line, then a cramped, uncomfortable smelly tube ride accross london, and suddenly you realise, VLM have not lost it really ... not difficult to fill a few 50 seaterss which whisk these people off at high speed and right to where they want to go. And we've not even talked about the prospect of filling the midday flights with a few more leisure orientated passengers!
I guess a lot of people on here are either mancunians or Southerns, which is great ... but before you all express your antiquated, and blatently wrong views of one of the UK's most misunderstood cities, might I suggest you visit it sometime ... and you'll see why these airlines are set to make a fortune!
Liverpool is a growing economy, booming, and set for a similar step change with the capital of culture title ... in a similar way to how the commonwealth games changed manchester.
Virgin trains operate an hourly train service to London from Liverpool, all the pre 9AM departures are solely business travel ... as the only tickets available on these services are flexible return, or first class returns. Price range ... £170 - £240 .... this is, without doubt a business market - a fact proved by research, consultation etc etc etc etc.
Now, few quick sums, each train has 10 carriages, each with lets say 80 seats on, by my reckoning that gives (M-F) a total of 16 - 20,000 one way seats per week to London on the first 4/5 trains per day! This is before we even think about those who drive down!
Now, add into the equation a 3 hour (if the gods are smiling) train tride, in a train with possibly no heat, and sitting outside Milton Keyenes cos it's winter and there's a little leaf on the line, then a cramped, uncomfortable smelly tube ride accross london, and suddenly you realise, VLM have not lost it really ... not difficult to fill a few 50 seaterss which whisk these people off at high speed and right to where they want to go. And we've not even talked about the prospect of filling the midday flights with a few more leisure orientated passengers!
I guess a lot of people on here are either mancunians or Southerns, which is great ... but before you all express your antiquated, and blatently wrong views of one of the UK's most misunderstood cities, might I suggest you visit it sometime ... and you'll see why these airlines are set to make a fortune!
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Gareth, I used to livein Liverpool!
Several airlines (including VLM) have tried to run a LPL-LON route, and all have failed.
Now, there must be a reason for this - I don't pretend to have the answer myself, but there must be a reason, no?
Several airlines (including VLM) have tried to run a LPL-LON route, and all have failed.
Now, there must be a reason for this - I don't pretend to have the answer myself, but there must be a reason, no?
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VLM might like to start by advertising their service. Their last effort all those years ago was never advertised, not even in the airport, and this effort seems to be going the same way - LPL has not yet made it as a destination on their website!!
Best of luck
Best of luck
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I hope that dwlpl is right, as the absence of air services between Liverpool and London has always struck me as something of an anomaly - you only have to try and get a seat on a Euston-Lime Street train to see that the market clearly exists.
It's a bit of a red herring to think of Manchester and Liverpool in isolation - taken as a whole, the people of the North West and further afield can only benefit from expansion at either Ringway or Speke.
That's got to be a good thing!
It's a bit of a red herring to think of Manchester and Liverpool in isolation - taken as a whole, the people of the North West and further afield can only benefit from expansion at either Ringway or Speke.
That's got to be a good thing!
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A VLM F50 was due in from Rotterdam at 11 and there has been something on the NW news about the LCY service. So an announcement this afternoon hopefully!
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For whoever said 'it's not even on LPL's website yet' that would be because it was only announced about an hour ago!
VLM 5 x daily service (plus 1 x sat, and 2 x sun) into LCY.
The service will work, like it has been said time and time before ... the market at both ends of the route is vastly different to 1994 ... like those who call Liverpool the city ... read and learn the facts before you made half cut, judgements!
VLM 5 x daily service (plus 1 x sat, and 2 x sun) into LCY.
The service will work, like it has been said time and time before ... the market at both ends of the route is vastly different to 1994 ... like those who call Liverpool the city ... read and learn the facts before you made half cut, judgements!