CitiExpress to axe IOM flights? (Merged)
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Here we go again
It basically said......
A rumour for someone to confirm or deny.....that, allegedly, a certain person who has been known to fly ATP and E145....has allocated himself a place on a BA46 course/refresher in order that he can remain 'based' in the Isle of Man for tax purposes.
I do hope it is untrue because at least he has a job and to have himself put on the IOM establishment just for tax purposes when the jobs of people based here are so uncertain at the moment is about as low as BaCx management could get.
Dont narrow it down so much. Cheers Hogg
A rumour for someone to confirm or deny.....that, allegedly, a certain person who has been known to fly ATP and E145....has allocated himself a place on a BA46 course/refresher in order that he can remain 'based' in the Isle of Man for tax purposes.
I do hope it is untrue because at least he has a job and to have himself put on the IOM establishment just for tax purposes when the jobs of people based here are so uncertain at the moment is about as low as BaCx management could get.
Dont narrow it down so much. Cheers Hogg
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As I was trying to solve a question for one of my mod colleagues as to where a post went. I thought I would just explain where the This is a Crisis post did go. Apparently about a BAe 146 driver whose name was given - with some abuse!
The short answer is that it was being removed to the Admin sin bin! Because we do not allow the naming of names, and we especially do not like abuse.
(Just as I was about to post I noted that TIAC re-posted). Well no names and no abuse. Maybe he read my mind
The short answer is that it was being removed to the Admin sin bin! Because we do not allow the naming of names, and we especially do not like abuse.
(Just as I was about to post I noted that TIAC re-posted). Well no names and no abuse. Maybe he read my mind
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I wish to point out I did not name any names in my original post as those who saw it will testify!!!! and I take great exception to the allegation I did. Furthermore there was nothing abusive in my post... I was merely relaying something I had learnt from a source close to the company. If it is true i think the IOM based crews have a right to know about it.
I still maintain that as I did not name any names or say anything abusive my post must have been removed for other, more sinister reasons.
I still maintain that as I did not name any names or say anything abusive my post must have been removed for other, more sinister reasons.
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With regard to GLA/EDI - BHD, have it on good authority that these may well be taken over by Loganair when BACX ditch them - Loganair already operate a few NI routes and, of course, operated from BHD until BRAL/BACX took the routes over - good luck to Loganair if this is true (don't celebrate just yet Glynn - Kayes)
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Can you tell me is Loganair a BA franchaisse, is it still an independant company or does BA have a share holding within it. It certainly operated as a franchaisse someyears ago.
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It is certainly a BA franchise though believe its independantly owned. Wonder what aircraft type they would operate on GLA/EDI - BHD. The other ATP routes in Scotland are ABZ-LSI and GLA-ABZ/BEB/SYY. I think its a total of 5 ATPs based in Scotland.
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Loganair was part of BRAL from Oct 96 to Mar 97 when it became independent again following a management buyout led by Scott Grier OBE - this is still the current position as far as I am aware. They are still a BA franchisee operating in BA livery.
I assume the a/c type to be used would be Saab 340s as presumably the Islanders & Twin Otters are mostly used on inter island & air ambulance services & the single 360 on cargo/freight duties.
I assume the a/c type to be used would be Saab 340s as presumably the Islanders & Twin Otters are mostly used on inter island & air ambulance services & the single 360 on cargo/freight duties.
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The Shorts 360 (G-BPFN) went to Aurigny a few months ago, and interestingly, at BAs request, Loganair are having to repaint the entire Islander fleet into their own colours, whilst still allowing BA to market the flights they operate on. Image problems I gather!
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Hi from the Rock,
BACX is grounding all it's ATP's by 31 March 2004. The Dash 8's are due for return in 2005 unless a buyer can be found before then.
Eastern are taking over ground handling of all BACX flights (LGW, LTN & MAN) wef 1 April 2004 (Quite an apt date!)
They will also handle Loganair and whoever else is stupid enough to want them to.
63 staff are being made redundant and they will then have to apply to Eastern to get their old job back - on a reduced pay scale and less benefits no doubt!
BACX's Mr Evans sees this as "A neccessary step in ensuring the survival of the comapny" ie getting rid of the dross they didn't really want when they went after the Heathrow slots.
We predicted this 3 years ago, and so far its all coming true. He says Engineering is going to expand, but if you believe anything they say now, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
BACX is grounding all it's ATP's by 31 March 2004. The Dash 8's are due for return in 2005 unless a buyer can be found before then.
Eastern are taking over ground handling of all BACX flights (LGW, LTN & MAN) wef 1 April 2004 (Quite an apt date!)
They will also handle Loganair and whoever else is stupid enough to want them to.
63 staff are being made redundant and they will then have to apply to Eastern to get their old job back - on a reduced pay scale and less benefits no doubt!
BACX's Mr Evans sees this as "A neccessary step in ensuring the survival of the comapny" ie getting rid of the dross they didn't really want when they went after the Heathrow slots.
We predicted this 3 years ago, and so far its all coming true. He says Engineering is going to expand, but if you believe anything they say now, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
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Sorry, I didn't make that very clear. Eastern are taking over the ground handling of all BA flights on the Isle of man, not at MAN.
Hopefully they will employ the people BA are dumping, but we wait to see.
Hopefully they will employ the people BA are dumping, but we wait to see.
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According to the Loganair Press Release, BACX will continue to operate the routes on behalf of them until March 2005 with ATPs
Five additional aircraft (but not specified as all ATPs) and due to be replaced within the year.
The agreement means that Loganair will now operate all of the internal Scottish routes currently served by BA CitiExpress. Loganair, which currently operates on 33 routes with a fleet of 15 aircraft, operates a franchise partnership with British Airways. That agreement was renewed for a 5-year period earlier this year. The company is headquartered at Glasgow Airport and has a payroll of 210.
Today's agreement - which will see the company lease five additional aircraft - also extends the Scottish external network, which already includes Derry, Cork and Manchester, to include Belfast and the Isle of Man.
The seven routes acquired today from British Airways CitiExpress are Glasgow - Stornoway; Glasgow - Benbecula; Glasgow - Belfast; Glasgow - Isle of Man; Glasgow - Aberdeen; Aberdeen - Shetland and Edinburgh-Belfast.
Loganair will take over the new routes from March 1 next year and, for a 12-month period so as to maintain continuity, will operate with BA aircraft and crews. Meanwhile, Loganair is evaluating various aircraft types to select a replacement for the BAe ATP aircraft currently in use.
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According to the Loganair Press Release, BACX will continue to operate the routes on behalf of them until March 2005 with ATPs
Five additional aircraft (but not specified as all ATPs) and due to be replaced within the year.
The agreement means that Loganair will now operate all of the internal Scottish routes currently served by BA CitiExpress. Loganair, which currently operates on 33 routes with a fleet of 15 aircraft, operates a franchise partnership with British Airways. That agreement was renewed for a 5-year period earlier this year. The company is headquartered at Glasgow Airport and has a payroll of 210.
Today's agreement - which will see the company lease five additional aircraft - also extends the Scottish external network, which already includes Derry, Cork and Manchester, to include Belfast and the Isle of Man.
The seven routes acquired today from British Airways CitiExpress are Glasgow - Stornoway; Glasgow - Benbecula; Glasgow - Belfast; Glasgow - Isle of Man; Glasgow - Aberdeen; Aberdeen - Shetland and Edinburgh-Belfast.
Loganair will take over the new routes from March 1 next year and, for a 12-month period so as to maintain continuity, will operate with BA aircraft and crews. Meanwhile, Loganair is evaluating various aircraft types to select a replacement for the BAe ATP aircraft currently in use.
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More spin from BACitiExpress
If anyone watched BBC North West Tonght news programme tonight they would have wondered what all the fuss was about with BACitiExpress. How could anyone suggest that they were pulling out of the IOM? Quite the contrary, according to the report, they are safeguarding 300 engieering jobs on the Island. Do the power that be suffer from short term memory loss? No mention of the numerous redundancies!!!!!!
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Isn't the main Citiexpress engineering base at GLA? If so why are they keeping the IOM engineering base open for just 2 or 3 flights? Is the GLA one closing, or are they just going to be making better use of the IOM facility?
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No names - no pack drill.........
So to clarify - we have one Chief Pilot conveniently switching types to ensure his basing on the IOM remains unchanged, whilst 20 odd line pilots are uprooted. Of course, we had another Chief Pilot who relocated to the mainland recently, but unwisely admitted off the record he had 'negotiated' a large salary increment to make up for his tax loss. Of course, when asked officially he decided (not to deny it, but...) to decline to comment. We have a third Chief Pilot already talking about his triple 7 course back with "Platinum BA" as opposed to we 'plastic' types. 
Apart from the surprise that an outfit our size NEEDS three Chief Pilots, you begin to appreciate why we have cost overruns. Oh, and then there is the Fleet Manager, ex Flight Engineer, good type but no P1 experience to speak of doing a TRE course, in spite of the fact his fleet is marked for disposal this year. There's also the Training Manager type, currently on the ATP who has managed to jump many places on the RJ allocation list in spite of mysteriously having no bid for the same. Funnily enough, he has produced a letter pre-dated from a previous Ops Manager 'promising' him such a job. The rats are swarming up the mast of the sinking ship!!!
The company's route structure is being carved up and disposed of piecemeal. Those of us who have been here a while are in despair. No-one believes ANYTHING they are told, unless it originates in the Highlife magazine, or comes from the refuellers.
Watch Eastern Airlines very carefully chaps!
Apart from the surprise that an outfit our size NEEDS three Chief Pilots, you begin to appreciate why we have cost overruns. Oh, and then there is the Fleet Manager, ex Flight Engineer, good type but no P1 experience to speak of doing a TRE course, in spite of the fact his fleet is marked for disposal this year. There's also the Training Manager type, currently on the ATP who has managed to jump many places on the RJ allocation list in spite of mysteriously having no bid for the same. Funnily enough, he has produced a letter pre-dated from a previous Ops Manager 'promising' him such a job. The rats are swarming up the mast of the sinking ship!!!The company's route structure is being carved up and disposed of piecemeal. Those of us who have been here a while are in despair. No-one believes ANYTHING they are told, unless it originates in the Highlife magazine, or comes from the refuellers.
Watch Eastern Airlines very carefully chaps!
