NOW Aircraft...anyone know where they are?
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JMC-Man
I watched this thread from a distance and can therefore offer an abstract view on the nature of it and the obvious trends.
Firstly your inputs and your willingness to take to task, the clearly un-informed is boardering on the obsessional. Or is it, maybe there is a more sinister motive for the negative pictures you so eagerly paint of NOW?
I note that 12800 people have viewed this topic and 160 people have replied (alot of it somewhat inane). That's not too bad an audience if your objective is the elimination of what might be considered to be a business threat.
Low cost is a high risk sector of the market and casualties have already been taken, Buzz, Go. A sure way to survive in this sector is monopoly and paradoxically this is anathema as far as the ethos of low cost travel is concerned. EZY and Ryan have all been dusting off their cheque books in order to create one, will it all end in tears, MYT lite, Baby??? Ummm.
Now as for your good self, and irrespective of your motives, be very careful in what you publish regarding the senior management of Now. Accusing them of being criminally naive and of committing business suicide may be construed as being libellous. Don't tread into the bad lands of the litigeous or you may be joing the rest of us Big Issue sellers , resting between jobs.
How can you possibly make such a statement 
Would you kindly furnish us with the evidence to support such a claim. As you are clearly very well informed as to the start up affairs of Now, will you please publish their business plan, cash flow analysis projections, bank guarantees, investment strategy, investor names and financial gearing.
We'd all like to see this in order to convince us that you have been right all along.
Many thanks
FEBA
I watched this thread from a distance and can therefore offer an abstract view on the nature of it and the obvious trends.
Firstly your inputs and your willingness to take to task, the clearly un-informed is boardering on the obsessional. Or is it, maybe there is a more sinister motive for the negative pictures you so eagerly paint of NOW?
I note that 12800 people have viewed this topic and 160 people have replied (alot of it somewhat inane). That's not too bad an audience if your objective is the elimination of what might be considered to be a business threat.
Low cost is a high risk sector of the market and casualties have already been taken, Buzz, Go. A sure way to survive in this sector is monopoly and paradoxically this is anathema as far as the ethos of low cost travel is concerned. EZY and Ryan have all been dusting off their cheque books in order to create one, will it all end in tears, MYT lite, Baby??? Ummm.
Now as for your good self, and irrespective of your motives, be very careful in what you publish regarding the senior management of Now. Accusing them of being criminally naive and of committing business suicide may be construed as being libellous. Don't tread into the bad lands of the litigeous or you may be joing the rest of us Big Issue sellers , resting between jobs.
I guarantee that the various "Interim " executives were getting paid up front, and all have other things they do anyway.
Would you kindly furnish us with the evidence to support such a claim. As you are clearly very well informed as to the start up affairs of Now, will you please publish their business plan, cash flow analysis projections, bank guarantees, investment strategy, investor names and financial gearing.
We'd all like to see this in order to convince us that you have been right all along.
Many thanks
FEBA
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FEBA,
Interesting post.
I don't have to prove or supply evidence for anything I say. It's the joy of an anonymous forum. People can believe or disbelieve, it doesn't bother me, really.
However, the proof of the pudding, as they say, is in the eating. My views on the viability of NOW were clear from last July or thereabouts. But they were, at the end of the day, just my views.
Recent events suggest I have not been too far away from the truth, but only time will really tell.
However, I am happy to edit my post, as it appears to concern you, on the basis that I can't openly supply my sources.
Interesting post.
I don't have to prove or supply evidence for anything I say. It's the joy of an anonymous forum. People can believe or disbelieve, it doesn't bother me, really.
However, the proof of the pudding, as they say, is in the eating. My views on the viability of NOW were clear from last July or thereabouts. But they were, at the end of the day, just my views.
Recent events suggest I have not been too far away from the truth, but only time will really tell.
However, I am happy to edit my post, as it appears to concern you, on the basis that I can't openly supply my sources.
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I'm sorry but I can't accept this
Actually you do. If you don't and hide behind a cloak of anonymity then your intent will be constured as being malicious or perhaps you are just maladroit?
Since your are unable to support your claims and accusations with any evidence, then I must conclude that all of your posts are merely 'smoke and mirrors' and should not be taken seriously by any of your readers.
Merry Christmas
Regards
FEBA
I'm sorry but I can't accept this
I don't have to prove or supply evidence for anything I say. It's the joy of an anonymous forum. People can believe or disbelieve, it doesn't bother me, really.
Since your are unable to support your claims and accusations with any evidence, then I must conclude that all of your posts are merely 'smoke and mirrors' and should not be taken seriously by any of your readers.
Merry Christmas
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FEBA
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Exactly that. Unless of course things I suggest come to pass, in which case my "readers" as you put it can decide whether what I was saying was really "smoke and mirrors".
Strangely enough the same could be said of NOW, as they are unable to support their "Claims" and provide little "evidence" .
Yes, I like the term "smoke and mirrors". Very apt.
Since your are unable to support your claims and accusations with any evidence, then I must conclude that all of your posts are merely 'smoke and mirrors' and should not be taken seriously by any of your readers.
Exactly that. Unless of course things I suggest come to pass, in which case my "readers" as you put it can decide whether what I was saying was really "smoke and mirrors".
Strangely enough the same could be said of NOW, as they are unable to support their "Claims" and provide little "evidence" .
Yes, I like the term "smoke and mirrors". Very apt.
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Sorry buddy you are just going to have to.
This is a rumours network to be taken with a pinch of salt. You are the one making a big deal out of this issue. If you stand to be prosecuted for be libellous does that not take away your freedom of being anonymous and having your say. Making statements like that then invalidates pprune.
We all have our own minds and can make judgements and decisions for ourselves. As JMC-MAN says 'Proof of the pudding is in the eating'. He is not the one to prove whether NOW are legitimate or not, NOW are! And not just to the industry but to there staff who they have just laid off before Christmas.
So maybe think twice on what your posting, and try not be so anal.
I'm sorry but I can't accept this
This is a rumours network to be taken with a pinch of salt. You are the one making a big deal out of this issue. If you stand to be prosecuted for be libellous does that not take away your freedom of being anonymous and having your say. Making statements like that then invalidates pprune.
We all have our own minds and can make judgements and decisions for ourselves. As JMC-MAN says 'Proof of the pudding is in the eating'. He is not the one to prove whether NOW are legitimate or not, NOW are! And not just to the industry but to there staff who they have just laid off before Christmas.
So maybe think twice on what your posting, and try not be so anal.
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You must be familiar with proctology. Thanks for the anal advice, although I haven't a clue what it means.
Rumours, upon which this site owes its creation, are based on the premise that 'there's no smoke without fire', whereas you seem to support those that would 'dabble or play with fire'.
In this case statements have to be backed with evidence, otherwise you cannot complain if I and others wish to treat them with the same contempt as something we accidently trod in.
The scatological connection was not intentional by the way.
Cheers
FEBA
You must be familiar with proctology. Thanks for the anal advice, although I haven't a clue what it means.
Rumours, upon which this site owes its creation, are based on the premise that 'there's no smoke without fire', whereas you seem to support those that would 'dabble or play with fire'.
In this case statements have to be backed with evidence, otherwise you cannot complain if I and others wish to treat them with the same contempt as something we accidently trod in.
The scatological connection was not intentional by the way.
Cheers
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Seems we have another annoying person FEBA to join FLYMATE. Jmc-man has written some excellent posts, which have made good reading and he has been spot on as far as I am concerned, his main concern is for the staff who have been drawn into the charade known as NOW airlines and who are now looking for other jobs a week away from christmas
Why dont you and Flymate get together and go for a drink instead of posting because you both bore me senseless...the facts are there for all to see.............
Why dont you and Flymate get together and go for a drink instead of posting because you both bore me senseless...the facts are there for all to see.............
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Thanks Hawk.
Thanks Hawk.
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On a conciliatry note, I've enjoyed the debate and still hold true to my belief that NOW will get airborne. It has been intriguing to read all the comments, some of which have been quite funny to read.
So we wait and see what 2004 holds for us. Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year to one and all.
So we wait and see what 2004 holds for us. Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year to one and all.
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FEBA ,
It is not only isis you bore with your comments!
Perhaps you ought not to post on a topic that is of no interest/concern/relevance to you!(?)
Maybe it would be better if you restricted your pontificating and ramblings to your Mess Hall!(?)
Many good people, pilots, crew, operators...friends and families have been affected by this farce that was NOW - or indeed NEVER!
Like many others before you your attacks on
jmc-man are totally unjustified - throughout this unhappy long ongoing saga he has remained the most eloquent AND knowledgeable poster on this thread - and indeed everything he has said has come to pass!
Not sure who you think you are impressing with your use of long and unfamiliar (to most) words - "proctology" and "scatological" but if anybody needs proctology...........
Take 10 out 10 for completely missing the point of mad-dog 's post - I think (note: nothing libellous about thinking ) he was (politely) trying to say, "XXXXXXXXXX
I doubt he is alone in holding that view!(?)
Of course I could be wrong.
Get a grip Lads. Thunor please keep comments like that off this board. Hogg
It is not only isis you bore with your comments!
Perhaps you ought not to post on a topic that is of no interest/concern/relevance to you!(?)
Maybe it would be better if you restricted your pontificating and ramblings to your Mess Hall!(?)
Many good people, pilots, crew, operators...friends and families have been affected by this farce that was NOW - or indeed NEVER!
Like many others before you your attacks on
jmc-man are totally unjustified - throughout this unhappy long ongoing saga he has remained the most eloquent AND knowledgeable poster on this thread - and indeed everything he has said has come to pass!
Not sure who you think you are impressing with your use of long and unfamiliar (to most) words - "proctology" and "scatological" but if anybody needs proctology...........
Take 10 out 10 for completely missing the point of mad-dog 's post - I think (note: nothing libellous about thinking ) he was (politely) trying to say, "XXXXXXXXXX
I doubt he is alone in holding that view!(?)
Of course I could be wrong.
Get a grip Lads. Thunor please keep comments like that off this board. Hogg
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Thunor
You are and extremely rude too. What do you know of my interest in NOW. 
Make your judgements by the facts as supported by evidence. I haven't seen any on this thread.
Thank you for your comments
FEBA
Of course I could be wrong
Make your judgements by the facts as supported by evidence. I haven't seen any on this thread.
Thank you for your comments
FEBA
