Jet2 - where next?
Capital at LTN
In October 1989, BZ were operating 3 DUB flights on weekdays with 146s and 1 with SH36, also 2 BHD with SH36 and 1 with 146. The SH36 night-stopped in DUB (or at least, didn't return to LTN). The 146 left for BHD at 1740G and returned at 0810G.
I feel sure they operated to/from LBA on a 'fare-paying positioning flight, but I can't find the details.
Incidentally, they were competing with 4 daily FR 1-11s to DUB and two BY732s to BFS.
In October 1989, BZ were operating 3 DUB flights on weekdays with 146s and 1 with SH36, also 2 BHD with SH36 and 1 with 146. The SH36 night-stopped in DUB (or at least, didn't return to LTN). The 146 left for BHD at 1740G and returned at 0810G.
I feel sure they operated to/from LBA on a 'fare-paying positioning flight, but I can't find the details.
Incidentally, they were competing with 4 daily FR 1-11s to DUB and two BY732s to BFS.
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The word is that all the crew are at a big bash tonight, they are going to be told about the plans for the future before the big official announcement tommorow.
My guess is:-
1..pmi, alc and agp to increase frequency to twice daily
2..fao, nce and prg daily
3..a london route, probably stn
4..a german route, fra or berlin?
5..a paris route, probably orly daily
6..extra rotation around weekend for ams and if popular bfs
7..bgy only a couple of days a week
8.. venice, murcia, rome, ath and a scandinavian route with low frequency to test the waters for S2005.
Anyone got any others?
Any crew want to break the news early?
My guess is:-
1..pmi, alc and agp to increase frequency to twice daily
2..fao, nce and prg daily
3..a london route, probably stn
4..a german route, fra or berlin?
5..a paris route, probably orly daily
6..extra rotation around weekend for ams and if popular bfs
7..bgy only a couple of days a week
8.. venice, murcia, rome, ath and a scandinavian route with low frequency to test the waters for S2005.
Anyone got any others?
Any crew want to break the news early?
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In thier final throws, Capital did operate a Leeds-Luton service feeding thier 146 from night charter work from Leeds and sched maint. Arrived at Luton 07:30ish and dep to Leeds at around 22:00ish.......
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According to BBC Look North it's Venice and Murcia. Looking at the website, trying to peer around the side of the bird in the bikini, it would appear that Venice is a straight swap for "Milan". Not quite the loco bunfeast that a lot of people were anticipating.
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They did Nice for Summer 03 so I don't think it can be counted as a "New" route, granted it's not being dropped like Bergamo.
So I suppose the debate as to what they're going to do with all their a/c remains. Here's the plan for summer 04:-
Summer 2004 destinations
Alicante – increased from four services per week to a daily service
Amsterdam – Twice daily service continues (Once daily Sat & Sun)
Barcelona – Daily Service continues
Belfast – Twice Daily service (Once daily Sat & Sun)
Faro – Increased from 2 x weekly service to 4 x weekly service
Palma – Daily Service
Prague – Increased from 4 x weekly service to Daily
Malaga – Daily service with twice daily services added during school summer holiday periods
Murcia – New destination – 3 x weekly service
Nice – Increased from 3 x weekly service to daily
Venice – New destination – 4 x weekly service
And another (sixth) 733 to be added to the fleet
So I suppose the debate as to what they're going to do with all their a/c remains. Here's the plan for summer 04:-
Summer 2004 destinations
Alicante – increased from four services per week to a daily service
Amsterdam – Twice daily service continues (Once daily Sat & Sun)
Barcelona – Daily Service continues
Belfast – Twice Daily service (Once daily Sat & Sun)
Faro – Increased from 2 x weekly service to 4 x weekly service
Palma – Daily Service
Prague – Increased from 4 x weekly service to Daily
Malaga – Daily service with twice daily services added during school summer holiday periods
Murcia – New destination – 3 x weekly service
Nice – Increased from 3 x weekly service to daily
Venice – New destination – 4 x weekly service
And another (sixth) 733 to be added to the fleet
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All good stuff and very sensible growth. Shame though I was hoping for a Paris or Frankfurt but I guess slots are the problem here. Would have thought an Orly would have been an option, but maybe Jet2 heard that BMIBaby were looking at it. Still looking at FC's list there is still room for further expansion given 6 LBA based machines. Question is where are they going to put them all? LBA has 17 stands.
6 x Jet2 737
4 x BMI 135/145
2 x EZE J31/41
1 x BMI F100/A319
1 x KLM F100
1 x BY 757/767
1 x MYT 757/A320/A321
Therefore 1 empty stand so where do you put the early morning FlyBE Q400 and RYR 737 when the deicers pack in!
Just a thought!
6 x Jet2 737
4 x BMI 135/145
2 x EZE J31/41
1 x BMI F100/A319
1 x KLM F100
1 x BY 757/767
1 x MYT 757/A320/A321
Therefore 1 empty stand so where do you put the early morning FlyBE Q400 and RYR 737 when the deicers pack in!
Just a thought!
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Will not be a problem when man with JCB starts on the grass to the East of `C` and it will mean the end of 09/27 except during the day when everything is away flying so the boys on the South side won't be upset, then again its closed at the minute anyways so it a good job the wind is down 32 for a change. On the routes front (Jet2) I can only think that this is part `A` as its still not a lot of usage for 6 733?
Will not be a problem when man with JCB starts on the grass to the East of `C` and it will mean the end of 09/27 except during the day when everything is away flying so the boys on the South side won't be upset, then again its closed at the minute anyways so it a good job the wind is down 32 for a change. On the routes front (Jet2) I can only think that this is part `A` as its still not a lot of usage for 6 733?
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Not sure on the timetable, but a bit of `compo`will sort the frost out! What with the work on the "new" temp: terminal (a tent?!) a new (mini) hotel being built over the road and the road works at the front it seems the least of their worries is winter, well judging by this weeks de-ice farce!!
The work on the South side is nearly finished and the old Yorkshire Light hangar is looking impressive, just goes to show you can put lip stick on a pig!!
The bird on the jet2 website doesn't need any tarting up, wonder if she's one of their hosties, perhaps i should have applied after all!!
Not sure on the timetable, but a bit of `compo`will sort the frost out! What with the work on the "new" temp: terminal (a tent?!) a new (mini) hotel being built over the road and the road works at the front it seems the least of their worries is winter, well judging by this weeks de-ice farce!!
The work on the South side is nearly finished and the old Yorkshire Light hangar is looking impressive, just goes to show you can put lip stick on a pig!!
The bird on the jet2 website doesn't need any tarting up, wonder if she's one of their hosties, perhaps i should have applied after all!!
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Orly
Hooded - there is more chance of a snowball in hell than Jet 2 getting slots at Orly - you've only got to think about all the hassle EZY have had trying to establish a base there!
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I realise it's sad knowing this but Capitals flights were
BZ751 dep Leeds 0655 arr Luton 0740
BZ752 dep Luton 2030 arr Leeds 2116
I recall that on at least one of the Shorts they had a big advert for the Luton service pasted up at the front of the cabin.
With regard to the query re Capital's 146 to the Med, I did this once-Intasun package-and distinctly remember the disappointing catering. I think most passengers had been execting some form of hot meal on the evening return flight and all they got was coffee and biscuits.
BZ751 dep Leeds 0655 arr Luton 0740
BZ752 dep Luton 2030 arr Leeds 2116
I recall that on at least one of the Shorts they had a big advert for the Luton service pasted up at the front of the cabin.
With regard to the query re Capital's 146 to the Med, I did this once-Intasun package-and distinctly remember the disappointing catering. I think most passengers had been execting some form of hot meal on the evening return flight and all they got was coffee and biscuits.
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Ref compertition with JET2 v BMI
BMI look set to start a head-to-head battle with JET2
They're slashing the LBA-LHR prices, Servisair have WON a major contract with BMI to supply a new dimond lounge, to be doubled in size over the next month or so. Why the investment???
They're slashing the LBA-LHR prices, Servisair have WON a major contract with BMI to supply a new dimond lounge, to be doubled in size over the next month or so. Why the investment???
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Head to head battle? How so?
That would signify that Jet2 competes with Bmi on the LBA-LHR route, which it clearly does'nt. Bmi is not in a battle with Jet2 in ANY way.
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Mike
That would signify that Jet2 competes with Bmi on the LBA-LHR route, which it clearly does'nt. Bmi is not in a battle with Jet2 in ANY way.
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The old lounge wasn't big enough to swing a cat and you'd needed to be a silver or gold card holder to get in there.So if you've bought a business ticket you have to sit in gate 11 with everyone else looking at a cafe thats never open.
If they are opening a new lounge that will allow all C class cutomer access then i think it will help get more people to sit forward of the curtain, which at Leeds used to be an hell of a lot plus with the Bus coming sometime in the new year that should help.
As for Jet2 they are at this time having no negative effect on bmi in fact the opposite, as a lot of new people flying from Leeds (with Jet2) are discovering that bmi have quite a good route net work with (at times!) some very good fares.
When Jet2 first advertised that it intended to operate from Leeds, it ask the good folk of Yorkshire where they wanted to travel to, and many replied "Paris" unaware that bmi have been going there for years but, bmi been bmi never told anyone.
Still it will test the resolve of the poor old Glasgow paxs to endure the ATR of Titan for the next 5 weeks due to heavy maintenance on the ERJ's
If they are opening a new lounge that will allow all C class cutomer access then i think it will help get more people to sit forward of the curtain, which at Leeds used to be an hell of a lot plus with the Bus coming sometime in the new year that should help.
As for Jet2 they are at this time having no negative effect on bmi in fact the opposite, as a lot of new people flying from Leeds (with Jet2) are discovering that bmi have quite a good route net work with (at times!) some very good fares.
When Jet2 first advertised that it intended to operate from Leeds, it ask the good folk of Yorkshire where they wanted to travel to, and many replied "Paris" unaware that bmi have been going there for years but, bmi been bmi never told anyone.
Still it will test the resolve of the poor old Glasgow paxs to endure the ATR of Titan for the next 5 weeks due to heavy maintenance on the ERJ's
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Do you really think that LBA will remove the grass to the East of the C holding point? Too much money they will just suck it and see. Runway 27 would be obsolete if they did. Could use 01/19 but only in the 19 direction ensuring that the light stuff lands past the apron and only if certain stands are free. Only joking about 01/19. If LBA finds that there is not enough room to park all the aircraft then I think they will use temporary stands just like the new temporary check in facilities for Jet2. This is what they call "Reactive Management" and not "Proactive". In the end it costs companies more money which is shortsighted. I can only think that some people can only see 6 months ahead and not what they could do for the whole yorkshire region for the future. You learn a lot from hindsight but good foresight is where the money is made. I bet that LBA will always be catching up with the airlines and thier requirements rather than looking ahead to see what they may need. I remember seeing a press release regarding low cost airlines and it said that LBA do not want to use these companies, now they are saying that it is the best thing that has ever happened. As I said "FORESIGHT", LBA could have done this years ago.