lo-cost carriers and coventry
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I hope it happens, at the moment it's a slightly better bet than the new airport at Rugby being built. 
But where would the funding for all the improvements and new buildings etc come from?
Anyone can draw pretty pictures of terminal buildings and waffle on about low cost carriers, but if theres one thing the Air Alantique Group are well known for, its having short arms and deep pockets when it comes to dishing out cash for anything.
But where would the funding for all the improvements and new buildings etc come from?
Anyone can draw pretty pictures of terminal buildings and waffle on about low cost carriers, but if theres one thing the Air Alantique Group are well known for, its having short arms and deep pockets when it comes to dishing out cash for anything.
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As a great fan of travelling from my local airports, rather than one in the South Esat of England, I welcome any improvement to Coventry. It can be low cost - although the FlyBe approach also seems a strong alternative - provided they are able to take me where I want to go.
From memory, Cosford must be limited as a viable option. Isn't there an elevated railway line at one end of the runway and a trunk road at the other? Also, having never handled any kind of civilian traffic, I would predict the need for a massive investment in the basic infrastructure before any commercial activities could start.
And as for Halfpenny Green. Not even worth discussing.
From memory, Cosford must be limited as a viable option. Isn't there an elevated railway line at one end of the runway and a trunk road at the other? Also, having never handled any kind of civilian traffic, I would predict the need for a massive investment in the basic infrastructure before any commercial activities could start.
And as for Halfpenny Green. Not even worth discussing.
Wee Weasley Welshman:
It's a while since I last flew from Cosford but I seem to remember that the runway is just a tad over 1100 metres long and it is hard to see just how you could make it any longer.
It's a while since I last flew from Cosford but I seem to remember that the runway is just a tad over 1100 metres long and it is hard to see just how you could make it any longer.
3891ft runway. Yes, thats the snag for sure.
There is a recent study online done into the viability of Cosford for commercial ops. It gives it the thumbs down (conclusions below):
http://www.advantagewm.co.uk/West%20...l%20Report.doc
4.1 In our opinion on the basis of the work we have done on this study a market exists in the west of the region for limited air services to UK destinations and near Europe using “Commuter” type quiet twin engined turbo prop aircraft typically seating 40 to 50 passengers.
4.2 Developing RAF Cosford for commercial air services is not an option at the current time.
4.3 Wolverhampton Business Airport is subject to a number of constraints and at present cannot satisfy current identified demand.
Cheers
WWW
There is a recent study online done into the viability of Cosford for commercial ops. It gives it the thumbs down (conclusions below):
http://www.advantagewm.co.uk/West%20...l%20Report.doc
4.1 In our opinion on the basis of the work we have done on this study a market exists in the west of the region for limited air services to UK destinations and near Europe using “Commuter” type quiet twin engined turbo prop aircraft typically seating 40 to 50 passengers.
4.2 Developing RAF Cosford for commercial air services is not an option at the current time.
4.3 Wolverhampton Business Airport is subject to a number of constraints and at present cannot satisfy current identified demand.
Cheers
WWW
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Surrounded, and 3 years too late.
MTL & RYR Etc at Brum.
EZY and Baby at East Midlands.
EZY, RYR etc at Luton.
How to waste money, launch a new lo-co from CVT. The runway length precludes a lot of destinations.
TUI need thier heads examining!
MTL & RYR Etc at Brum.
EZY and Baby at East Midlands.
EZY, RYR etc at Luton.
How to waste money, launch a new lo-co from CVT. The runway length precludes a lot of destinations.
TUI need thier heads examining!
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Monday September 15, 05:34 PM
TUI to enter UK low-cost airline business
FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Europe's largest travel firm TUI (Xetra: 695200.DE - news) has said it is expanding its airline business in Britain by adding low-cost flights to its current charter business.
The company said it would use its Britannia charter airline as the basis for expansion, which would include classic point-to-point flights from Britain to holiday destinations from the summer of 2004.
The company said it would add two planes to its British business from the summer of 2004.
TUI to enter UK low-cost airline business
FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Europe's largest travel firm TUI (Xetra: 695200.DE - news) has said it is expanding its airline business in Britain by adding low-cost flights to its current charter business.
The company said it would use its Britannia charter airline as the basis for expansion, which would include classic point-to-point flights from Britain to holiday destinations from the summer of 2004.
The company said it would add two planes to its British business from the summer of 2004.
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Ah Buster... think a little further...
Who's TUI's favourite UK competitor that still just about has a share price, and runs a lo-co from BHX?
Nothing like kicking someone when they're down!!!
The 'gen' is good, believe me!
Who's TUI's favourite UK competitor that still just about has a share price, and runs a lo-co from BHX?
Nothing like kicking someone when they're down!!!
The 'gen' is good, believe me!
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Buster the bear, I operated the LTN_BFS on the B757 so your statement saying the 737-200 went so the BFS route went is not valid. As for CVT as lo-cost for Britannia, well good luck to them...LTN is now full and Britannia never supported it's home base very much as we see orange and yellow all over the place now and not Britannia blue...
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CVT's runway is just 1825M, I would have thought even if BY were fed up of BHX they couldn't operate most of their charter flights out of there. There is scope for about 200M more before they have to cross a public road.
The proposed terminal has capacity for just 2 B737-3 loads so it will be probably be too small for BY Express the day it is built, just look at how quick the other low-cost operators have expanded. Also, the planning decision for the terminal is yet to be made, it will be a game getting it ready for a S04 start.
We have seen airlines promising to use CVT before, the operator goes a long way down the road to moving to CVT only to use it as a bargaining tool for better rates at big brother up the road. It may be good gen that BY Express are interested in CVT but they would say that, wouldn't they.
If the (larger) terminal was already built, if they already had a longer runway, if they had already replaced their CAT 1 ILS, I would have given it a better chance, especially as the airport has some of the best road connections in the country (why Parcelforce chose it for their main UK hub). It is definitely a regional airport waiting to happen, it just needs a few million spent on it first.
The proposed terminal has capacity for just 2 B737-3 loads so it will be probably be too small for BY Express the day it is built, just look at how quick the other low-cost operators have expanded. Also, the planning decision for the terminal is yet to be made, it will be a game getting it ready for a S04 start.
We have seen airlines promising to use CVT before, the operator goes a long way down the road to moving to CVT only to use it as a bargaining tool for better rates at big brother up the road. It may be good gen that BY Express are interested in CVT but they would say that, wouldn't they.
If the (larger) terminal was already built, if they already had a longer runway, if they had already replaced their CAT 1 ILS, I would have given it a better chance, especially as the airport has some of the best road connections in the country (why Parcelforce chose it for their main UK hub). It is definitely a regional airport waiting to happen, it just needs a few million spent on it first.
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The 757 may well have filled in on the LTN-BFS route, loads justified the aircraft around bank holidays I can remember a 767 being used, but once the trooping contract went, so did this route. The 737's were sold off around this time.
Rentaghost from what you are saying, TUI would use CVT just to spite MTL! No Lo-Co makes a profit initially, so it is a loss leader to rattle MyTravel, just does not make economic sense?
Next you will be telling me that Ryanair will be flying from Bruntingthorpe to rattle the Baby!
Luton full............NO WAY. Plenty of capacity, mind you when Now start, easyJet expand further, Volare begin and grow etc?
With a catchment area like Luton's, capacity restrictions at LGW & STN, airlines must be forming a queue outside TBI's marketing department door!
Rentaghost from what you are saying, TUI would use CVT just to spite MTL! No Lo-Co makes a profit initially, so it is a loss leader to rattle MyTravel, just does not make economic sense?
Next you will be telling me that Ryanair will be flying from Bruntingthorpe to rattle the Baby!
Luton full............NO WAY. Plenty of capacity, mind you when Now start, easyJet expand further, Volare begin and grow etc?
With a catchment area like Luton's, capacity restrictions at LGW & STN, airlines must be forming a queue outside TBI's marketing department door!
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I've just spent a couple days down in Rugby and saw "Fight the Blight-Say no to the airport" signs everywhere, what are these relating to then? Coventry? Cosford? East Midlands? Cape Walsall?
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The Fight - The - Blight banners are to do with the proposed new International Airport near Rugby. This is part of the governments White Paper on Air Transport in the Future. The decision on that should be forthcoming soon but latest rumours suggest it is probably a no go, as Stansted is likely to get at least one more runway (don't know that for sure - but it is a rumour). From what I can can remember, Rugby was only going to get the go ahead if there was no increased runway capacity in the South East.
There is some local resistance to the development of Coventry, a few signs around the airport and plenty in the local press, let me guess, all these folks drive to Cornwall for their holidays.
There is some local resistance to the development of Coventry, a few signs around the airport and plenty in the local press, let me guess, all these folks drive to Cornwall for their holidays.
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I wonder what the thread starter has to say?
As far as I remember, BY did do BFS on the 75 (& 76's at Xmas and Easter). BY made a strategic decision to get rid of all our scheduled services (don't forget BY did MAN-LPA/TFS/PMI and LGW-TFS/PMI as well after the 737-200's were retired. The retirement of the 737-200 was also the reason the MOD flights went elsewhere- the MOD wanted a frequent service, but not the amount of seats.
By the way BY's LTN-BFS was the first lo-cost, no-frills sched service (as I recall 35 quid 1-way, 44 return) and we filled the aeroplanes.
I wonder what aeroplanes are goint to be added to the fleet?
As far as I remember, BY did do BFS on the 75 (& 76's at Xmas and Easter). BY made a strategic decision to get rid of all our scheduled services (don't forget BY did MAN-LPA/TFS/PMI and LGW-TFS/PMI as well after the 737-200's were retired. The retirement of the 737-200 was also the reason the MOD flights went elsewhere- the MOD wanted a frequent service, but not the amount of seats.
By the way BY's LTN-BFS was the first lo-cost, no-frills sched service (as I recall 35 quid 1-way, 44 return) and we filled the aeroplanes.
I wonder what aeroplanes are goint to be added to the fleet?