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Once again I would draw your attention to the RED warning at the bottom of this page.
Decide for yourself the relative merit of validity of the point-of-view of a FNG virgin post.
4HP
Decide for yourself the relative merit of validity of the point-of-view of a FNG virgin post.
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what did they sack their 2 best instructors for? seems a damn silly thing to do!
everyone says the instruction is great, so something must be ok. what are payscales like? and what's staff turnover like?
and what do they say about validations that's wrong? are they deliberate lies, or sales staff not trained properly?
does it look like things could come right in the future?
what did they sack their 2 best instructors for? seems a damn silly thing to do!
everyone says the instruction is great, so something must be ok. what are payscales like? and what's staff turnover like?
and what do they say about validations that's wrong? are they deliberate lies, or sales staff not trained properly?
does it look like things could come right in the future?
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THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SK8y
Nice to see you here.
Oscar
I suggest you telephone them & ask the reasons!
The owner is Sue Happy, so we won't give him the chance (even though he has never apparently pursued a threat).
STAFF TURNOVER HAS BEEN EXCESSIVELY HIGH OVER THE LAST MONTHS! Any management college could use this group of "workers" as a case study for poor management.
Professional managers would be horrified. I am qualified.
I learned of this today.
To be fair, allegedly, the 2 were O'O'O'(English slang).
The Ground School is nothing to shout about, they do not have the people and especially the facilities, (with support from the top) to reach the desired standard, even the SA Coms students were dissatisfied last year.
Many flying instructors were good but some were very poor in the people relations dept. especially when it came to more experienced & more mature pilots.
Not sure about the valies topic but most overseas visitors arrive with (how can I be fair?) a suitcase full of false promisses from THE TOP!
An example is the JAR ATPL GS Students, last year, all arrived with the informed idea of sitting the first 7 subjects' exams in RSA, not so.
Yes it could get better if the present owners became passive & paid a good professional manager to provide a professional service & not view students as a commodity.
AD sorry won't say.
4HP I respect your position & your experience but I hope with this subject you are a virgin too. I would not wish this subject, the plagues of Egypt would be easier to deal with, on anyone.
Have a happy flying life.
Nice to see you here.
Oscar
I suggest you telephone them & ask the reasons!
The owner is Sue Happy, so we won't give him the chance (even though he has never apparently pursued a threat).
STAFF TURNOVER HAS BEEN EXCESSIVELY HIGH OVER THE LAST MONTHS! Any management college could use this group of "workers" as a case study for poor management.
Professional managers would be horrified. I am qualified.
I learned of this today.
To be fair, allegedly, the 2 were O'O'O'(English slang).
The Ground School is nothing to shout about, they do not have the people and especially the facilities, (with support from the top) to reach the desired standard, even the SA Coms students were dissatisfied last year.
Many flying instructors were good but some were very poor in the people relations dept. especially when it came to more experienced & more mature pilots.
Not sure about the valies topic but most overseas visitors arrive with (how can I be fair?) a suitcase full of false promisses from THE TOP!
An example is the JAR ATPL GS Students, last year, all arrived with the informed idea of sitting the first 7 subjects' exams in RSA, not so.
Yes it could get better if the present owners became passive & paid a good professional manager to provide a professional service & not view students as a commodity.
AD sorry won't say.
4HP I respect your position & your experience but I hope with this subject you are a virgin too. I would not wish this subject, the plagues of Egypt would be easier to deal with, on anyone.
Have a happy flying life.
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Flying boat's vendetta gets me down. I can't go too wrong if I go to SA, get a SA PPL at a good school, and go to FTC for JAR PPL exams and skills test.
That will give me a chance to make up my own mind. They tell me SA has the best flying in the world, and I'm not missing it!
AD said it for me. The place is cheap, but also good. FB's mission is to create as much damage for FTC as he can. Who does he work for?
And why knock SA as well?
That will give me a chance to make up my own mind. They tell me SA has the best flying in the world, and I'm not missing it!
AD said it for me. The place is cheap, but also good. FB's mission is to create as much damage for FTC as he can. Who does he work for?
And why knock SA as well?
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Oscar
You have said the first sensible thing about this subject!
"Go to SA, get an SA PPL at a good school"
Then only subject yourself to FTC with the PPL tests if you want a JAR PPL. That should be no more than 3 or 4 days if you are any good & they can plan the examiners/plane.
SA is good & I have never knocked SA in general (at the moment it is better than the UK, in my opinion), the flying is quite good, my only problem is the poor practises that add to training problems from FTC policy makers.
Seeing as you are logged 'from SA' you don't really have a choice but to "not miss it".
I was trained by FTC instructors to warn fellow pilots of inflight conditions & problems that are hazardous to life & plane.
FTC falls into this category for training organisations, I am warning student pilots of a dangerous situation. You seem to want them to fly straight into a training CB, not very friendly.
Eventually it is up to all people to make up their own minds, if after they read what I write & decide to go it is their decision.
I would not wish FTC on anyone, but I cannot stop them from making a mistake.
Avoid FTC, take a more calm route if you want to enjoy your training.
Long live Castle Lager, Boerwors & Biltong!
You have said the first sensible thing about this subject!
"Go to SA, get an SA PPL at a good school"
Then only subject yourself to FTC with the PPL tests if you want a JAR PPL. That should be no more than 3 or 4 days if you are any good & they can plan the examiners/plane.
SA is good & I have never knocked SA in general (at the moment it is better than the UK, in my opinion), the flying is quite good, my only problem is the poor practises that add to training problems from FTC policy makers.
Seeing as you are logged 'from SA' you don't really have a choice but to "not miss it".
I was trained by FTC instructors to warn fellow pilots of inflight conditions & problems that are hazardous to life & plane.
FTC falls into this category for training organisations, I am warning student pilots of a dangerous situation. You seem to want them to fly straight into a training CB, not very friendly.
Eventually it is up to all people to make up their own minds, if after they read what I write & decide to go it is their decision.
I would not wish FTC on anyone, but I cannot stop them from making a mistake.
Avoid FTC, take a more calm route if you want to enjoy your training.
Long live Castle Lager, Boerwors & Biltong!
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Keeping it going for Oscar!
Just in case you missed it:
AD said "what were the names of the sacked guys?"
Perhaps you could tell us after your cigarette?
To all reading, check the wannabe's thread, VERY Informative.
Happy flying to all!
AD said "what were the names of the sacked guys?"
Perhaps you could tell us after your cigarette?
To all reading, check the wannabe's thread, VERY Informative.
Happy flying to all!
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I think that most subscribers will understand that we cannot allow the names of anyone who has been terminated, for whatever reason, to be posted on this forum.
This what PM's & emails are for.
You guys ever hear of DF?
Use it.
4HP
This what PM's & emails are for.
You guys ever hear of DF?
Use it.
4HP
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More Info,
Please check the wannabes section for new postings on this subject.
Extremely up to date info, not from me.
Apparently lost another plane.
Happy Landings!
P.S. 4HP, I did give Oscar the credit for contacting us via PM. Obviously you don't.
Please check the wannabes section for new postings on this subject.
Extremely up to date info, not from me.
Apparently lost another plane.
Happy Landings!
P.S. 4HP, I did give Oscar the credit for contacting us via PM. Obviously you don't.
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If anyone does know the names of the sacked guys could they pass it on to me with a private message as i heard rumour that a couple of mates where sacked. Also i heard one of the ex FTC female instructors who went downstairs was involved in a crash does anyone know any details and if she was hurt.
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Ex- FTC Instructress in crash???
African Drunk, help me on this one. This is the first I've heard of this; are we talking petite redhead who sounds like Black and Decker?
What details have you heard?
Keen to know.
Ta
What details have you heard?
Keen to know.
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Hope She is OK
I also know the suspected pranger.
I hope she is well.
Nice description Bucket.
The extra plane lost by FTC was MHD (apparently an UK individual with Gurlfreund & a fuel problem), the Archer. Apparently no injuries, thank god. LAR was in the workshop, delayed for some reason.
Continuing FTC info on Wannabes.
Happy flying!
I hope she is well.
Nice description Bucket.
The extra plane lost by FTC was MHD (apparently an UK individual with Gurlfreund & a fuel problem), the Archer. Apparently no injuries, thank god. LAR was in the workshop, delayed for some reason.
Continuing FTC info on Wannabes.
Happy flying!
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Proof that I am not on a vendetta
This week I have learnt of a very bad accident one of our study colleagues had.
He had a motorcycle accident just 2 weeks before going home.
He was taken to a local hospital to do whatever seriously ill people do in local SA hospitals.
The owner of FTC apparently arranged for him to be moved to a much better hospital in Pretoria, where he is still recovering.
Is my information correct? Can someone correct me?
If my info is correct, thank you to the owner for helping him!
I hope our colleague recovers back to class1 fitness quickly.
FB
He had a motorcycle accident just 2 weeks before going home.
He was taken to a local hospital to do whatever seriously ill people do in local SA hospitals.
The owner of FTC apparently arranged for him to be moved to a much better hospital in Pretoria, where he is still recovering.
Is my information correct? Can someone correct me?
If my info is correct, thank you to the owner for helping him!
I hope our colleague recovers back to class1 fitness quickly.
FB
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123.45 and others I hear you and say amen.
Okey dokey. FTC also been there, seen there and got the T-shirt. Let no man or women reading this be in any doubt that 123.45 is not just having a gripe he is trying to save your life.
FTC is without doubt an organization that is likely to result in you needing you life insurance. They epitomize everything that can go wrong in an organization.
They believe that admin is a place in China and attempt to prove it on a daily basis.
The story with the instructors. The senior JAR chap is indeed a nice chap and wasn't indeed sacked. Thank god he is one of the many people there that give FTC some redeeming features. He was looked, at talked at prodded and then demoted. A great shame as he was one of the few who knew what they were doing.
The state of a/c play is that the 310 is a gate guard and even the instructors wont go near it and the PA-34 is safe except when the day ends with a Y. As for 2 Arrows. MHD is toast due to FTCs ineptitude and it was indeed a fuel problem. LAR is as safe as the PA34 if you dont mind the oil pressure and gear problems.
If you want an adrelanin sport take up parachuting or bungee jumping but don't fly with FTC 'cos you don't get a parachute or a safety harness.
Yes the owner occasionaly takes people for a beer. This is because he has no friends who arent suing him. Even his wife tells him where to go.
Yes the instructors are mostly (not all) very good and very friendly. If you are at PPL level you probably know so little about flying that you won't notice how bad an experience it was. So those PPL chaps who said it was wonderful want to wind their necks in and help save aviation in SA.
Aircraft are scarce, instructors are overworked, facilites are non-existant or poor, briefings are a luxury, you even have to pay for your own fuel many times and claim it later cos they can't pay their bills!!! Accomodation comes with free rats, an electric fence that doesn't work a security guard that is unarmed and asleep 9/10 and has a lovely view over the local township full of people would love to truly welcome you to the real South Africa.
SA is lovely and places like FTC are doing a brisk trade in ruining it. JAR have been informed by no less than 17 former clients within the last 6 months that the practices at FTC are so obviously dangerous that they should not hold JAR certification.
I recommend anyone to go to SA for PPL or CPL I did my first CPL Multi IR in SA and had a great time but only because I saw enough b4 it was too late and stayed away fm FTC.
If you want to do anything go out to SA and get an SA licence or if for professional get and SA CPL/MEP/IR and then convert it to JAR in UK. In all honesty the SA exams are far easier than the JAR ones and you save having to do the 25hr JAR CPL module as you have and ICAO pro license. All you have to do in UK is a 170a and then test.
Come one some tell me I'm making it up, I have pictures I can send you if you really want to see it
Edited to remove some gutter language. The rest is the same as posted.
Must be that time of year - so many folk feel that they will make a stronger point if they splash their post with profanities and culturally offensive comments.
Keep it clean please.
4HP
Okey dokey. FTC also been there, seen there and got the T-shirt. Let no man or women reading this be in any doubt that 123.45 is not just having a gripe he is trying to save your life.
FTC is without doubt an organization that is likely to result in you needing you life insurance. They epitomize everything that can go wrong in an organization.
They believe that admin is a place in China and attempt to prove it on a daily basis.
The story with the instructors. The senior JAR chap is indeed a nice chap and wasn't indeed sacked. Thank god he is one of the many people there that give FTC some redeeming features. He was looked, at talked at prodded and then demoted. A great shame as he was one of the few who knew what they were doing.
The state of a/c play is that the 310 is a gate guard and even the instructors wont go near it and the PA-34 is safe except when the day ends with a Y. As for 2 Arrows. MHD is toast due to FTCs ineptitude and it was indeed a fuel problem. LAR is as safe as the PA34 if you dont mind the oil pressure and gear problems.
If you want an adrelanin sport take up parachuting or bungee jumping but don't fly with FTC 'cos you don't get a parachute or a safety harness.
Yes the owner occasionaly takes people for a beer. This is because he has no friends who arent suing him. Even his wife tells him where to go.
Yes the instructors are mostly (not all) very good and very friendly. If you are at PPL level you probably know so little about flying that you won't notice how bad an experience it was. So those PPL chaps who said it was wonderful want to wind their necks in and help save aviation in SA.
Aircraft are scarce, instructors are overworked, facilites are non-existant or poor, briefings are a luxury, you even have to pay for your own fuel many times and claim it later cos they can't pay their bills!!! Accomodation comes with free rats, an electric fence that doesn't work a security guard that is unarmed and asleep 9/10 and has a lovely view over the local township full of people would love to truly welcome you to the real South Africa.
SA is lovely and places like FTC are doing a brisk trade in ruining it. JAR have been informed by no less than 17 former clients within the last 6 months that the practices at FTC are so obviously dangerous that they should not hold JAR certification.
I recommend anyone to go to SA for PPL or CPL I did my first CPL Multi IR in SA and had a great time but only because I saw enough b4 it was too late and stayed away fm FTC.
If you want to do anything go out to SA and get an SA licence or if for professional get and SA CPL/MEP/IR and then convert it to JAR in UK. In all honesty the SA exams are far easier than the JAR ones and you save having to do the 25hr JAR CPL module as you have and ICAO pro license. All you have to do in UK is a 170a and then test.
Come one some tell me I'm making it up, I have pictures I can send you if you really want to see it
Edited to remove some gutter language. The rest is the same as posted.
Must be that time of year - so many folk feel that they will make a stronger point if they splash their post with profanities and culturally offensive comments.
Keep it clean please.
4HP
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