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I see there is an article in the Saturday Star on this whole venture. Sorry. Don,t have the skill to post it.Perhaps someone else can.
But article mainly deals with noise poluution problem but also with 'reservations from other chopper operators'
Concludes with:
"Trevor Davids, spokeperson for the CAA, said that Win's operation was completely legal and above board"
So that all alright then
But article mainly deals with noise poluution problem but also with 'reservations from other chopper operators'
Concludes with:
"Trevor Davids, spokeperson for the CAA, said that Win's operation was completely legal and above board"
So that all alright then
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Newspaper Report
Lo Flying Bean - Happy NY !
I pressume you have a "hard copy" of the Newspaper ?
I searched everywhere and can find NOTHING re this article.
If you have a scanner with OCR software - you will be able to scan the newspaper and then the OCR software will put the words in a Word (or similar) document form.
If you have a internet web site link - pass it on and I will psot it , but i pressume you know how to do that
Cheers,
I pressume you have a "hard copy" of the Newspaper ?
I searched everywhere and can find NOTHING re this article.
If you have a scanner with OCR software - you will be able to scan the newspaper and then the OCR software will put the words in a Word (or similar) document form.
If you have a internet web site link - pass it on and I will psot it , but i pressume you know how to do that
Cheers,
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thanx for the link B sousa, very interesting site. I notice they are sponsered by the History channel. the program I was refering to earlier was actually on this channel and specifically on the Huey. any chopper that can screw the throttle off and use inertia to pull up to a hover and do a torque turn then set down again has to be a great ship. any other ships able to do this?. I also read with interest that the lead weighted tips are good for widening LZs that would soon sort the old robby out.
that would soon sort the old robby out.
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HI GUNS - HAPPY NEW YEAR
Thanks for the Chrismas greeting!
When are you heding back north? I will have a go at getting the article onto the site. It was on page 8 of the Saturday Star Main Section. Will have to engage the full resources of the IT Section of my wifes company. ( OCR,scanner,link, web... err... is that like the select switch on my DME??!!)
Oh I see that Trevor Davids also gets a mention in the Sunday Times article for irreuglarities with his own employment at CAA.
Thanks for the Chrismas greeting!
When are you heding back north? I will have a go at getting the article onto the site. It was on page 8 of the Saturday Star Main Section. Will have to engage the full resources of the IT Section of my wifes company. ( OCR,scanner,link, web... err... is that like the select switch on my DME??!!)
Oh I see that Trevor Davids also gets a mention in the Sunday Times article for irreuglarities with his own employment at CAA.
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Time for a reply
Eischh and I really wanted to put the blazing gunss away this year ....
Rotorhead, thanks for the exposure !
4HP - thanks for keeping them exposed ... it is time we get "our" house in order. It really looks like the Sunday Times is. - Maybe we should pass this rumour page on to them ?
Bert, wise words ... but what are we / CAA going to do about it .. how will this be exposed ?
Brag-gat ! PS: Ask your wife what it means 
Dean, welcome to PPRUNE. Those that do not know Dean can be assured of a commited member of the flying community who can surely give us great inputs !
Disgusting ... cheers Flying Bean - already back at the helm(et)
Lo Wiz ... just pose the question S L O W L E Y please as I might have an answer ... it is the beginning of the year and .... well ask in detail please
Well, the plot it thickens. Quite bluntly Pilots with PPL`s have been operating for Win helicopters out of the Waterfront in Cape Town flying both the UH 1/Bell 205 and Bell 206`s. CAA has been informed and has done zip! ..........As Guns would say, "Skande", actually it`s damned embaressing to be in the situation of having to put up a post like this. Sometimes there comes a time when you have to draw a line in the sand.
Normally we couldn't sanction "naming" here but I've done some research & all indications are that events are as reported by Rotorhead.
Now that posting is interesting. I could not believe there was more than one moronic pilot in SA until I heard about the tethered 206 stunt. Those pictures made a laughing stock of SA Aviation all over the world.
When it quits making sparks, your airborne......................BUT still not as fun as the Cobra........
Dean, welcome to PPRUNE. Those that do not know Dean can be assured of a commited member of the flying community who can surely give us great inputs !
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"Trevor Davids, spokeperson for the CAA, said that Win's operation was completely legal and above board"
"Trevor Davids, spokeperson for the CAA, said that Win's operation was completely legal and above board"
any chopper that can screw the throttle off and use inertia to pull up to a hover and do a torque turn then set down again has to be a great ship. any other ships able to do this?
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Yo Guns.......Its mentioned that PPLs are doing the flying. Im not sure about SA but here in the states thats legal, if its "NOT FOR HIRE.' Nothing says a PPL cant do it. The Huey is not over 12,500 lbs., so it does not require a type rating. Again I dont know the rules on that in SA.
Im guessing that the folks who own them are not charging "direct" but skirting the issue with some kind of membership or something similar. Which in fact makes it quite legal........
Im also guessing these folks have done their homework and until "SA Air Law" specificaly states something, they will operate.
Hey, lets go down and have some fun.
Im guessing that the folks who own them are not charging "direct" but skirting the issue with some kind of membership or something similar. Which in fact makes it quite legal........
Im also guessing these folks have done their homework and until "SA Air Law" specificaly states something, they will operate.
Hey, lets go down and have some fun.
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"Trevor Davids, spokeperson for the CAA, said that Win's operation was completely legal and above board"
Well the spokesman can hardly say anything else until the approval is pulled.
I wonder how good their records are of all those the 'vital parts'?
Well the spokesman can hardly say anything else until the approval is pulled.
I wonder how good their records are of all those the 'vital parts'?
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Actually, 1975 was the last production year of the UH-1H. The 1966 model in question, was more likely a "D" model with a conversion to the -13 engine.
In Vietnam, the SVNA got most of the new "H" models, while the US Army plugged on with mostly "D's".
In Vietnam, the SVNA got most of the new "H" models, while the US Army plugged on with mostly "D's".
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Lo Bert,
I also am not "ofey" with the licencing but surely it is time for correcting these blunders and mishaps.
We are making our name GAT
Same as a55 Bert
I also am not "ofey" with the licencing but surely it is time for correcting these blunders and mishaps.
We are making our name GAT
Same as a55 Bert
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DIE BURGER
I contacted a journalist friend. He / she ? said that "Die Burger" is investigating the story after "complaints". So let us see and hear what is happening in due course ?
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some more info on the vietnam heli-flip operation just in.
go to: http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...307051,00.html
the article doesn't say much though.
go to: http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...307051,00.html
the article doesn't say much though.
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Well the story made it onto a radio talkshow "Cape Talk" for an hour on Friday. From Win Gary van der Merwe and Francois Marais, from the other operators at the Waterfront (Civair, Sport and NAC) Mark Perkins (Chief driver Civair), from CAA Trevor Davids (Media liason) and Tinus Van Jaarsveld (Chopper Inspector).
The show was a one hour phone in. Gary and Francois were up first extolling the airworthiness of their machine and their thousands of hours of flying albeit PPL. The young lady giving the show had been for a ride and thought her R750 for 25min was good value.
The legality of flying pax in a ZU registered machine was discussed ; Gary said it was as they were operating under part 96. Mark said how could they operate under something that had not been promulgated so obviously it was part 91 which says NO PAX. Trevor Davids got confused and Tinus stepped in and said Mark was right.
During the show someone phoned in and asked if Francois was`nt the same Francois who had been convicted a few years ago of license fraud - changed an FAA PPL to look like an FAA COM and then got an endorsed SA COM and proceeded to fly commercialy. DCA inspector got suspicious and a little time was done.
Mark asked if they were doing Vietnam type low level stuff across the water why the pax had no lifejackets and the machine had no floats - little embaressed slilence apparently.
CAA have now put out a letter to the effect that no flying out of the Waterfront pad by non commercial pilots as well as the only flying allowed will be pax revenue flights.
Gary`s answer to CAA - get a Supreme Court Order, until then he`s flying and so he did on Saturday.
Why is it that there is always a get rich, quicker, short term chancer who stuffs it up for everyone!!
I drink my lunch, chop down tree`s and go to the Lavatory
The show was a one hour phone in. Gary and Francois were up first extolling the airworthiness of their machine and their thousands of hours of flying albeit PPL. The young lady giving the show had been for a ride and thought her R750 for 25min was good value.
The legality of flying pax in a ZU registered machine was discussed ; Gary said it was as they were operating under part 96. Mark said how could they operate under something that had not been promulgated so obviously it was part 91 which says NO PAX. Trevor Davids got confused and Tinus stepped in and said Mark was right.
During the show someone phoned in and asked if Francois was`nt the same Francois who had been convicted a few years ago of license fraud - changed an FAA PPL to look like an FAA COM and then got an endorsed SA COM and proceeded to fly commercialy. DCA inspector got suspicious and a little time was done.
Mark asked if they were doing Vietnam type low level stuff across the water why the pax had no lifejackets and the machine had no floats - little embaressed slilence apparently.
CAA have now put out a letter to the effect that no flying out of the Waterfront pad by non commercial pilots as well as the only flying allowed will be pax revenue flights.
Gary`s answer to CAA - get a Supreme Court Order, until then he`s flying and so he did on Saturday.
Why is it that there is always a get rich, quicker, short term chancer who stuffs it up for everyone!!
I drink my lunch, chop down tree`s and go to the Lavatory
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Interesting.........Basics in the states say overwater and in autorotational distance to land then lifejackets and floats not necessary. Anything farther out is a No-No.
I thought these boys would have done their homework... maybe the Huey is tethered to the shoreline.........Does it make big circles.....
I thought these boys would have done their homework... maybe the Huey is tethered to the shoreline.........Does it make big circles.....
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het jou katvis!
judging from the info posted on this thread, if the reality is as posted: then these poeple are operating illegally......why then hasn't CAA come down on then from a dizzy height like a vengefull archangel!?!
comparing to the amount of cr*p you get when you miss dotting and 'i' and crossing a 't' on any correspondence to them, something seems amiss, does the wheels or rotors of justice rotate slowly or did somebody get free rides for life perhaps...
operators that give; the law, common decency and respect towards their pilos and pax, the finger , always seems to get away with it. on the CAA website there isn't even a way to expediently and serriptisiously make use of the confidential hazard reporting system, so operators get away with overloading aircraft, intimidating crews (especially in the present climate with balmoral just gone belly-up) , signing out a/c with autopilots u/s (single pilot), gaping holes in the instrument panel, time-ex engines signed out for another 100 hours, co-pilot seats than cant adjust forward/aft so you cant reach the controls if PIC incapacitated etc etc
oh wait heres another one........crew complains freight on a/c too much, solution: give them exact same loadsheet but missing bottom line(nothing off-loaded off a/c)
comparing to the amount of cr*p you get when you miss dotting and 'i' and crossing a 't' on any correspondence to them, something seems amiss, does the wheels or rotors of justice rotate slowly or did somebody get free rides for life perhaps...
operators that give; the law, common decency and respect towards their pilos and pax, the finger , always seems to get away with it.
on the CAA website there isn't even a way to expediently and serriptisiously make use of the confidential hazard reporting system, so operators get away with overloading aircraft, intimidating crews (especially in the present climate with balmoral just gone belly-up) , signing out a/c with autopilots u/s (single pilot), gaping holes in the instrument panel, time-ex engines signed out for another 100 hours, co-pilot seats than cant adjust forward/aft so you cant reach the controls if PIC incapacitated etc etcoh wait heres another one........crew complains freight on a/c too much, solution: give them exact same loadsheet but missing bottom line(nothing off-loaded off a/c)
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We will have to admit that so far this has been a rather one sided thread. I just received a long letter from Francois Marais in which he said he has signed up for PPrune but has not received a password in over a week. Maybe our moderators can answer that one or at least assist in getting him signed up for PPrune.
Im sure it will quell all the rumors and probably make this one hot topic........
I must also mention that when I post my thoughts, they are based on MY experience and also some general rules here in the states. What goes on in SA is something else. My flying experience there is limited, but I certainly see where things can get out of hand quickly........
Lets give him a chance to respond.......
Im sure it will quell all the rumors and probably make this one hot topic........
I must also mention that when I post my thoughts, they are based on MY experience and also some general rules here in the states. What goes on in SA is something else. My flying experience there is limited, but I certainly see where things can get out of hand quickly........
Lets give him a chance to respond.......
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These boys should be afforded the opportunity to answer some of these malicious rumours that have appeared on these threads. I agree with B. Sousa.
Surely, any pilot who is sane minded, will not fly a machine that is not airworthy, does not have records and are considered to be unsafe. Are you guys sugesting that these pilots are'nt sane?
I'm a big Huey and Nam fan, and it is absolutely wonderful to read that someone has taken the initiative to restore one and put it in the air.
Warbirds are flown daily all over America, and I do not see why this helicopter should be prevented from flying due to the extreme jealousies of others. Warbirds are also a big business, and if I had owned it, would also have made a business out of it. Come on guys, give these boys a fair chance!!!!
Surely, any pilot who is sane minded, will not fly a machine that is not airworthy, does not have records and are considered to be unsafe. Are you guys sugesting that these pilots are'nt sane?
I'm a big Huey and Nam fan, and it is absolutely wonderful to read that someone has taken the initiative to restore one and put it in the air.
Warbirds are flown daily all over America, and I do not see why this helicopter should be prevented from flying due to the extreme jealousies of others. Warbirds are also a big business, and if I had owned it, would also have made a business out of it. Come on guys, give these boys a fair chance!!!!