SAAF Pilots "more representative"
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SAAF Pilots "more representative"
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Cape Town - The SA Air Force's corps of pilots are becoming demographically representative of the general population, SAAF chief Lieutenant General Roelf Beukes said on Thursday.
Addressing the 100th air force "wings parade" since World War II at the Central Flying School (CFS) at Langebaanweg, north of Cape Town, Beukes told his audience they were seeing the results of steps taken two years ago.
"The Air Force Board decided two-and-a-half years ago that the training of our air force members would receive the highest priority, and today, we are starting to see the results, with well trained, representative, quality youngsters emerging from our training institutions," Beukes told the 23 new pilots on parade.
"Furthermore, the Air Force Board decided during January this year that the flying instructors at the CFS had to be more representative. Two African instructors qualified in September this year and are currently on the staff."
Beukes said the United Sates and Algerian air forces had also offered to train a number of pilots as instructors.
Black flying instructors
"Between now and June 2003, these pilots will return to South Africa, which will bring the complement of black flying instructors at CFS Langebaanweg to a total of nine, including the first ever
African female flying instructor in the history of the air force."
Beukes said another innovative idea was the introduction of a parallel tracking concept in flying training.
"Last year a student encountered difficulty right at the end of his flying training programme and he was selected for this pilot project.
"This year he followed this programme and he qualified above 80 percent in all his advanced flying aspects, and he achieved 82 percent for his final wings test.
"Today, Second Lieutenant Tim Mokoena is with us on parade, and he is commended for his hard work and perseverance," Beukes told an audience that included several foreign defence attaches.
"It is initiatives like these that are proof of the fact that the air force is serious in its objective to become fully representative in the flying environment.
"The pilot wings course that starts in January 2003 is even more representative. Out of 25 candidates, 12 are African, two Asian, two coloured and nine white, with six of the 25 candidates being females."
Intensive training
The SAAF was recently severely criticised in an internal SA National Defence Force (SANDF) Inspector General's report for its apparent lack of commitment to transformation.
SAAF spokesperson Major Hugo Weichs said it took two-and-a-half years to train a pilot to a basic level of proficiency.
The first three months consisted of basic training at the SAAF Gymnasium in Pretoria followed by another three months of officers' training at the SAAF College, also in Pretoria.
Next followed a year of theoretical and academic training at the SANDF's Military Academy at Saldanha, near Cape Town. Only the final year was actually spent learning to fly.
However, the training of pilots did not end once the pilots received their wings.
After a short break the graduates would next report for specialised training as fighter, transport or helicopter pilots.
This training could last another two-and-a-half years.
Cape Town - The SA Air Force's corps of pilots are becoming demographically representative of the general population, SAAF chief Lieutenant General Roelf Beukes said on Thursday.
Addressing the 100th air force "wings parade" since World War II at the Central Flying School (CFS) at Langebaanweg, north of Cape Town, Beukes told his audience they were seeing the results of steps taken two years ago.
"The Air Force Board decided two-and-a-half years ago that the training of our air force members would receive the highest priority, and today, we are starting to see the results, with well trained, representative, quality youngsters emerging from our training institutions," Beukes told the 23 new pilots on parade.
"Furthermore, the Air Force Board decided during January this year that the flying instructors at the CFS had to be more representative. Two African instructors qualified in September this year and are currently on the staff."
Beukes said the United Sates and Algerian air forces had also offered to train a number of pilots as instructors.
Black flying instructors
"Between now and June 2003, these pilots will return to South Africa, which will bring the complement of black flying instructors at CFS Langebaanweg to a total of nine, including the first ever
African female flying instructor in the history of the air force." Beukes said another innovative idea was the introduction of a parallel tracking concept in flying training.
"Last year a student encountered difficulty right at the end of his flying training programme and he was selected for this pilot project.
"This year he followed this programme and he qualified above 80 percent in all his advanced flying aspects, and he achieved 82 percent for his final wings test.
"Today, Second Lieutenant Tim Mokoena is with us on parade, and he is commended for his hard work and perseverance," Beukes told an audience that included several foreign defence attaches.
"It is initiatives like these that are proof of the fact that the air force is serious in its objective to become fully representative in the flying environment.
"The pilot wings course that starts in January 2003 is even more representative. Out of 25 candidates, 12 are African, two Asian, two coloured and nine white, with six of the 25 candidates being females."
Intensive training
The SAAF was recently severely criticised in an internal SA National Defence Force (SANDF) Inspector General's report for its apparent lack of commitment to transformation.
SAAF spokesperson Major Hugo Weichs said it took two-and-a-half years to train a pilot to a basic level of proficiency.
The first three months consisted of basic training at the SAAF Gymnasium in Pretoria followed by another three months of officers' training at the SAAF College, also in Pretoria.
Next followed a year of theoretical and academic training at the SANDF's Military Academy at Saldanha, near Cape Town. Only the final year was actually spent learning to fly.
However, the training of pilots did not end once the pilots received their wings.
After a short break the graduates would next report for specialised training as fighter, transport or helicopter pilots.
This training could last another two-and-a-half years.
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This does appear to be a step in the "correct direction " but what makes me wonder is the year of intensive academic training at the AKADEEM ( military academy ) and then only one year of flying training. Wow. What happened to the continous ground school and flying at the same time or has that system changed as well.
Are they still called PUPES?
Do they still run and wear the old white bands?
Been away from that area of the system for a long time now.
Are they still called PUPES?
Do they still run and wear the old white bands?
Been away from that area of the system for a long time now.
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Whitebug - speed : As the philsophy is on PPRUNE - everybody for his own ideas ... sorry mate - I really know a lot more that can be done to tax-payers money for "the previously disadvantaged".
Reverse - apartheid can and never will work. This is nothing else. It is a shame that fellow South Africans with much better qualities, marks etc do not even get's considered when they have a pale face or a surname as Botha, du Plessis or de Klerk.
I have no problem to have a sponsored academy to help the previously disadvantaged, but to use tax-payers money as the previous regime did is just doing the same evil as the previous pale faces did .. bad bad bad.
El Peli m8: I would have wished to see the same standards aplly when the old Delta was still running. Eisschh bru - the quality was there and to make use of outsiders these days - show bad signals. Why can't you do an instructors course internally ? I will answer that one : You can not fail an external course ... ok off to the cricket and Castles ... Roundout I am also bakking kak now
Reverse - apartheid can and never will work. This is nothing else. It is a shame that fellow South Africans with much better qualities, marks etc do not even get's considered when they have a pale face or a surname as Botha, du Plessis or de Klerk.
I have no problem to have a sponsored academy to help the previously disadvantaged, but to use tax-payers money as the previous regime did is just doing the same evil as the previous pale faces did .. bad bad bad.
El Peli m8: I would have wished to see the same standards aplly when the old Delta was still running. Eisschh bru - the quality was there and to make use of outsiders these days - show bad signals. Why can't you do an instructors course internally ? I will answer that one : You can not fail an external course ... ok off to the cricket and Castles ... Roundout I am also bakking kak now
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Gunss -
"Reverse - apartheid can and never will work. This is nothing else. It is a shame that fellow South Africans with much better qualities, marks etc do not even get's considered when they have a pale face or a surname as Botha, du Plessis or de Klerk.
I have no problem to have a sponsored academy to help the previously disadvantaged, but to use tax-payers money as the previous regime did is just doing the same evil as the previous pale faces did .. bad bad bad.
El Peli m8: I would have wished to see the same standards aplly when the old Delta was still running. Eisschh bru - the quality was there and to make use of outsiders these days - show bad signals. Why can't you do an instructors course internally ? I will answer that one : You can not fail an external course ..."
You are correct - I know I do not have as good as a perspective on your situation down there except through friends I have met from South Africa and what I have read over the years but from my POV here Reverse discrimination only prolongs the same evil - doesn't really do a thing for propelling society ahead as a whole. Seems to be the thing though here also and in you neck of the woods especially what is going on in other countries around yours.
As far as training goes outside of SA as in here in the states - again you are correct - there is no pass/fail as you would have in yours or ours armed forces - it is more like this - Train to completion - kinda like keeping all the politico's happy and send the airman or soldier back home hopefully with a little more knowledge than when they arrived.
S/ CSL
"Reverse - apartheid can and never will work. This is nothing else. It is a shame that fellow South Africans with much better qualities, marks etc do not even get's considered when they have a pale face or a surname as Botha, du Plessis or de Klerk.
I have no problem to have a sponsored academy to help the previously disadvantaged, but to use tax-payers money as the previous regime did is just doing the same evil as the previous pale faces did .. bad bad bad.
El Peli m8: I would have wished to see the same standards aplly when the old Delta was still running. Eisschh bru - the quality was there and to make use of outsiders these days - show bad signals. Why can't you do an instructors course internally ? I will answer that one : You can not fail an external course ..."
You are correct - I know I do not have as good as a perspective on your situation down there except through friends I have met from South Africa and what I have read over the years but from my POV here Reverse discrimination only prolongs the same evil - doesn't really do a thing for propelling society ahead as a whole. Seems to be the thing though here also and in you neck of the woods especially what is going on in other countries around yours.
As far as training goes outside of SA as in here in the states - again you are correct - there is no pass/fail as you would have in yours or ours armed forces - it is more like this - Train to completion - kinda like keeping all the politico's happy and send the airman or soldier back home hopefully with a little more knowledge than when they arrived.
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What a load of bulldust
Gents,
I have never heard of so much bulldust in my life. I have some familiarity with the US system of traing having spent some time there on exchange and fully understand their quota system. i am not sure if that systmen is still in place or if they have become more progressive.
I have some experience of training military pliots and quite frankly, I don't care what colour they are. They can be black, green or blue, they can be male, female or gender unknown, they can be bisexual, homosexual or anything else. The only criteria that i care about is when **** turns to trumps and you are flying a complex mission at night on goggles etc etc that the very best person is in the seat next to you or infront of you or in the other aircraft. The fact that they eventually met the competency after an extra 50 hour remedial training on a 100% illum night means jack sh.t when it turns to worms.
By the way, I thought you were all african? I am certainly Australian but am not aboriginal. I think if you only associate the term African to the black guys, you then may lose identity with your unique association with the country. That would certainly be what other people (myself) would think.
Anyway, I think the quota system does not engender the highest possible standards of flying training and thus anything less is jepardising national security. Fortunately, its not my country being jepardised.
I have never heard of so much bulldust in my life. I have some familiarity with the US system of traing having spent some time there on exchange and fully understand their quota system. i am not sure if that systmen is still in place or if they have become more progressive.
I have some experience of training military pliots and quite frankly, I don't care what colour they are. They can be black, green or blue, they can be male, female or gender unknown, they can be bisexual, homosexual or anything else. The only criteria that i care about is when **** turns to trumps and you are flying a complex mission at night on goggles etc etc that the very best person is in the seat next to you or infront of you or in the other aircraft. The fact that they eventually met the competency after an extra 50 hour remedial training on a 100% illum night means jack sh.t when it turns to worms.
By the way, I thought you were all african? I am certainly Australian but am not aboriginal. I think if you only associate the term African to the black guys, you then may lose identity with your unique association with the country. That would certainly be what other people (myself) would think.
Anyway, I think the quota system does not engender the highest possible standards of flying training and thus anything less is jepardising national security. Fortunately, its not my country being jepardised.
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...just how much longer will it take the rest of the world to see what's going on in the NEW Southern Africa. Racisim is ALIVE and WELL - just the other way around now! Get the numbers right, what a crock of sh!t.
F@ck a brick, imagine how the "hug a tree today" activists would have reacted if Bob Mugabe was white and the roles were reversed!
If you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen. If you can't fly the plane, try becoming a petrol jockey!
F@ck a brick, imagine how the "hug a tree today" activists would have reacted if Bob Mugabe was white and the roles were reversed!
If you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen. If you can't fly the plane, try becoming a petrol jockey!
