British Airways Incident at Johannesburg
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Just so all know that BA did not claim from the Insurance for this aircraft.
They decided not to call it a Hull Loss and cut her up.
I know this cause I was there during the demolishing of this Aircraft and BA was there the whole time.
They decided not to call it a Hull Loss and cut her up.
I know this cause I was there during the demolishing of this Aircraft and BA was there the whole time.
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not actually true....I know for a fact (since I know people that arrange the insurance for IAG) BA did a deal with the insurers, who paid out a compromise amount, which means BA retain the "salvage".
BA then BA would, via the loss adjusters appointed by insurers, have contracted a firm to break up the aircraft and sell the useable salvage.
BA will presumably have shipped many of the internal fitting back home, since the seats, avionics etc will be useful to them in the rest of their fleet, they may have taken the engines home, but may have sold them depending upon how many spare engines they already have in the fleet.
The rest, well as we can see....backed bean cans....
BA then BA would, via the loss adjusters appointed by insurers, have contracted a firm to break up the aircraft and sell the useable salvage.
BA will presumably have shipped many of the internal fitting back home, since the seats, avionics etc will be useful to them in the rest of their fleet, they may have taken the engines home, but may have sold them depending upon how many spare engines they already have in the fleet.
The rest, well as we can see....backed bean cans....
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I don't know anything about this claim other than what I saw on the web, but I am an aviation adjuster and what Clipstone1 says sounds probably closest to the truth. When a total loss occurs, the insurance company will pay the insured what the insured value is and take possession of the salvage. Then they will turn around and sell it to recoup some money on it. Many times the insured says "hey sell it back to me because I want the parts", so basically the insurance company "sells" it back to the insured by subtracting the salvage value from the total loss settlement, and the insured just keeps the salvage. That way there is less paperwork on the insurance company's side, and they wash their hands of it. Then it's up to the insured to do whatever they want with it. Again, I'm not sure that this is exactly what happened in this case, so that will be all for Aviation Insurance Salvage 101.
I have nothing against insurance or insurers but I do think aviation could be made safer by only allowing a % value sum of insurance against the hardware.
Ie if you crash your new 787 we'l pay out 30% of what the machine was worth.
All of the public liability would still have to be available obviously. But it would make the consequences of not getting your safety culture right much higher.
Ie if you crash your new 787 we'l pay out 30% of what the machine was worth.
All of the public liability would still have to be available obviously. But it would make the consequences of not getting your safety culture right much higher.
Do you really think so ?
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Proper Recycling
Just caught up with this thread.
Whoever was 'recycling' this aircraft was not doing 'proper recycling'
Whilst parting out is carried out per the requirements of EASA 145, assuming the aircraft still holds a CoM and CofA, If not,you do it under Part M rules.
In terms of the airframe destruction, there is currently no approved method. However, if you want to salvage the valuable materials, you don't just smash it up as it appears here. Any 'proper recycler' would have a method statement for the the aircraft type and follow the developed procedure.
After all, the 95 tonnes of Ali you would harvest would get you about $85,000 if you do the job properly. Not to mention what you would get for the stainless steel and titanium.
Just smashing it up - whoever was doing that didn't know what they were doing.
Whoever was 'recycling' this aircraft was not doing 'proper recycling'
Whilst parting out is carried out per the requirements of EASA 145, assuming the aircraft still holds a CoM and CofA, If not,you do it under Part M rules.
In terms of the airframe destruction, there is currently no approved method. However, if you want to salvage the valuable materials, you don't just smash it up as it appears here. Any 'proper recycler' would have a method statement for the the aircraft type and follow the developed procedure.
After all, the 95 tonnes of Ali you would harvest would get you about $85,000 if you do the job properly. Not to mention what you would get for the stainless steel and titanium.
Just smashing it up - whoever was doing that didn't know what they were doing.
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After all, the 95 tonnes of Ali you would harvest would get you about $85,000 if you do the job properly.
This Aluminum is probably not becoming an aircraft again, but wrapping foil or beer cans. Which is also an acceptable way of recycling, although it means a downgrade it still saves resources.
The term recycling is misused these days regularly, because often we do just "recycle" the energy content in the materials (typically plastics) by burning them. They seriously call that "thermal recycling"... And it is not new, we already burned used tyres in the cement industry more than half a century ago.
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Volume,
Note what you say but from experience of bringing down a B747-400 properly, for the little more effort and costs, you can separate the titanium, stainless steel, seats from the composites, plastics, fabric, and make a lot more money.
Note what you say but from experience of bringing down a B747-400 properly, for the little more effort and costs, you can separate the titanium, stainless steel, seats from the composites, plastics, fabric, and make a lot more money.
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Just smashing it up - whoever was doing that didn't know what they were doing.
Even if the senior guy in a company has the necessary expertise chances are that the workers won't have a clue and any attempt to rein them in and force them to do things properly will lead to strikes and unrest.
Heck, these days we can't even do something as simple as keeping the lights on!
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IMHO, no.
Have visited and worked in SA over the years and do understand your comments. Perhaps the next time an aircraft needs disposing of, someone may see the value in going about it in the proper manner but, as you say, even that may not work.
IMHO, no.
Have visited and worked in SA over the years and do understand your comments. Perhaps the next time an aircraft needs disposing of, someone may see the value in going about it in the proper manner but, as you say, even that may not work.
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Does anybody know the spare part situation for 747s? More spare parts than flying aircraft on the market or the other way around? Maybe the value of most LRUs on that plane is close to zero, when many airlines sell their stock as they phase out the model. If you can get a hydraulic pump or a recirculation fan of the shelf with zero hours, why bothering to get it from a wreak ?
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If I left 95 tons of aluminium in front of my house in Cape Town it would be gone by the next morning. And all the wiring too.
Might find a couple of plastic teaspoons...
Might find a couple of plastic teaspoons...
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You may be right.
I was there most of the time while they took the aircraft apart.
I can tell you that most of the seats and Avionics where destroyed with the aircraft.
I did a research and could not find where BA took a Hull Loss.
Cheers
You may be right.
I was there most of the time while they took the aircraft apart.
I can tell you that most of the seats and Avionics where destroyed with the aircraft.
I did a research and could not find where BA took a Hull Loss.
Cheers