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Old 10th Feb 2014, 08:15
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Interesting that BA would share sensitive commercial decisions with their apprentices.
I'm sure they didn't but if you work for BA in that area then you will no doubt 'hear' things.
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Losing G-YMMM quite so recently might sway the decision, two heavies written off in six years is harder to swallow than one write off since 1985.
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I very much doubt that sentiment will come into the decision.

Under the current operational parameters set by IAG I am pretty sure that it will be a hard-nosed financial decision based on the number of airframes needed ro service the schedule and the cost of repairing NLL (which has just been through a major check vs the cost of putting another airframe through a major check, and the investment return over the projected period of service.
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Old 10th Feb 2014, 23:00
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From what I have heard the damage looks far worse than it is, the main structure of the wing is ok but the spar etc will need intensive checking, the main damage is to "bolt on parts" of which there are plenty available from other retired airframes.
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Old 11th Feb 2014, 08:36
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I can't see why this BA incident is still being described as 'sensitive'
It's the decision re repair/scrap that's being described as sensitive, rather than the original incident (for which other adjectives might be more appropriate ).
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Old 15th Feb 2014, 00:12
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Confirmed As Written Off According To Jethro:
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Old 15th Feb 2014, 00:44
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Who is "Jethro"?

All the senior ranks in BA are being very tight lipped about the incident and the aircraft, so either "Jethro" is guessing or is remarkably well connected to someone on a very high pay grade within BA...

Oh, FWIW I agree with TopBunk (and others) - sentiment won't enter into the scrap/no scrap decision.
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Old 15th Feb 2014, 06:57
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Rarely known Jethro to be incorrect..........
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Old 15th Feb 2014, 23:06
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Pretty sure it will come down to an insurance decision. The Lloyds and Airclaims surveyors, together with the Boeing repair specialists will have assessed the damage and the cost of putting it back in the air. This will be compared to it's quoted book value at the last insurance renewal, (or value assessment if later due refurbishing etc.) BA will then be told what the underwriters will pay, be it repair or write off. It will be up to BA to make up the difference between write-off value and repair cost if they want to fly it again or buy the 'scrap' from the insurers to be retained as spares. Pretty much what others have said previously.
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Old 16th Feb 2014, 01:38
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QANTAS was a special case - IIRC they'd never had a hull loss accident, so there was considerable incentive to keep it that way.
Not since 1960 , and the Constellation in Mauritius .
It would be more accurate to say that they never lost a Jet plane .
Anyway very impressive ...
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Old 16th Feb 2014, 08:31
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Its being written off. Salvage of interiors, engines, spares et cetera - disposal of frame.
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Old 16th Feb 2014, 08:43
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Its being written off.
Surprise, surprise.
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Old 16th Feb 2014, 17:39
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either "Jethro" is guessing or is remarkably well connected
I never guess. No point in doing that. Info was confirmed by two completely independent sources. Oh, and while I’m here. ‘Remarkably well connected’ is also stretching it a wee bit.
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Old 16th Feb 2014, 17:40
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This 747 was beyond repair due to extensive damage to the wing roots.
It would need a new wing box and new wing at the least to fly a fee paying flight again. It's a sad dead but they are being phased out anyway and I am led to belive that the interior is being taken and put to another 747 d check.
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Old 16th Feb 2014, 17:47
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I am led to believe that the interior is being taken and put to another 747 D check.
Correct - with another 747 being retained to cover.
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extensive damage to the wing roots
Well there's an interesting opportunity to convert it to a hotel, restaurant or private residence with potential to hook up a simulator to the cockpit instruments. Wings not required; it could be towed on the body gear
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Old 16th Feb 2014, 23:05
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they are being phased out anyway
If you mean over the next 10 years or so the you may be right
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Old 17th Feb 2014, 16:13
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Oh, and while I’m here. ‘Remarkably well connected’ is also stretching it a wee bit.
Oh I don't know - it seem's you're better connected/have better lines of comms than several thousand pilots, many of them on the fleet in question who have ba.com e-mail addresses and also access to in-house comms.......
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 16:43
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G-BNLL to be scrapped/written off.

British Airways B747-400 G-BNLL Officially Withdrawn. | The BA Source
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 16:59
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This accident happened 2 months ago.

BA knows what happened.

The CAA will have been informed what happened. Given that the regulatory authority is required to give an initial report after 30 days I am surprised that nothing has been published yet.
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