SAA's non bail-out bail-out
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So many spleens being vented.
So much raw hatred.
Hope it makes you feel better, because it will have no other effect.
It won't change government policy.
It won't affect SAA in any way.
Basically you are impotent!!!!!!
So much raw hatred.
Hope it makes you feel better, because it will have no other effect.
It won't change government policy.
It won't affect SAA in any way.
Basically you are impotent!!!!!!
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"So many spleens being vented.
So much raw hatred."
Wow! TAVLA, has a raw nerve been touched? (The only 'hatred' that I have seen above is in posts like yours!!)
"Hope it makes you feel better, because it will have no other effect.
It won't change government policy.
It won't affect SAA in any way.
Basically you are impotent!!!!!!"
Have you people already been getting lessons from your future Far Eastern masters? What a dictatorial attitude!
Fortunately I live in a free country that doesn't have dictatorial attitudes like that. (I also live in a country where much, much, much more money is spent keeping crime down than is spent on bailing out airlines that can't hack it in the free market!! The ratio is "quite-a-lot:zero" on that one!)
Just enjoy that 'life support' while you can... no 'hating', just sympathy!
So much raw hatred."
Wow! TAVLA, has a raw nerve been touched? (The only 'hatred' that I have seen above is in posts like yours!!)
"Hope it makes you feel better, because it will have no other effect.
It won't change government policy.
It won't affect SAA in any way.
Basically you are impotent!!!!!!"
Have you people already been getting lessons from your future Far Eastern masters? What a dictatorial attitude!
Fortunately I live in a free country that doesn't have dictatorial attitudes like that. (I also live in a country where much, much, much more money is spent keeping crime down than is spent on bailing out airlines that can't hack it in the free market!! The ratio is "quite-a-lot:zero" on that one!)
Just enjoy that 'life support' while you can... no 'hating', just sympathy!
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Alternative, calling people with valid and realistic arguments "SAA haters" is like playing the race card
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I've been waiting for someone to say SAA is 'previously disadvantaged' because they had to fly 'round the bulge'!
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R18b in 8 years
So basically SAA has lost 6 million Rand a day every day for the last 8 years. Yip, thats an organisation worth saving.
So its being "recapitalised"? Why would a company thats been going for 75 old years need extenal capital? Because it never makes any of its own. They want more taxpayers money to by more equipment so they can lose even more money and get yet another "non-bailout" next year.
TIA
So its being "recapitalised"? Why would a company thats been going for 75 old years need extenal capital? Because it never makes any of its own. They want more taxpayers money to by more equipment so they can lose even more money and get yet another "non-bailout" next year.
TIA
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Loving the excitement about the pending decision on A380s for SAA. Bet the boyos are already sitting in front of the mirror, salivating at their own reflections while mouthing the word "super."
Gotta love the irony, considering they will be buying the machines for their employer.
I've heard of buying ratings, but only in SAA do you have to buy the plane too.
Gotta love the irony, considering they will be buying the machines for their employer.
I've heard of buying ratings, but only in SAA do you have to buy the plane too.
Paxing All Over The World
Unfortunately, we all know that SAA will survive in it's current form for some years. More money will be wasted and more a/c will be bought (think of all those purchasing trips to look at the shiny toys).
Eventually I expect, they will fail but only when the rest of the country is failing. This, after all, is Africa. Which means that having a national airline is an integral part of presidential power and pride. They need to show the rest of the world that they can do this too. Further, a national airline is a very good job creating scheme and THAT IS NOT to be thought all bad!! Jobs are needed and they might be created directly or indirectly, depending on the project. If the govt builds more houses they will also employ more people etc.
So it HAS to be biz as usual until the wheels come off. THAT moment is still some years away, although approaching with gathering speed.
(Whilst I live in the UK, I grew up there and have family and friends there. One branch of our family have lived in ZA since 1830. Many have run business' there and one currently works in the aviation field, so I do have some idea of the situation.)
Eventually I expect, they will fail but only when the rest of the country is failing. This, after all, is Africa. Which means that having a national airline is an integral part of presidential power and pride. They need to show the rest of the world that they can do this too. Further, a national airline is a very good job creating scheme and THAT IS NOT to be thought all bad!! Jobs are needed and they might be created directly or indirectly, depending on the project. If the govt builds more houses they will also employ more people etc.
So it HAS to be biz as usual until the wheels come off. THAT moment is still some years away, although approaching with gathering speed.
(Whilst I live in the UK, I grew up there and have family and friends there. One branch of our family have lived in ZA since 1830. Many have run business' there and one currently works in the aviation field, so I do have some idea of the situation.)
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@Paxbaby
You are just as pathetic, arogant and ignorant (with more than just a hint of racism) as you were years ago. Just like these other trolls, you too have achieved squat with your spleen venting and wishes of demise. But I guess you will again accuse me of taking an alternative username just to criticise.
Are any important people reading.....,......nooooooooooo.
Has Pprune ever made the slightest difference to anybodies life.......noooooooo.
But good luck- I am sure it makes you feel better.
IRP You need help sir.......
Trossie .. you are weird. No hate speech in my post, no personal comments, no nasty wishes of demise, no denouncing of country. But I guess you enjoyed another spleen vent.
You are just as pathetic, arogant and ignorant (with more than just a hint of racism) as you were years ago. Just like these other trolls, you too have achieved squat with your spleen venting and wishes of demise. But I guess you will again accuse me of taking an alternative username just to criticise.
Are any important people reading.....,......nooooooooooo.
Has Pprune ever made the slightest difference to anybodies life.......noooooooo.
But good luck- I am sure it makes you feel better.
IRP You need help sir.......
Trossie .. you are weird. No hate speech in my post, no personal comments, no nasty wishes of demise, no denouncing of country. But I guess you enjoyed another spleen vent.
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Aha, the race card, that took a while. Lets play!
And while we are at it, please explain why I need help?
I suggested bringing the salaries inline with market standard - to cut costs. Or get rid of the dead wood. This is international standard practice when an airline cannot make enough profit to keep on operating. I understand that its not a priority for SAA to have to make a profit, and that is on par with an unemployed teenage mother that is having her fifth baby in order to gain another R200 childcare grant. On some twisted pre-evolutionary level, that is perhaps a logical way to approach things - but not in the real world.
It's still going to get good at SAA over the next few years. Much excitemunt awaits.
Its easy to be arrogant when you don't have to show a profit, with another bailout hidden behind every door. But like all fairy tales, there is a definite ending. Bring on the brothers Grimm!
And while we are at it, please explain why I need help?
I suggested bringing the salaries inline with market standard - to cut costs. Or get rid of the dead wood. This is international standard practice when an airline cannot make enough profit to keep on operating. I understand that its not a priority for SAA to have to make a profit, and that is on par with an unemployed teenage mother that is having her fifth baby in order to gain another R200 childcare grant. On some twisted pre-evolutionary level, that is perhaps a logical way to approach things - but not in the real world.
It's still going to get good at SAA over the next few years. Much excitemunt awaits.
Its easy to be arrogant when you don't have to show a profit, with another bailout hidden behind every door. But like all fairy tales, there is a definite ending. Bring on the brothers Grimm!
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Clearly SAA's selection process is working...
Did a flight not to long ago where the P3 was top-dog at one of the domestic carriers. Over a few beers he admitted he was one of the most ardent SAA bashes. Now that he's crossed over he admits how wrong he was all those years.
Funny that
Did a flight not to long ago where the P3 was top-dog at one of the domestic carriers. Over a few beers he admitted he was one of the most ardent SAA bashes. Now that he's crossed over he admits how wrong he was all those years.
Funny that
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SAA
Come on we will all complain about SAA untill they call you to work there.
I would work there in a heart beat.
The problem is that I work for an Airline that will be closed down because they cant compete with SAA due to unlimited Funds.
Thats the problem.
Iam sure that all the guys and gals that work at SAA dont care about what going in SA with the Airlines losing money because of SAA.
I would work there in a heart beat.
The problem is that I work for an Airline that will be closed down because they cant compete with SAA due to unlimited Funds.
Thats the problem.
Iam sure that all the guys and gals that work at SAA dont care about what going in SA with the Airlines losing money because of SAA.
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TAVLA,
You have a serious, serious problem!! Your spleen must have been blown to pieces!! (Do you know what a spleen is?)
There is absolutely NO logic in any of your posts. You are seriously in need of an anger management course. And you really need to keep off that Castle or rooi wyn or 'Kilpies' or whatever it is that gets you going! I really, really hope that you don't fly aeroplanes, because you would be the first ever 'fail' on a CRM course anywhere in the civilised world (do you know how to spell 'CRM'?). My golly goodness, the thought of someone with attitudes like yours ever sitting up in the 'sharp end' of anything important flying into somewhere important is enough to fill a crusty old aviator with horror!!!
Now come on, grow up a bit and if you think that SAA is so defensible, let us hear a logical defence. No rambling rubbish, just logic. Please try to surprise us on this?
You have a serious, serious problem!! Your spleen must have been blown to pieces!! (Do you know what a spleen is?)
There is absolutely NO logic in any of your posts. You are seriously in need of an anger management course. And you really need to keep off that Castle or rooi wyn or 'Kilpies' or whatever it is that gets you going! I really, really hope that you don't fly aeroplanes, because you would be the first ever 'fail' on a CRM course anywhere in the civilised world (do you know how to spell 'CRM'?). My golly goodness, the thought of someone with attitudes like yours ever sitting up in the 'sharp end' of anything important flying into somewhere important is enough to fill a crusty old aviator with horror!!!
Now come on, grow up a bit and if you think that SAA is so defensible, let us hear a logical defence. No rambling rubbish, just logic. Please try to surprise us on this?
