Ethiopian Airlines?!?!?
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Better get your payscales updated. They never made $ 2000 even including per diem. In a normal month per diem is higher than the salary.
CRM is non existing. Duty times and minimum rest is never upheld.
Yes they like to fly with Expats, because they get to fly once in a while.
Many Local Pilots and Expats are leaving, local pilots mostly from B 767 but also B 737 and 767 to Emirates and Etihad. Money talks.
CRM is non existing. Duty times and minimum rest is never upheld.
Yes they like to fly with Expats, because they get to fly once in a while.
Many Local Pilots and Expats are leaving, local pilots mostly from B 767 but also B 737 and 767 to Emirates and Etihad. Money talks.
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So, without dwelling on the details, it is a cr@p operation, that pays peanuts & hopes for better than monkeys , and you don't (really) want to be SLF there, and most probably not working there either. . . OK, I have got it ! 
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I guess you can find negative comments on any airline in the world in this forum.
Et could be not the best place to work, but they are offering an acceptable real 20-10 commuting contract (not the 6 weeks on 2 off of many asian airlines). The paycheck is always perfectly on time and the work environment both in the air and on the ground is nice.
At least in the long haul fleet i found good and professional local first officers, (i don't know the situation on the 737 or Q400 where FOs are coming directly from the ET accademy).
Of course this is only my personal experience, but the reality is not so bad as it is often described
Et could be not the best place to work, but they are offering an acceptable real 20-10 commuting contract (not the 6 weeks on 2 off of many asian airlines). The paycheck is always perfectly on time and the work environment both in the air and on the ground is nice.
At least in the long haul fleet i found good and professional local first officers, (i don't know the situation on the 737 or Q400 where FOs are coming directly from the ET accademy).
Of course this is only my personal experience, but the reality is not so bad as it is often described
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ET safe arrival
what ever its worth last week was passing thru LOS an ET md 11 made a miss approach 18R and was been given vectors back to same the crew kept on requesting different heights and headings within terminal area and ended up landing 18L with clearance for 18R granted. The tower guy almost went beserk at point of touchdown but composed himself after landing roll and said to ET you were not aligned centerline on final. ET mumbled something. That was the end of the drama with ET that day as there were other shows presented by DANA, IRS etc.
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Expats(western) can never do no wrong according to some on this forum
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Its abit tiring to read these self righteous and gods of the sky in pprune, think i'm soon bailing out, nothing constructive especially on rest of the world threads just alot of bashing of "third world companies" that employ them when their own have no room for them. Tiring
,Its abit tiring to read these self righteous and gods of the sky in pprune, think i'm soon bailing out, nothing constructive especially on rest of the world threads just alot of bashing of "third world companies" that employ them when their own have no room for them. Tiring
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Why do people post nonsense about airlines like ET, clearly the post by aircraftflyer or whatever is something he has made up and its a shame people post on a so called "professional" forum with questionable facts.
The mods are failing on this and hence people are simply using PPRUNE as a platform to slander and malign organizations or airlines they know nothing about or have an axe to grind with, maybe Etihad was right in stopping all discussions about them here, clearly no level headed discussions ever takes place here anymore, what with the blatant bias we see from the western pilots on here who are a majority.
That is why they will tell you things like Air france is still safe despite their crew stalling a perfectly flyable aeroplane and turn around and spew slime on ET
Who doesn't know the AF crash was also largely in part due to pilot error, hell my stall recovery training has been changed since this accident.
The mods are failing on this and hence people are simply using PPRUNE as a platform to slander and malign organizations or airlines they know nothing about or have an axe to grind with, maybe Etihad was right in stopping all discussions about them here, clearly no level headed discussions ever takes place here anymore, what with the blatant bias we see from the western pilots on here who are a majority.
That is why they will tell you things like Air france is still safe despite their crew stalling a perfectly flyable aeroplane and turn around and spew slime on ET
Who doesn't know the AF crash was also largely in part due to pilot error, hell my stall recovery training has been changed since this accident.
Meanwhile, Ethiopian Airlines and the government have denied that a perfectly good aircraft(unike the AF plane which did experience instrumentation failures) crashed due to pilot incompetence. They come up with ridiculous statements about it being a bomb or missile that caused the 737 crash while hinting at an aircraft fault as well.
Quite pathetic actually. Actually...very scarey.
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@ Jammed Stab,
I did admit that ET as an Airline has issues to sort out, and i'm not sold on the missile theory that has been peddled on some middle eastern websites, but i do take issue with the fact that discussions will get sidetracked and people will start posting nonsense like anonymous letters from ET pilots wanting to go on strike, or terms of employment of an Airline they haven't worked for, get into mud slinging matches on who flies what, the issue being debated just gets muddled in somewhere amid stonethrowing. Whereas when you read threads say on AF447 for example there's very little thread drift, issues are discussed soberly and people do their research before posting. point in case just read the What's going on In Nigeria thread.
Criticism is part of being a pilot, Hell i expect that every six months on my LPC's and OPC's, but it should be geared towards finding solutions and making our skies safer place to be.
I did admit that ET as an Airline has issues to sort out, and i'm not sold on the missile theory that has been peddled on some middle eastern websites, but i do take issue with the fact that discussions will get sidetracked and people will start posting nonsense like anonymous letters from ET pilots wanting to go on strike, or terms of employment of an Airline they haven't worked for, get into mud slinging matches on who flies what, the issue being debated just gets muddled in somewhere amid stonethrowing. Whereas when you read threads say on AF447 for example there's very little thread drift, issues are discussed soberly and people do their research before posting. point in case just read the What's going on In Nigeria thread.
Criticism is part of being a pilot, Hell i expect that every six months on my LPC's and OPC's, but it should be geared towards finding solutions and making our skies safer place to be.
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ET's FACT filled response to the Lebanese report.
Detailed response to factual inaccuracies, distortions and misinterpretations
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...nal_Report.pdf
Other Attachements:
- Official letter
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...ial_letter.pdf
Part I executive summary:
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...e_Appended.pdf
Attachment 1 ATC incident report
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...ent_report.pdf
Attachment 2 Correspondence letter
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...nce_letter.pdf
Press release:
Ethiopian | Press Releases | Press Releases Archive
Detailed response to factual inaccuracies, distortions and misinterpretations
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...nal_Report.pdf
Other Attachements:
- Official letter
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...ial_letter.pdf
Part I executive summary:
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...e_Appended.pdf
Attachment 1 ATC incident report
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...ent_report.pdf
Attachment 2 Correspondence letter
http://www.flyethiopian.com/en/docs/...nce_letter.pdf
Press release:
Ethiopian | Press Releases | Press Releases Archive
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There is not a single Ethiopian trained on the MD-11. All those who fly them are ex-pats, most of whom english is not their native language.
Bull****, There are Local and expats on ET MD11 both captain and FOs. as in all other airlplanes in the fleet except the 777 where crews are all Ethiopians.
Local Pilots don't like the MD11 because with only two aircraft, the network is very limited and repetitive, but is the company that decides the fleet assignement.
Local Md11 pilots are anyway very professional and well trained and, no, i'm not ethiopian myself.
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Guys, I've gotta get on the bandwagon here about talking smack about ET. Is it Emirates? NO! Is it better than Arik? YES! I trained with the ET guys at the same time at Boeing while they were doing their 78 course and all were professional, friendly and their instructors(Bad teeth Brits and retired Delta and United Captains) all had good things to say. I've never been treated better than I have been as a pax on ET. Even when I was at a major airline mentioned above non-revving as a pax. Do the Ethiopians want foreign pilots? Probably not. Is the airline growing and pays on time and offers a reasonable commuting schedule? Yes. Are a bunch of whiney Euro skygods going there with a chip on their shoulder and an overwhelming sense of entitlement and superiority? Yes! Do these guys jump ship every 6 months either voluntarily of forcefully and slander their previous employers? Is living and working in Afrika a pain in the ass? Yes! If it sucks so bad, go to China and see how you like it. That's if they'll take you after so many guys went there based on false pretenses and pencil whipped log books from a certain bankrupt southern european country(NOT Greece you malakas). And btw, I'm not Ethiopian and I have to wear sunscreen at the beach.
you malakas). And btw, I'm not Ethiopian and I have to wear sunscreen at the beach.
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Flight Rules
What you say is true. In addition they violate on a regular basic the duty and flight time limitations. You are required not to fly over 32 hours in 7 days. Most pilots of ET violate this rule and the ET CAA do not enforce this rule. If you are at or near the limit then scheduling will call you to fly even tho they know you will be violating the flight time limitations. If you denied they will be called into the office to explain you turn down the trip. Talk to management and scheduling has something over management. They say in training not to violate the rule, but in the next breath they knowing violate the rules. Not only the weekly but monthly and yearly rules.