SAA nepotism???
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In the days when I was on secondment as a cavalry officer to the British army it was not unknown for the wives and mistresses of an impecunious officer to sleep with their husband or lover's superior officer in order to gain advancement upon the ladder of promotion for their loved one. In these days of the internet surely the arrangement of a suitable website for something as mutually rewarding as this would be easy enough to organise?
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"Sleep with their husband or lover's superior officer......"
Where do i sign them (wife,sister,mother,step-mother,maid, friends daughter/s) up??
Can i have CP at SAA for all of them??
Can i have CP at SAA for all of them??
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Come on guys.
If your Son was a up and comming pilot, would you not help him get the job?
I would thats for sure.
Some airline in the States don't allow family members to work in the same Airline.
SAA does not have that policy.
If your Son was a up and comming pilot, would you not help him get the job?
I would thats for sure.
Some airline in the States don't allow family members to work in the same Airline.
SAA does not have that policy.
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I agree with Four Engine Jock. If a pilot has served at SAA and is a senior SAA pilot, and is in good standing, why should the selection committee not give their kids preference? It also goes the other way where we have SAA pilots who are not in good standing and their kids will never be hired by SAA, often because they tend to have the same traits as their father.
As long as the candidate meets the same experience levels as the other pilots being interviewed, they will have a better chance of getting the position if their father is an SAA pilot in good standing.
Life's not fair, especially if you are a white male in South Africa. My advice is to get to know some SAA pilots who are respected within SAA circles and get them to contact one of the selection committee members a few days before the interview to let them know what a good guy you are. Just make sure you are a good guy and not a former SAA basher!!
As long as the candidate meets the same experience levels as the other pilots being interviewed, they will have a better chance of getting the position if their father is an SAA pilot in good standing.
Life's not fair, especially if you are a white male in South Africa. My advice is to get to know some SAA pilots who are respected within SAA circles and get them to contact one of the selection committee members a few days before the interview to let them know what a good guy you are. Just make sure you are a good guy and not a former SAA basher!!
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Did I marry my sister?
The salacious thought of scrubling up with a sympathetic sibling bring tears to the eyes.
Had I had one and had I also been a Pharoah then I would have married her and established a divine line of pilots of the golden barge to fly the tailed bird of Horus through the skies of today for Egyptair.
However since that's probably more information that most African pilots can ingest, compress or even comprehend without getting a severe dose of feathers let me remind you that we are only talking here about something as trivial as a personal recommendations. The sort of context in which I can safely say that my son is superior in his computer skills to yours just as my son would defend with skilled oratory the fact that his father is a finer flyer than is yours.
(Note: African pilots of course refers to pilots in Africa as opposed to any other form or variety of African pilots.)
The salacious thought of scrubling up with a sympathetic sibling bring tears to the eyes.
Had I had one and had I also been a Pharoah then I would have married her and established a divine line of pilots of the golden barge to fly the tailed bird of Horus through the skies of today for Egyptair.
However since that's probably more information that most African pilots can ingest, compress or even comprehend without getting a severe dose of feathers let me remind you that we are only talking here about something as trivial as a personal recommendations. The sort of context in which I can safely say that my son is superior in his computer skills to yours just as my son would defend with skilled oratory the fact that his father is a finer flyer than is yours.
(Note: African pilots of course refers to pilots in Africa as opposed to any other form or variety of African pilots.)
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Nepotism exists in every level of our society. Look at what parents “donate” to schools to advance the interests of their offspring... The job market is exactly the same, how many of you didn’t get a break by knowing someone or having a mate drop off your cv and put in a good word? I for one, have flown with a number of pilots whose parents fly for SAA, each one I have found to be passionate, driven and very competent. If one day he gets into SAA because his CV hit the top of the pile then good luck to him/her. There are just as many “nobody’s” who Ive flown with who are now at Emirates flying trip7’s. Stop worrying about the other guys, focus on where you want your career to go.
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Definition of Nepotism: "Favoritism granted to relatives or friends regardless of merit".
Someone, whose father is a captain and has taken him/her to flights on Cessna since kid and told stories in dinner table from the airline is in advantageous position. Later father is around to help on the books when reading PPL/CPL/IR examples. Finally, father tells HR on coffee break that his kid has got all the papers, vouches for his/her competence and asks if and interview can organized. Father tells kid what HR will asking for, what HR enjoys hearing etc.
Somewhere else, someone whose fathers parenting consisted of beating kids when drunk, worked ass off earning enough money to get the same papers. Without as much money, chooses a cheaper school with not as good teachers. Arrives to the same interview as captains kid, unprepared.
Who of the above will HR choose? Unfair? yes, life is. Nepotism? not.
Another case would be if the said airline has an AB-initio program, and "Captains kid" is chosen even thou more capable kids were interviewed.
That would be clear nepotism.
Real life, as usual, is more complex. The difference between "advantage due knowledge in family" and "nepotism" is sometimes really small.
Someone, whose father is a captain and has taken him/her to flights on Cessna since kid and told stories in dinner table from the airline is in advantageous position. Later father is around to help on the books when reading PPL/CPL/IR examples. Finally, father tells HR on coffee break that his kid has got all the papers, vouches for his/her competence and asks if and interview can organized. Father tells kid what HR will asking for, what HR enjoys hearing etc.
Somewhere else, someone whose fathers parenting consisted of beating kids when drunk, worked ass off earning enough money to get the same papers. Without as much money, chooses a cheaper school with not as good teachers. Arrives to the same interview as captains kid, unprepared.
Who of the above will HR choose? Unfair? yes, life is. Nepotism? not.
Another case would be if the said airline has an AB-initio program, and "Captains kid" is chosen even thou more capable kids were interviewed.
That would be clear nepotism.
Real life, as usual, is more complex. The difference between "advantage due knowledge in family" and "nepotism" is sometimes really small.
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Proper definition of nepotism
Dictionary.com
nep⋅o⋅tism [nep-uh-tiz-uhm]
–noun
patronage bestowed or favoritism shown on the basis of family relationship, as in business and politics: She was accused of nepotism when she made her nephew an officer of the firm.
Origin: 1655–65; < It nepotismo. See nephew, -ism
Oxford Dictionary:
Pronunciation:/ˈnɛpətɪz(ə)m/
noun
[mass noun]
the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
Collins:
Using your power or influence to get good jobs or give unfair advantages to friend or family members
nep⋅o⋅tism [nep-uh-tiz-uhm]
–noun
patronage bestowed or favoritism shown on the basis of family relationship, as in business and politics: She was accused of nepotism when she made her nephew an officer of the firm.
Origin: 1655–65; < It nepotismo. See nephew, -ism
Oxford Dictionary:
Pronunciation:/ˈnɛpətɪz(ə)m/
noun
[mass noun]
the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
Collins:
Using your power or influence to get good jobs or give unfair advantages to friend or family members
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Dont you mean FLY ON WATER.
One of the the guys who can fly on water had some one pushed off an intake and his son put on instead.
NEPOTISM will always be there.
In South African Aviation it is not what you know but who you know.
Other airlines were also a SAAF old boys club and if you were not military enough you did not get in even if you knew 3 out 5 members in the panel
It is also not the end of the world to NOT fly for SAA.
Dont you mean FLY ON WATER.
One of the the guys who can fly on water had some one pushed off an intake and his son put on instead.
NEPOTISM will always be there.
In South African Aviation it is not what you know but who you know.
Other airlines were also a SAAF old boys club and if you were not military enough you did not get in even if you knew 3 out 5 members in the panel
It is also not the end of the world to NOT fly for SAA.
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As a father, and if I thought my son were up to the job, I'd push someone off an intake for his sake. Ye gods and little fishes, his mother would never leave me alone if I blew her child's career out of the water by not doing so! As a dutiful son, I'd be eternally grateful in acceptance and perhaps a little guilty until I realised that the other lad's father would have cut my throat in turn. Such activities form part of inheritance or birth right and have the great advantage that they're tax free! Do you think I'm going to feed you when my family are hungry?
The only people who moan about not receiving the benefits of such a trickle down form of inherited wealth are either those who do not benefit directly from the activities of their ancestors or those on welfare. Those in the former group should start work and breed their own dynasty. Those in the second can only gnash their teeth at the infuriating knowledge that such nepotism is indeed tax free and thus does not provide them directly to an ill deserved luxurious welfare existence.
The only people who moan about not receiving the benefits of such a trickle down form of inherited wealth are either those who do not benefit directly from the activities of their ancestors or those on welfare. Those in the former group should start work and breed their own dynasty. Those in the second can only gnash their teeth at the infuriating knowledge that such nepotism is indeed tax free and thus does not provide them directly to an ill deserved luxurious welfare existence.
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Here is the real numbers: since Jan 2010, 46 positions were filled at SAA. 6 of these members were directly related to people in the airline. Nepotism? If you think SAA has over 800 pilots alone, being related to someone in the airline is not such a huge feat looking at total pilot numbers in SA. Just a thought!
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Nepotism At Saa
SAA recruits on merit, not debit. If you are pilot material it will
definitely show in the psychometrics and personality tests
and they will pick you up.
Ever flown with SAA line pilots before and seen how good they are?
If not yet, try that.
definitely show in the psychometrics and personality tests
and they will pick you up.
Ever flown with SAA line pilots before and seen how good they are?
If not yet, try that.
