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Wow, and Airlink/RF doesn't feel lucky to have you bitter and twisted folk on board? Its an outcry! You should be appreciative of the job and opportunity, the queue of people needing a job is long.
Remember, flying a turbine powered pressurised aeroplane is neither difficult nor dangerous. In years to come a machine will do it on its own so enjoy it while you can. You are not superstars to anyone accept your own mothers, a good dose of humility would go a long way here. Grow up and be grateful for what you have been given.
And Champagne boy, why don't you take all you have learned from your 2 books and see how far it gets you in the real world? Start your own regional airline and show us all how its done? Its easy to be a Monday morning quarterback but remember RF probably achieves more before breakfast than you have achieved...well...ever.
And for RF being elusive? Call the office and say " Can I speak to RF, please" and voila! Its as easy as that, I can tell you from personal experience. But truth be told you haven't got the courage of your convictions, do you? Its far easier whine on Pprune. Pathetic weed.
And no, I don't work for Link.
Remember, flying a turbine powered pressurised aeroplane is neither difficult nor dangerous. In years to come a machine will do it on its own so enjoy it while you can. You are not superstars to anyone accept your own mothers, a good dose of humility would go a long way here. Grow up and be grateful for what you have been given.
And Champagne boy, why don't you take all you have learned from your 2 books and see how far it gets you in the real world? Start your own regional airline and show us all how its done? Its easy to be a Monday morning quarterback but remember RF probably achieves more before breakfast than you have achieved...well...ever.
And for RF being elusive? Call the office and say " Can I speak to RF, please" and voila! Its as easy as that, I can tell you from personal experience. But truth be told you haven't got the courage of your convictions, do you? Its far easier whine on Pprune. Pathetic weed.
And no, I don't work for Link.
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The books Champs quoted both happen to be very good as well as relevant to airlines today.
Go try read them yourself, especially the one by Sullenberger! ("Who's that?" I can hear you thinking) Very pertinent to lots of airlines and other enterprises today.
You too suffer from the delusion that an airliner flies itself and can easily be replaced by a machine of sorts. Wrong!! Not for a very long time yet! Very especially when things go wrong, as they are want to do in the air....
No doubt you are some poor airline's manager of sorts, heaven help them.
Further probable that you are either a wannabe pilot since being a little boy and couldn't hack it or the other option is that you are one of those despicable pilots which we see so much of nowadays who sticks his colleagues in the back with a blunt knife to get ahead of them...... Very noble!
Yes, I do fly for SA Airlink as a line pilot.
No, you cannot just contact the CEO. There is a rigid chain of command to be followed so that you do not disturb him or ask awkward questions.
Yes, he very certainly WILL fire you if he finds out who you are; his track record for firing pilots at the drop of a pin is legend. He surrounds himself with lackeys who tell him what he wants to hear, never anything what he doesn't like hearing, irrespective wheather accurate or not. That will be his legacy too.
No, the airline is NOT his. He does have shares in it but not majority. So he has no claim to "His airline" either. THE airline needs pilots to fly the planes to make them money. He hates that more than even you do.......
And as for what this all has to do with JVJ, well guess who head-hunted JVJ and appointed him to do what? Mmmmm
Go try read them yourself, especially the one by Sullenberger! ("Who's that?" I can hear you thinking) Very pertinent to lots of airlines and other enterprises today.
You too suffer from the delusion that an airliner flies itself and can easily be replaced by a machine of sorts. Wrong!! Not for a very long time yet! Very especially when things go wrong, as they are want to do in the air....
No doubt you are some poor airline's manager of sorts, heaven help them.
Further probable that you are either a wannabe pilot since being a little boy and couldn't hack it or the other option is that you are one of those despicable pilots which we see so much of nowadays who sticks his colleagues in the back with a blunt knife to get ahead of them...... Very noble!
Yes, I do fly for SA Airlink as a line pilot.
No, you cannot just contact the CEO. There is a rigid chain of command to be followed so that you do not disturb him or ask awkward questions.
Yes, he very certainly WILL fire you if he finds out who you are; his track record for firing pilots at the drop of a pin is legend. He surrounds himself with lackeys who tell him what he wants to hear, never anything what he doesn't like hearing, irrespective wheather accurate or not. That will be his legacy too.
No, the airline is NOT his. He does have shares in it but not majority. So he has no claim to "His airline" either. THE airline needs pilots to fly the planes to make them money. He hates that more than even you do.......
And as for what this all has to do with JVJ, well guess who head-hunted JVJ and appointed him to do what? Mmmmm
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If you don't like working at Link then why don't you leave? Why should the company care what you think, let alone change to suit you? Link hasn't changed in the last 10 years so why did you take the job if the company didn't appeal to you? Move over and give someone else a chance.
Fuzzy is right, its not a difficult job. Its boring, its repetitive and completely procedure driven. There is no judgement left, you do what the book says, full stop the end. You are not hero's of the sky, you are machine operators.
We all know you are only there until you get you wet dream opportunity to fly something bigger and shinier for Emirates or Cathey (yawn) at which point Link will enjoy the full brunt of your loyalty. So why don't you just shut up and do your job, like you agreed to in your letter of appointment?
Fuzzy is right, its not a difficult job. Its boring, its repetitive and completely procedure driven. There is no judgement left, you do what the book says, full stop the end. You are not hero's of the sky, you are machine operators.
We all know you are only there until you get you wet dream opportunity to fly something bigger and shinier for Emirates or Cathey (yawn) at which point Link will enjoy the full brunt of your loyalty. So why don't you just shut up and do your job, like you agreed to in your letter of appointment?
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All superstars in your own lunchtime, take the advice from the books, and start your own operation, show us all how it is done, superpilot style, what does the beancounter know about managing finances anyway, suppose that board exam for a chartered accountant does not even compare to the superduper ATPL...
And as far as ******* up a airline is concerned, I suppose it was R F that landed that 41 on the school, or JVJ that shagged the cat and ran off the runway .... NO MY LITTLE PEDIGREE CHUMS.......IT WAS ALL SUPERPILOTS....that decided to think and not do, bad monkey.
Quick to forget those little mishaps hey? every single person in Airlink should be glad they still have a job today.
And yes, I work both sides of the table, I guarantee you this, your little pilot brain cannot begin to comprehend what goes on behind the scenes.
Leave the thinking to the people that pay your salaries, and do what you are told....dance monkey dance...
And as far as ******* up a airline is concerned, I suppose it was R F that landed that 41 on the school, or JVJ that shagged the cat and ran off the runway .... NO MY LITTLE PEDIGREE CHUMS.......IT WAS ALL SUPERPILOTS....that decided to think and not do, bad monkey.
Quick to forget those little mishaps hey? every single person in Airlink should be glad they still have a job today.
And yes, I work both sides of the table, I guarantee you this, your little pilot brain cannot begin to comprehend what goes on behind the scenes.
Leave the thinking to the people that pay your salaries, and do what you are told....dance monkey dance...
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KRONOS your statement is just this:yuk, as is most of your post..
(NO MY LITTLE PEDIGREE CHUMS.......IT WAS ALL SUPERPILOTS....that decided to think and not do, bad monkey, )
So you think all pilots are idiots and fools and should`t be able to think..unlike you who serves both sides of the table..and seems to know everything about managing and accounting and accountability to employees etc, then you are truly a God given gift to aviation..!
(NO MY LITTLE PEDIGREE CHUMS.......IT WAS ALL SUPERPILOTS....that decided to think and not do, bad monkey, )
So you think all pilots are idiots and fools and should`t be able to think..unlike you who serves both sides of the table..and seems to know everything about managing and accounting and accountability to employees etc, then you are truly a God given gift to aviation..!
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Malagant,
Thank you for the compliment....
ACCOUNTABILITY, go look it up in your company manuals, and see who has a signature there, accepting this onto themselves, in a personal capacity, accountability for your actions, they are accountable in a court of law...not you.
Not even in your reference framework that every single action you take outside of the set company guidelines, put most of the management team directly in harms way, yet you have the odacity to dictate how a airline should be run?
As I said, dont get mad, get even, and show the aviation world how it is done.
Thank you for the compliment....
ACCOUNTABILITY, go look it up in your company manuals, and see who has a signature there, accepting this onto themselves, in a personal capacity, accountability for your actions, they are accountable in a court of law...not you.
Not even in your reference framework that every single action you take outside of the set company guidelines, put most of the management team directly in harms way, yet you have the odacity to dictate how a airline should be run?
As I said, dont get mad, get even, and show the aviation world how it is done.
Está servira para distraerle.
Well I dare say that this thread is rather getting away from the hero of the original motion, the JVJ of notoriety of a calibre according to one's taste.
As for accountability, I would have thought that Airlink have done a brilliantly fantastic job of avoiding it after all the crashes and incidents and interviews of the last couple of years. It's all down to a spot of bother of course and you've certainly got to admire the management of a company that can have all those problems and yet apparently skitter most gracefully away from them all without any apparent official sanctions other than what would seem to be a delicate slap on the wrist from another hero of aviation who can do no wrong in this part of the hemisphere. If I flew for Airlink, I'd put my head down and accept the fact that the bosses detest my guts. Mutual loathing is good for the soul. It keeps the adrenaline flowing. I'm superior to them anyway so they might as well pay me to do what I find boring but amusing. They've certainly proved that they can keep a business going in the face of considerable adversity. I wouldn't want to speculate on whether, in a country with a more stringent regulatory, they'd have lost their own jobs as well as the company but their ability for self preservation is commendable. In these hard days I'd rather be riding on their wagon than trying to paint the sky from my own palette.
As for accountability, I would have thought that Airlink have done a brilliantly fantastic job of avoiding it after all the crashes and incidents and interviews of the last couple of years. It's all down to a spot of bother of course and you've certainly got to admire the management of a company that can have all those problems and yet apparently skitter most gracefully away from them all without any apparent official sanctions other than what would seem to be a delicate slap on the wrist from another hero of aviation who can do no wrong in this part of the hemisphere. If I flew for Airlink, I'd put my head down and accept the fact that the bosses detest my guts. Mutual loathing is good for the soul. It keeps the adrenaline flowing. I'm superior to them anyway so they might as well pay me to do what I find boring but amusing. They've certainly proved that they can keep a business going in the face of considerable adversity. I wouldn't want to speculate on whether, in a country with a more stringent regulatory, they'd have lost their own jobs as well as the company but their ability for self preservation is commendable. In these hard days I'd rather be riding on their wagon than trying to paint the sky from my own palette.
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Business....
Cheetah...eloquent as always, though somewhat wasted on the youth frequenting this forum.
Champagne boy, world cynic, malagant....words fail me, but you should do yourself a favour and read up on some real business journals, I prefer Dilberts way of the weasel, and having fun at the expense of your co-workers, they are the true foundations of business principal.
Now please, grow a pair, go tell JVJ to his face what you think of him, kick him in the nuts, make an appointment with RF or write a letter that view your concerns and advice.
Champagne boy, world cynic, malagant....words fail me, but you should do yourself a favour and read up on some real business journals, I prefer Dilberts way of the weasel, and having fun at the expense of your co-workers, they are the true foundations of business principal.
Now please, grow a pair, go tell JVJ to his face what you think of him, kick him in the nuts, make an appointment with RF or write a letter that view your concerns and advice.
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Diegroortwitbeen, blablabla, my reply was to a post by Kronos..but then again seeing we apparently know nothing about business please explain how the likes of you and Kronos would have run and saved for instance Nationwide which had one or two people that might have had some business acumen and qualified accountants etc? How many companies do you know were held accountable for an incident or accident, like for instance the Chieftain that crashed out of Rand a few years ago, how many companies do you know of that try save money by skimming on maintenance, is that sound business principals and being accountable? We might know nothing about business but Accountability is one thing that us under qualified bad monkeys in the left seat understand very well!! 
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So what did happen to the accountable manager at link after the 2 crashes? Shouldnt the accountable manager then sign the autho sheet?! I understand your position, but you make a grave mistake in assuming all pilots have below average intelligence. Its not rocket science, no, but I know of a few engineers, doctors, accountants and even guys with doctorates that are now pilots. I believe the expression is... Wind your neck in...!
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Hook, line, sinker, rod, reel, fisherboy........
KRONOS, you couldn't resist could you? 
By the way, there is only ONE chartered accountant at Airlink, and it's not you...... But there are quite a few wannabe chartered accountants, guys with a BA, honours, in ~economy. Mmmmm. That would put one in the rocket scientist/astronomer league huh? Well, certainly compared to a pilot. Someone with those "qualifications" is as much an accountant as what a paramedic is a Neurosurgeon!
Bottom line- You're not the smell off a pilots backside! And guess what else, you will never be a pilot in this life either! Put that in your smelly pipe and suck on it!
By the way, there is only ONE chartered accountant at Airlink, and it's not you...... But there are quite a few wannabe chartered accountants, guys with a BA, honours, in ~economy. Mmmmm. That would put one in the rocket scientist/astronomer league huh? Well, certainly compared to a pilot. Someone with those "qualifications" is as much an accountant as what a paramedic is a Neurosurgeon!
Bottom line- You're not the smell off a pilots backside! And guess what else, you will never be a pilot in this life either! Put that in your smelly pipe and suck on it!
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Whoo hoo
Hello girls,
Getting personal, now its a party, I like it.
Dash, good question, what did happen to the accountable manager? also what happened to the crew of the GRJ 135 excursion? and sorry, but no, I am having too much fun with the pilots to wind my neck in.
Cynic, hook line sinker fragile ego....
take a step back, and look who is playing whom like a fiddle, you mistakenly make the assumption that I may or may not be your peer, or even senior by far when it comes to flying a plane.The difference is that I know both sides of the business, you however do not, therefore my only trumpcard is not running around town telling all who will listen that I am a "pilot", and dispensing management advice to someone who has been doing this since you were in nappies,
now say yes captain, no captain, nice landing captain.
Getting personal, now its a party, I like it.
Dash, good question, what did happen to the accountable manager? also what happened to the crew of the GRJ 135 excursion? and sorry, but no, I am having too much fun with the pilots to wind my neck in.
Cynic, hook line sinker fragile ego....
take a step back, and look who is playing whom like a fiddle, you mistakenly make the assumption that I may or may not be your peer, or even senior by far when it comes to flying a plane.The difference is that I know both sides of the business, you however do not, therefore my only trumpcard is not running around town telling all who will listen that I am a "pilot", and dispensing management advice to someone who has been doing this since you were in nappies,
now say yes captain, no captain, nice landing captain.
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Malagant you really have no clue do you? What are you accountable for? When you fly you operate someone else's equipment, in their name. You have no financial risk, no reputational risk, no legal exposure, nothing.
When one of you superstars breaks the rules or bends an aeroplane the worst that happens is you slither off on your belly to a new job, leaving your hapless former employer to sort out the mess, or fight for survival.
If your suggestion is that you understand accountability because you can kill yourself through your own stupidity by crashing, then you have to concede that any typist driving home in a Tazz has equal accountability. Perhaps even higher.
The next Doctor or Accountant that I meet that gave up their profession to become a pilot will be the first. Whilst I don't suggest that all pilots are stupid, the fact is it doesn't require MENSA membership to be able to do the job, look around there is plenty of proof of that in your nearest pilot lounge.
Its not just JVJ that shows pilots the respect they deserve, its far more wide spread than that. If pilots want respect it about time they start acting respectably
When one of you superstars breaks the rules or bends an aeroplane the worst that happens is you slither off on your belly to a new job, leaving your hapless former employer to sort out the mess, or fight for survival.
If your suggestion is that you understand accountability because you can kill yourself through your own stupidity by crashing, then you have to concede that any typist driving home in a Tazz has equal accountability. Perhaps even higher.
The next Doctor or Accountant that I meet that gave up their profession to become a pilot will be the first. Whilst I don't suggest that all pilots are stupid, the fact is it doesn't require MENSA membership to be able to do the job, look around there is plenty of proof of that in your nearest pilot lounge.
Its not just JVJ that shows pilots the respect they deserve, its far more wide spread than that. If pilots want respect it about time they start acting respectably
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Well, this is a rumour network, but, I recently heard from my close contact at Link (currently), that the low-life JVJ is actually in a relationship with their CTC and has hence got access to rather important inside information of their company. Mmmmm, sounds juicy! Especially seeing as rumour has it that JVJ is taking RF to the Labour Court to be re-instated in his position in the company, where he will once again have free reign to do as much damage to the pilots as what he enjoys!
Believe me, he's NOT gone, and wants his little place in the sun back!
Believe me, he's NOT gone, and wants his little place in the sun back!
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Lager
What are you accountable for? When you fly you operate someone else's equipment, in their name. You have no financial risk, no reputational risk, no legal exposure, nothing.
Also, the typist in the Tazz doesn't hold 100-200 strangers lives in their hands, nor any potential victims on the ground below them either. And I'm an engineer.