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Old 5th Mar 2010, 05:20
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Few more changes and extras:

As per 12FEB10 GDS timetable display, El Al is to operate Boeing 747-400 instead of 767 on Tel Aviv – Johannesburg route from 25JUN10 and 02JUL10, replacing 767-200ER
Air Austral is tripling its capacity on 2 weekly St Denis de la Reunion – Johannesburg route during World Cup 2010. From 10JUN10 to 15JUL10, it is to operate 364-seater Boeing 777-200ER instead of 118-seater Boeing 737-500.

In addition, there is minor schedule change during this period. Schedule as follows:

UU371 RUN0750 – 1000JNB 772 7
UU341 RUN1120 – 1330JNB 772 4

UU372 JNB1150 – 1715RUN 772 7
UU342 JNB1520 – 2045RUN 772 4
TAP Portugal is operating extra services to Johannesburg during World Cup. Schedule as follows:

TP2283 LIS1805 – 0535+1JNB 332 09JUN10
TP2271 LIS1905 – 0635+1JNB 343 11JUN10/12JUN10/10JUL10
TP2273 LIS0950 – 2120JNB 332 13JUN10
TP2271 LIS1905 – 0635+1JNB 343 5 18JUN10 – 09JUL10
TP2273 LIS0950 – 2120JNB 332 6 19JUN10 – 10JUL10
TP2287 LIS1805 – 0550+1MPM0720+1 – 0830+1JNB 343 11JUL10

TP2283 JNB0705 – 0820MPM0945 – 1955LIS 332 10JUN10
TP2272 JNB0805 – 1745LIS 343 67 12JUN10 – 19JUN10
TP2272 JNB0805 – 1745LIS 343 6 20JUN10 – 10JUL10
TP2272 JNB0805 – 1745LIS 343 11JUL10
TP2270 JNB2250 – 0830+1LIS 332 6 19JUN10 – 17JUL10
TP2270 JNB2250 – 0830+1LIS 332 13JUN10
TP2287 JNB1000 – 1940LIS 343 12JUL10
From 28MAR10, Kenya Airways is increasing Nairobi – Johannesburg service from 21 to 22 weekly. During World Cup in June/July 2010, it is expanding capacity on this route to meet the increasing demand.

Details as follows:

KQ760 NBO0715 – 1025JNB EQV D
KQ762 NBO0910 – 1220JNB EQV D
KQ768 NBO1200 – 1510JNB 738 7 28MAR10-
KQ764 NBO2040 – 2350JNB EQV D

KQ765 JNB0040 – 0545NBO EQV D
KQ761 JNB1115 – 1620NBO EQV D
KQ763 JNB1340 – 1845NBO EQV D
KQ769 JNB1600 – 2105NBO 738 7 28MAR10-

World Cup Period Planned Aircraft operation from 06JUN10 to 11JUL10:
KQ760/761
738 06JUN – 07JUN / 14JUN / 16JUN / 18JUN / 20JUN – 23JUN / 25JUN / 02JUL – 03JUL / 06JUL – 11JUL
767 08JUN / 11JUN – 13JUN / 17JUN / 19JUN / 26JUN – 01JUL / 04JUL – 05JUL / 12JUL – 13JUL
772 09JUN – JUN / 15JUN / 24JUN

KQ762/763
73W 06JUN
738 07JUL / 09JUL / 16JUL
767 07JUN / 16JUN – 17JUN / 21JUN / 27JUN / 02JUL / 05JUL – 06JUL / 08JUL / JUL – 11JUL / 15JUL / 17JUL
772 08JUN – 15JUN / 18JUN – 20JUN / 22JUN – 26JUN / 28JUN – 01JUL / 03JUL – 04JUL / 12JUL – 14JUL

KQ768/769 738 (Sunday Only)

KQ764/765 (KQ765 departs JNB the following day)
738 06JUN – 07JUN / 14JUN – 19JUN / 21JUN – 23JUN / 29JUN – 02JUL / 05JUL – 17JUL
767 20JUN / 24JUN / 26JUN – 28JUN / 04JUL / 11JUL – 13JUL
772 08JUN – 13JUN / 25JUN / 03JUL
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Delta's additional:

DELTA is to operate extra Atlanta – Johannesburg NONSTOP service during the Soccer World Cup in South Africa in June and July 2010.
The increased service will also operates with Boeing 777-200LR. Schedule as follows:

DL200 ATL1925 – 1705+1JNB 77L D
DL201 JNB2020 – 0645+1ATL 77L D
DL102 ATL2120 – 1900+1JNB 77L 135 09JUN10 – 14JUN10
DL102 ATL2110 – 1850+1JNB 77L 19JUN10
DL102 ATL2105 – 1845+1JNB 77L 22JUN10
DL102 ATL2120 – 1900+1JNB 77L 11JUL10
DL103 JNB2100 – 0725+1ATL 77L 246 10JUN10 – 15JUN10
DL103 JNB2055 – 0720+1ATL 77L 20JUN10
DL103 JNB2100 – 0725+1ATL 77L 23JUN10/12JUL10
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There was an article in the travel section of the Saturday Star last weekend that said all but ONE camp (Skukuza) had been given back to Parks Board by the World Cup People . Now what has happened to all the South Africans with Confirmed bookings that were kicked out of the park for this period.

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Stadiums turning into white elephants?

London - Danny Jordaan, the 2010 South Africa World Cup supremo, said the future use of two stadiums built specially for the tournament hinged on their also becoming rugby union grounds.

"We need to make the stadiums viable... The central issue is whether rugby will move to the new stadiums. I think they will. Their stadiums were built in the 1950s," Jordaan, speaking in London, said Thursday.

Durban's Moses Mabhida Stadium, which has been built at a cost of 3.1 billion rand (413 million dollars) is right next door to the Kings Park home of the Sharks Super 14 rugby union team.
But the Sharks are so far showing no inclination to move, sparking fears the Mabhida Stadium may be unviable economically once the World Cup is over, leaving the city with an expensive white elephant.

There are similar concerns in Cape Town, where a new stadium in Green Point has cost an estimated one billion rand more than its Durban counterpart.

But the Stormers play at the Newlands ground, the home of rugby in Cape Town for over a hundred years, and the Western Province Rugby Union has maintained that is where the team will be staying after the football World Cup.

"These are emotional debates," Jordaan said. "The debate about the 'new' Wembley took five years in London.

"In Cape Town and Durban, the debate is still on." - Sapa-AFP
The article above was at IOL: News for South Africa and the World
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Quote from Hammer:

Wowsers....that is about 45 flights @400 per flight =18,000 people and if each one spends $1,000 in SA that is $18,000,000
The cost of he new stadiums and refurbishing the old ones , according to F2010 website is:
$2,222,000,000.

Lets try this math with the official figures from FIFA:

Expected foreign tourists (I admit this is high): 445000
Average spend per day: R1750
Average days per person: 16
Total foreign spending: R12.46 billion

Add to this the legacy in terms of improved infrastructure, the extra domestic spending by South Africans, TV revenue (FIFA sold it for EUR 1 billion), and the 1.5 billion people who will watch it on TV and its probably pretty good!
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Hi !
It is of course impossible to argue about such hypothetical figures, days of stay, spending, spending outside SA, etc.
The big money-I think-is in TV. FIFA have made billions from the writes for TV but what has SA reality been paid so that FIFA can 'sell' the TV to the world? Not a lot I will bet you?
FIFA will clear up big time. I heard that when the cup goes to England in 2014(?) that FIFA has already agreed with British government that no employee of FIFA (even a sweeper) will have to file a UK tax return or be liable for UK tax for the year of the cup. A very rich and powerful organisation which benefits at the expense of the host country?
Sure thing, no FIFA/no world cup. But it is a greedy beast and it is French of course which is amusing and ironic. I hope the show will be pretty good and even if it is not, you will read that it is. Mind you, I am going away for those four weeks. All those guys from the Argentine and Brazil coming here and all their women over there. There must be a tango or a salsa somewhere in waiting?

As for any legacy of infra structure, please continue to be so very humurous. The Mad Hatter's Tea Party? Jam tomorrow, jam yesterday but no jam today!
This is Africa. We don't do infra structure!
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I agree that the number of visitors is possibly a little high. The data on days and spending are in-line with research conducted on other events in South Africa (cricket and rugby world cups) and other soccer world cups. These numbers are probably an understatement since a significant number of people stay for all 6 weeks (mostly media over 10000, officials 500, etc).

FIFA do own the World Cup and the TV rights and essentially the country pays FIFA an amount in order to host the World Cup. FIFA does provide a fair amount of the TV rights to the local organizing committee. Even bigger than the TV rights are the corporate sponsorships which are also shared since some are local sponsors (i.e. FNB) while others are global (i.e. Coca Cola).

In terms of infrastructure here are some projects which will leave a legacy - these are just some of the government funded projects off the top of my head (never mind the private sector investments):
- Johannesburg airport: new central terminal, additions to international departures, new international pier, new parking deck
- Cape Town airport: new central terminal, new parking deck
- Durban: new airport altogether
- Major public transport: Gautrain, Johannesburg BRT, Cape Town IRT, Port Elizabeth BRT, redevelopment of Cape Town Station
- Major roads: redevelopment of Koeberg interchange on N1 in Cape Town, redevelopment of Hospital bend interchange on N2 in Cape Town, multiple highway capacity increases in Johannesburg

By the way, your comment on the UK in 2014 is rubbish since the 2014 World Cup has not even been awarded and Australia and the US are favorites to win the bid. Furthermore, such a tax exemption would be illegal under European law.
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Gautrain was never intended to be part of the FWC development.
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Well, I am sorry to say that I heard rubbish. I make apologies for getting 2014 so confused with 2018. But here, for the edification of your expertise on European tax law are the following. please fogive me if this was read in a totally unreliable source. Such is all we poor mortals have to rely upon.

World Cup 2018 officials would nutmeg UK tax - Accountancy Age

World Cup 2018: Gordon Brown makes £300m pledge to Fifa over England bid - Telegraph
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2014 WC has been awarded

and will be in Brazil
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There is a difference, FIFA are exempt from taxes on profits from the World Cup in South Africa too, as they were in Germany. This is in the host contract. But you were talking about payroll taxes on FIFA staff which is a different issue and worth a lot more money. On that issue, the article you speak about is incorrect. Germany tried to do this in 2006 and the EU Commission didn't allow it. EU law doesn't allow one to discriminate rates of personal (not corporate) taxes between people based on anything other than income.

The other comment is correct, 2014 is in Brazil, UK never applied. It has applied alongside the US, Australia and Russia (and some others) for both 2018 and 2022.

If these tournaments are not worth it why do so many countries want to host it? Why do Australia still do it after so many major sporting events in the last few years (Olympics, Commonwealth Games, Rugby World Cup, F1 Grand Prix, etc)? Is there something they have not worked out? Yes, it costs lots of money, but it has a long term benefit.

The Gautrain was originally planned and promised for the 2006 bid. Part of what made the bid impressive was the commitment to build the Gautrain and various other things independent on the outcome of the bid.
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This World Cup is bad for South Africa for many reasons. Underneath all the hype hides the greed and the manipulation of facts and statistics.

Even if it all goes well, and that's a huge 'if', it's unlikely that any more than a small fraction of the money coming into the country will filter through to benefit the most needy. Most of it will benefit the large hotel chains, tour operators, and the airlines. The only permanent benefit may be an improvement of the road infrastructure in and around the venues, and we've paid for that with the massive inconvenience and disruption to traffic flows over the last couple of years. I'm excluding the Gautrain, as someone else has already pointed out, it wasn't foreseen as part of the World Cup planning, and its pricing places it way out of reach of the masses, so it will do nothing to relieve traffic congestion.

Security, health, and education for the poor are not going to see great benefits, and it is doubtful whether there will be any real improvement in mass transportation.

The greed and so called 'price gouging' practised by the hotel chains, airlines, and private individuals looking to cash in on the opportunity have already left a bad taste. I hope, and expect, that many of them will regret this as they will be left with unsold capacity which they will at the last minute have to dump and take a loss. Good. I think we'll see a lot of those extra flights mentioned by previous posters suddenly disappearing from the schedules.

If there is no serious crime affecting visitors, it may well improve the image of South Africa. I only hope that the measures which are supposedly being put in place will be effective, but I am not too confident that this will be so. This feeling is shared by many outsiders to whom I've spoken, who quite simply feel that SA is 'too dangerous' for them to go to. Whilst I don't agree, I do sympathise.

As someone with absolutely no interest whatsoever in football, in fact I have a profound dislike for the culture surrounding it, I will be taking a great interest in how this saga unfolds. I hope my pessimism is proved wrong.
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5:07pm UK, Tuesday February 23, 2010
Emma Hurd, Africa correspondent
Fifa has admitted that South Africa is not yet ready to host the 2010 World Cup, with just over three months to go before kick off.

World Cup 2010: South Africa Is Not Yet Ready Fifa Admits | World News | Sky News

But it will all come right in the end with the right muti.
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One might expect that three months before the event the country would not be ready to host it. "If the question is: 'Could we host the World Cup tomorrow morning?' the answer is no," Mr Valke said. That would be an unreasonable expectation.

The pertinent question is 'will they be able to host it when it happens?' My guess is yes, but with some logistical problems which will be worked around, and on the surface all will appear to be more or less as planned. South Africa and its citizens have always been good at covering things up and 'making a plan', and this will be no different.

I still think it's bad news though and for a number of reasons I will be staying well away from SA between the end of May and the end of July.
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What nothing about emergency service personnel refusing to attend to people without armed guards because they live in fear of being raped. This happened west of johannesburg last night.

What does FIFA who is the current government of South Africa say to this
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The Gautrain was originally planned and promised for the 2006 bid. Part of what made the bid impressive was the commitment to build the Gautrain and various other things independent on the outcome of the bid.
So they're even more behind schedule than we thought?
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Crime an issue???????

A friend of mine was stabbed whilst in Cape Town a couple of days ago and left for dead..............for his mobile phone. Emergency services reached him just in time before he bled to death.

Yes, I can see the World Cup is going to be a great success.

At least the emergency services are good.
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This is the way many people see South Africa, and with a 'leader' like Zuma, supporting a racist idiot like Julius Malema, it's easy to see why we are the laughing stock of the world.

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Firstly, the Gautrain was never promised to be ready for the World Cup. That was a myth put out by the press. The government said they hoped it would be ready and the contracts awarded to Bombela never included it being ready. There was a R150 million bonus option for parts of it to be operational which the Gauteng government declined to take.

I think we all need some good news on SA.

Cape Town under the DA:

Economic growth and employment

As mayor, Zille has presided over rapid growth and development in the City of Cape Town. Gross geographic product (GGP) increased by over 12% - from R116.6 billion in 2005 under the ANC, to R130.77 billion in 2007 - two years into her tenure. During this time unemployment also declined from 20.7% to 17.9%.[24]
Under Zille, the city's debt was also cut by nearly R1 billion, which allowed capital for service delivery to be increased by 15%.[24]
[edit] Crime and urban renewal

Crime has declined by 90% in the city's CBD over a period of five years, thanks to ongoing collaboration between the DA-led municipality, the police service, metro police, local businesses and the Cape Town Partnership. As a consequence, 3 500 residents have moved back into inner city departments, and there has been a 9.5% growth in fixed investment in Cape Town
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As I understand a limited service between ORT and Sandton will be operational by the 6th of June
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